Next in the Vaccine Controversy

Posted by $ Abaco 6 months, 2 weeks ago to Science
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So, now I think it looks like this coronavirus is doing what coronaviruses have always done - morphed so fast you can't develop a vaccine against them that has any effectiveness longer than a month or so. Still, we hear from the government officials, "Gotta get it in all the arms"...etc. By about May or June when it's clear that this vaccine isn't stopping the pandemic (by the way, it wasn't tested to stop the pandemic - success was achieved in trials only if symptoms seemed lessened and the CEO of Pfizer says there no evidence this will stop the spread) you will be blamed if you haven't had the vaccine. This is how the vaccine controversies have gone for the past decade or so. People get sick, especially those who have been vaccinated, then we blame those who weren't vaccinated even if they were 1000 miles away from the vaccinated person who got sick (ala measles in Disneyland - by the way, if you test for titers you'll find that the measles vaccine only really results in antibodies in about 2/3 of those who get it (but, this is per a study of a doctor I know who shall remain nameless)). So, when told this is your fault look the person in the eye and ask, "If the vaccine is safe and effective how is this my fault?" and watch their eyes roll around in their head..."Uh....herd immunity...and Brawndo has electrolytes!". A nurse near me recently got the vaccine (work mandated she get it) and now she's in the hospital with pneumonia. But, don't worry...I'm sure she's just an anti-vaxxer activist.

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  • Posted by mcsandberg 6 months, 2 weeks ago
    The tests produce incredible numbers of false positives:

    "Remember that positive predictive value (PPV) varies with disease prevalence when interpreting results from diagnostic tests. PPV is the percent of positive test results that are true positives. As disease prevalence decreases, the percent of test results that are false positives increase.

    • For example, a test with 98% specificity would have a PPV of just over 80% in a population with 10% prevalence, meaning 20 out of 100 positive results would be false positives.

    • The same test would only have a PPV of approximately 30% in a population with 1% prevalence, meaning 70 out of 100 positive results would be false positives. This means that, in a population with 1% prevalence, only 30% of individuals with positive test results actually have the disease.

    •At 0.1% prevalence, the PPV would only be 4%, meaning that 96 out of 100 positive results would be false positives.

    • Health care providers should take the local prevalence into consideration when interpreting diagnostic test results.[ https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/l... ]"

    So, there is no 2nd wave or anything. We should never have shut down in the first place.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 6 months, 2 weeks ago
    I still wonder about the rumor that when vaccinated, they are tagging you, you can now be traced. Have you noticed the "Tag" on the syringes?...have never seen that before...coded doses???
    Unlikely? Agreed, but I just can't get that out of my head...another one is seeing who are the sheep and who are not, is a plausible hypothesis, I think.

    PS, I didn't get vaccinated, have a medical exemption. But what's interesting is that the Hospice Hospital that I work in was in the thick of this plandemic and Covid NEVER ENTERED THE BUILDING...and we had, perhaps, a million visitors from many states plus staff and patients over the past year...
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    • Posted by $ splumb 6 months, 2 weeks ago
      putting my tin foil hat on for a minute
      1. Bill Gates has long championed lowering the world's population by a large percentage.
      2. Bill Gates owns the company with tagged vaccines.
      3. Bill Gates owns more than half of the farms in the US.

      If you're sufficiently read up on your Bible, this might sound somewhat familiar.

      "And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
      And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name." - Revelation 13:16-17
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    • Posted by 25n56il4 6 months, 2 weeks ago
      Well actually most vaccines have a lot number and all that crap is recorded on your record so they can trace your vaccine. Not an unsual thing there would be a 'tag'.
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  • Posted by $ Stormi 6 months, 2 weeks ago
    Also, remember when we had to use sanitizer at work during the H1N1, until docs said stop, it is causing the virus to morph? I don't own a bottle, but by being spray coming into places, I had to replace my keyfob because the hard buttons turned to gel! I only wear a mask walking into a restaurant, no other time. I have been fine, also my gusbnad. Mask are germ incubators, or as one doc on FOX put it, like making a person breathe into a germ filled petrie dish. This virus meanh to thin the herd, something UN Agenda called for for decades. Gates said on the subject, vaccines are the way to go, on a video! Well, that route is just about to come to fruition, as one vaccine maker said epeople will die over the next few months after teh vaccine, but it is not the vaccine. No, it is the nRNA vaccine becoming part of the body, and next morphed virus will set a firestorm antibody reaction against whole body. Beware.
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  • Posted by Lucky 6 months, 2 weeks ago
    Disclosure- I think vaccination is good, I have them, but on this one, especially the mRNA type, I have deep reservations. Posted on here earlier:

    US. 55 deaths to Jan 2021. Both Moderna and the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccines.
    Also 96 life-threatening events following COVID-19 vaccinations, as well as 24 permanent disabilities, 225 hospitalizations, and 1,388 emergency room visits.
    US. Severe allergic reactions to vaccines running at
    11.1 per million vaccinations,
    compare 1.3 per million for flu shots.
    Israel. 13 cases of facial paralysis after Pfizer vaccination.
    Norway. 29 deaths. Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine.

    -- https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021...
    -- https://www.rt.com/news/512736-israel...
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  • Posted by NealS 6 months, 2 weeks ago
    Again, Doctor Simone Gold, if you haven't seen it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFntH...
    I'm 78, serious COPD, just started oxygen for when I exert myself or take a walk more than just to the kitchen or bathroom, two places I go to often anyway. This video has helped me decide that I'm not going to take the experimental vaccine, and it goes along more with what I've read away from other than the MSM and their lying publications. I'm going to get more info on Hydroxychloroquine, and at this point I don't care if she is labeled a quack or not. I trust her more than anyone else. And I believe it was Hydroxychloroquine that they gave us for preventing us getting Malaria in Vietnam, probably still given to troops going to foreign places. That's just my two cents worth, period, so there, take it or leave it. (Damn, you might think I just became a democrat, I didn't).
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    • Posted by Lucky 6 months, 2 weeks ago
      That Dr Gold is ok by me.
      Late news-
      US NIH reverses course, and makes Ivermectin an option for Chinavirus treatment.
      (Dec 2020)
      US AMA approves use of HCQ (Oct 2020) not sure about dates.

      In your situation, see if you can get either or both. Take on first sign of symptoms. The side effects and risks of HCQ are very low, as blarman says. Ivermectin, not only does it work, even on late stage, the effective dosage is low (You could take so much you would choke on it before having medical side effects?). Discuss with your doc if reliable but read yourself, do not use ggl.
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    • Posted by $ blarman 6 months, 2 weeks ago
      On the contrary, hydroxychloroquine was viciously attached precisely because it worked - and was cheap. Look at the infection rates in Africa. They have third world medical facilities yet their infection rates are a fraction of ours. Why? Because down there everyone takes HCQ to ward of malaria - which is still epidemic down there because the benevolent dictators in the UN decided that they can't use DDT to kill off mosquitoes.

      Have a really good friend who has lupis and he has been on HCQ for seven years. No side effects. In fact when I asked him about the media reports he just laughed and said that's because they're idiots. My doctor has been proscribing this for decades and hasn't had a single patient with negative side effects.
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  • Posted by 25n56il4 6 months, 2 weeks ago
    Next they will want all who have had the virus to line up and donate blood so they can perfect the vaccine. This shouldn't be a problem except some may not know they've had the puny virus.
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  • Posted by 25n56il4 6 months, 2 weeks ago
    If you take this vaccine, it doesn't prevent you from getting or sharing the virus. It supposedly gives you a lighter case of the virus. Am I correct in that thinking? So, then where does one stand with the newly morphed strain? If you've had the virus, do you take the vaccine?
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    • Posted by 25n56il4 6 months, 2 weeks ago
      Reportedly the testing isn't trustworthy. My doctor thinks I had the virus but he isn't instructing me to get a test. What I had wasn't very interesting. Loss of appetite, stomach disress, temp 2 days, some achy feeling. All over in 7 days. Appetite returned.
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      • Posted by NealS 6 months, 2 weeks ago
        I experienced the same last February, and had half a dozen other coffee group members do the same, some before, some after, none tested. Two of those came down with verified Covis-19 sometime in August or September, one hospital a few days, the other home care, no big deal.
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        • Posted by 25n56il4 6 months, 1 week ago
          Well, if you test positive you are instructed to notify your insurance company. Then you are recorded as having tested positive. But the tests are unreliable. Duh!
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    • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 6 months, 1 week ago
      A vaccine does not prevent anything. It gives your immune system a chance to train without facing "live fire". What happens after that depends