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The vaccine is safe? Yes, they all say so...

Posted by $ AJAshinoff 4 weeks ago to Government
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So now Trump, Paul, biden, harris are all one voice with the MSM, the vaccine must be safe.
Seriously, what makes any one of their assurances more trustworthy than my own judgement? Suddenly we are to forget that politicians lie habitually and repeatedly without shame? That the biggest constitutional violations are occurring daily after a monumentally and verifiably fraudulent election. We are to forget the MSM is nothing more than deep state propaganda? That every branch of our government is complicit in this usurpation?

Et tu trump?paul? Sadly, but not entirely unexpectedly, yes.

If it's so damn safe why the full court press from every angle???


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  • Posted by $ BobCat 3 weeks, 6 days ago
    Is it safe? Well to paraphrase the immortal words of another imbecile who sat in the office with a cigar and an intern in a blue dress ... That all depends on on your definition of safe ....

    The public is being played. Once again as usual...
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    • Posted by lrshultis 3 weeks, 5 days ago
      Safe has always been that not more than a certain number of bad reactions occur with the use or application of some substance . The GRAS (generally recognized as safe for food additives) works well, though as with any substance, there will be some bad affects and possibly some deaths for those relatively few for whom their bodies react adversely.
      The vaccines will be determined as safe enough when tens millions of people are vaccinated to find out whether the cost benefit ratio is low enough. They will be withdrawn when the cost benefit ratio gets too high. Those who have sensitivities to some substance should not keep everyone else getting whatever the benefits there are for most all people.
      The main thing is that no one, even the young be forced to use the vaccine. Of course, parents believe it necessary to force their young to eat, sleep, believe with the idea that it is good for the child. It is not force if a requirement for some private employment or school attendance, don't like it, go elsewhere.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 4 weeks ago
    biden/harris and the like?...probably in collusion with drug addict co's, the who? and the ununited nation parasites.

    Trump/Paul...to trusting?, have they vetted the claims out...probably not their priority.
    Many people blindly believe what they are told...me?...I think all scientist/biologist in the lamestream are full of shit!
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  • Posted by Lucky 4 weeks ago
    Yes. Must admit, overall Trump -scored well, there were a few bad policies, this was one.
    He had bad advice, he would have been aware of Fauci from quite early, Trump knew Fauci had Deepstate support, well he is in it.
    As for getting the vaccine, it was a good pragmatic decision. We should be aware that pragmatism is a two-edged sword. As a program it is so successful that Joe is claiming credit.

    (Note- correct designation is-: Pr. =pretender)

    The vax, well I am more pro than con vaxes in general, this one just has not had sufficient testing to go public. It could turn out to be safe, or not.
    The current reaction/death figures are bad if not a disaster. We are not getting convincing explanations- so cause for skepticism and for holding off.
    The scare of chip implants is false, so far. If there is a plan, this is how to slide it in under the guise of something the public want, protection against the pandemic, a pandemic with a touch of reality and a big shove of propaganda from msm.
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    • Posted by freedomforall 4 weeks ago
      I haven't had a vaccine since childhood and I have no intention of taking one for anything (given all current diseases and risks.)
      New vaccines in the past 40 years have been a detriment to health, imo. They are only good for Pharma profits, government power, and a very small segment of the population who is at greater risk.
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      • Posted by $ 4 weeks ago
        When I went through boot camp I was hit with a cocktail of pneumatic shots, one in each arm, step forward, repeat the process. At the end of boot camp, since many of us were reporting to ships we received one last shot just before graduation liberty. That shot was yellow fever. My first day out of boot, a time when I should have been focused on drinking, I was sick with yellow fever. Nasty stuff. So, I split my time drinking.
        I figure if my immune system could handle all that crap in '86 and yellow fever on top of it all, and I was able to visit several nations without ever once becoming ill (unwillingly I have to add), I haven't a single ounce of fear from this flu variant.
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        • Posted by bobsprinkle 3 weeks, 6 days ago
          I recall 1965 Fort Gordon, Ga......we were all in line for the pneumatic shot guns. We were told to "shuffle along" while being "shot". Guess I was a bit too fast. My shuffle while being shot caused a 3 inch gash across my shoulder. Then....I was yelled at for going too fast. Ahhh the good old days.
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    • Posted by $ gharkness 3 weeks, 6 days ago
      Read something interesting I hadn't thought of this morning. If the national emergency/pandemic is called off, the vax will immediately become unavailable to everyone. Because it only has emergency authorization. Emergency goes away, vax does too.

      Unless they can get it authorized on its own, of which I am skeptical.

      So, settle in for a loooooong emergency.
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  • Posted by term2 3 weeks, 6 days ago
    I dont believe ANYTHING politicians say at this point. They dont open their mouths except to maneuver me into doing what they want.

    My doc told me that whatever the side effects or dangers of this vaccine have been shown to be, the dangers are far lower than catching coronavirus somehow, at least at my ripe age of 75. I had to agree, given so many people have been vaccinated and the side effects at least so far are indeed minor.

    I dont care what fauci spouts one way or the other.
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  • Posted by nsnelson 3 weeks, 6 days ago
    The SCOTUS has ruled that vaccines are “unavoidably unsafe.” What to do when experts disagree? Study and go with your best understanding. What to do when politicians disagree? Even less.

    This quote, one of my favs, has been coming up again and again:

    Quentin Daniels to Dagny Taggart: “You know, Dr. Stadler once said that the first word of ‘Free, scientific inquiry’ was redundant. He seems to have forgotten it. Well, I’ll just say that ‘Governmental scientific inquiry’ is a contradiction in terms.” (Atlas Shrugged, P2C2)
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  • Posted by Lucky 3 weeks, 6 days ago
    I think this is correct, no link yet-
    If you want to go ahead, before you get the vax-- check if applicable to you-

    There have been "too many side effects " / deaths after vax..

    .. blood clots forming in patients with low blood-platelet counts.
    cerebral venous sinus thrombosis, ( CVST)

    treated with blood thinning medication and immunoglobulin, which targets the antibody that causes the problem....

    the vax causes a rare autoimmune reaction that triggers antibodies, which then interact with the platelets..

    Condition met by women age 20 to 60 more than men.
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  • Posted by VetteGuy 4 weeks ago
    You can't watch TV too long these days without seeing an ad to join a class action lawsuit against some drug for unforeseen long-term side effects. Why should I expect these to be different? Actually, since these vaccines are an entirely new 'class' of drug, I fully expect to see MORE unexpected side effects in a year or three.

    If I was high-risk, I would take the vaccine ASAP. However, I don't have any of the typical risk factors (heart disease, diabetes, etc) so I am taking a wait and see approach.
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    • Posted by $ Abaco 4 weeks ago
      You can't sue for damages for any vaccine. A vaccine act in 1986 and The Patriot Act both made sure of that.
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      • Posted by VetteGuy 4 weeks ago
        That raises a couple of questions:
        1. I wonder how many vaccine makers WOULD Be getting sued (thru ads on TV, etc) if they could be?

        2. There was some discussion about whether these new mRNA drugs met the criteria to be a 'vaccine' and apparently was decided that they are. Is this strictly so the makers can't be sued?
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        • Posted by freedomforall 4 weeks ago
          Ninety-nine percent of current vaccines would not exist if pharma was held accountable for side effects. It's not profitable to take responsibility for their own mistakes. Instead of government giving them a shield, let them get consent and release from lawsuit from every 'patient' who is desperate enough to take experimental drugs. The only reasons for a shield from government is (1) to enhance Pharma profits, and (2) so government can force people to be test subjects in experimental drug trials - which also means bigger profits for Pharma and more campaign contributions and 6-figure speaking fees for politicians.
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        • Posted by $ Abaco 3 weeks, 5 days ago
          Yes. This is why some other medications recently took this path (non-vaccine being classified as a vaccine). My dad, who suffered from MG, once told me about a drug that he was thinking about taking for MG. It was called a vaccine but it wasn't - for this very reason. My dad, ultimately, died due to his love of vaccines. When he caught the COVID he was in no shape to fight it. Killed him pretty easily. His immune system was swiss cheese after years of repeated vaccines...
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    • Posted by term2 3 weeks, 6 days ago
      I waited, and just was somewhat careful for the last year. I stayed away from nightclubs, day clubs, rock concerts, vegas shows, etc. Other than that, I wore the damn masks when ordered to (but not if they didnt enforce it as I thought they were pretty much useless), and I tried to stay healthy. I finally took the vaccine after waiting for a lot of people to have been guinea pigs first, and had a few side effects, but nothing big. If it isnt effective, that will be the way it goes I suppose.
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      • Posted by $ Abaco 3 weeks, 5 days ago
        I hope it works out well. I can relate. I do wear my N95 mask sometimes when needed - because it works. The other masks do not. I colleague of mine caught COVID in a construction site visit where all those surgical masks were being warn.
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        • Posted by term2 3 weeks, 5 days ago
          I think it depends on the severity and length of the exposure and your immune system strength at the time and in a short time thereafter.

          I hope the vaccine I just finished taking adds to my immune system. I am not going to test it by doing something stupid of course.
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          • Posted by $ Abaco 3 weeks, 5 days ago
            You are correct about the exposure and susceptibility. This has been a mainstay of my work for years and you are correct. I got in a brief, heated debate the other day with a State health specialist because I pointed out that people with strong symptoms are more dangerous to others. They didn't like that because of the media/government approach of scaring people ("Oh, people with no symptoms are dangerous!")
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  • Posted by $ 3 weeks, 6 days ago
    My post was prompted by this video. Without any commentary from the host, who I appreciate for the most part, he presented this video montage. I would have thought he was being cynical or sarcastic, but without commentary the only conclusion is that he, like Rand Paul has done a 180 about this 'vaccine.' Needless to say, no matter what others tell me (and there are many) I will not take this stuff into my system u less I determine its needed, and then maybe not. I don't trust the lot. https://www.bitchute.com/video/8oAq3B...
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  • Posted by NealS 3 weeks, 6 days ago
    I think it's part of Trump's tactics telling us it's safe, to agree with and take the MSM's minds off of him, so he can focus on the more important things. I know he hasn't gone away, but he wants them to think so. Paul, on the other hand is primarily still just a politician. It's the messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccines that remain mostly in question, and recently I heard someone on the left actually admit that they actually do alter one's DNA. The Janssen (J&J) Vaccine operates like past vaccines and do not alter one's DNA as I understand it now.

    Being 79 next month, with COPD, now requiring oxygen when exerting myself, like walking to the mailbox, my Pulmonologist kind of twisted my arm a little to get me to accept some protection. She claimed I might not survive even from a common flu without some protection therefore I should get the shot. Between her and I, I elected to get the Janssen single dose because of my reluctance to the experimental conflicts of the mRNA. I still believe the "pandemic virus" scare was perpetrated by the left, perhaps even by a Bill Gates type, to put the fear into people around the world. I know they will do anything, and I repeat, anything, to make Trump look bad. The virus may have been no worse effect than some previous flu strains. The total death numbers now seem to indicate that my thoughts on this might be right. And to protect my political future I will say, "Just my thoughts, I could be wrong", but just admitting that destroys it anyway.
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    • Posted by $ Abaco 3 weeks, 5 days ago
      Sure. The J&J offers a known risk with the style it is. The mRNA vaccines are an unknown because they use a different approach, affecting the RNA of the cells, and not being subjected to animal trials nor evaluation of long-term effects. Good luck. The mRNA do not use adjuvants and, frankly, I think adjuvants when used without caution may be extremely harmful. You're thinking it through - which is nice.
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    • Posted by $ Dobrien 3 weeks, 6 days ago
      What is the difference between how the Johnson & Johnson vaccine works and how the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines work?
      The ultimate difference is the way the instructions are delivered. The Moderna and Pfizer vaccines use mRNA technology, and the Johnson & Johnson vaccine uses the more traditional virus-based technology.
      mRNA is essentially a little piece of code that the vaccine delivers to your cells. The code serves as an instruction manual for your immune system, teaching it to recognize the virus that causes COVID-19 and attack it, should it encounter the real thing.

      Instead of using mRNA, the Johnson & Johnson vaccine uses a disabled adenovirus to deliver the instructions. This adenovirus is in no way related to the coronavirus. It is a completely different virus. Although it can deliver the instructions on how to defeat the coronavirus, it can’t replicate in your body and will not give you a viral infection.

      Are there benefits to the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, based on its technology?
      Absolutely. The huge advantage to the Johnson & Johnson vaccine is that it is a single shot. The mRNA vaccine requires two.

      As well, the Johnson & Johnson vaccine can be kept at essentially refrigerator temperatures for months, and it’s stable. The mRNA vaccines aren’t as stable and require super cold storage temperatures. Once they’re out of cold storage, you only have a small window of time to administer them.

      The Johnson & Johnson vaccine is much more like a regular vaccine and is much easier to distribute and maintain. That has huge implications for rural areas of the country. Those areas might not have the ability to keep the mRNA vaccines at super cold temperatures.
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  • Posted by $ Stormi 3 weeks, 5 days ago
    They are safe, if you also believe the bat did it and the release was accidental! We just had a freind, who like Trump got and recovered from covid last winter. Felt great by a few weeks ago, so took the vaccine, and set out for the Fla. trip they missed. He is now hospitalized with blood clots - one of those vaccine side effects! One mfg. website said people would die follwoing the vaccine in teh months to come, but it is not the vaccine! No, it is what the mRNA deos to our immune system that kill us, if you want to mince words. Your immune system is lessened and overridden by this mRNA covid19 specific injections, and it covers nothing else. Your immune system is overpowered by the vaccine, and is too weak to stop the organs from being destroyed in the battle. Your immune system will never be as strong nor the same once mRNA injection is there, to be followed by other virus specific mRNA shots, until no normal immunity exists. No Tcell immunity, There is no way to undo the vaccine, it is part of you, and that is not really good. Thus, the prediction that mllions, maybe billions will die in the coming year. Blod clots, brain bleeding, exposure to other new strains not covered. Do you really think what Nancy, or Commie Harris took is what you re getting? Who knows what they gave Rand Paul, and I would bet Trump got what you get. We were are are duped!
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  • Posted by $ 3 weeks, 5 days ago
    I have to insert this wisdom here. My mother said this 10,000 times when I was growning up. Please use it as it applies, including to these vaccine assurances. Please bear in mind I grew up in NY.

    "Just because all of your friends decided to jump off the Verrazzano Bridge, does that mean you have to?"
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  • Posted by $ Dobrien 3 weeks, 6 days ago
    I have heard Trump speak of the operation Warp speed and the success of it fast track. I have listened closely to him and have never heard him speak of it’s safety. I have heard him say “some people will want it and some don’t “ “ they are free to choose”
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  • Posted by dmshuler 3 weeks, 6 days ago
    I have to disagree just a tad on including Rand Paul in that list of advocates for the vaccine. He's my Senator -- the only intellectual Constitutionalist of the two from Kentucky. He's not PUSHING the vaccine. He is simply advocating for people making an educated choice as to whether or not they should get it. I think that's different from actually endorsing it.

    If it wasn't for Senator Paul and my Congressman, Thomas Massie, I would probably not EVER admit that I'm a Kentuckian! ;-)
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    • Posted by NealS 3 weeks, 5 days ago
      Oh so now you want the States to fight between themselves, just another division (just kidding, but to be sure I'd even trade you my two Senators for yours whoever they may be). I think Kentucky is a beautiful State.
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 3 weeks, 6 days ago
    The local CVS Pharmacy where I get my prescription medications from are booked for the next 2 months. When I called the their service line I was told to keep checking every week on-line. Right now it seems a waste of time. I hope to find out through the local FB apps as Next Door and the one for my geographical area if anyone posts about any complications from the vaccine.
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  • Posted by 73SHARK 3 weeks, 6 days ago
    If you still wind up getting the China virus, find a doc that will give you hydroxychloroquine or Ivermectin early on. Also vitamin C, D, and zinc are good immune-boosters.
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    Posted by Misanthropic-Shrugger 3 weeks, 6 days ago
    Many of the people that post here sound like the tin foil hat brigade. If you don't want to take the vaccine, then don't. Stop crowing about it online.

    Most of my family and friends have had the jab, with no ill effects. Please don't reply about "possible long-term effects." Yeah, nobody has that data.... of course, they didn't have that data for the polio vaccine and tens of thousands of people contracted polio from the vaccine; and they didn't stop immunizing people, thank God.
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    • Posted by term2 3 weeks, 6 days ago
      I had about 36 hours of uncomfortable aches and joint pains after the second dose, but I am sure it was a LOT less than I would have experienced if I had gotten covid
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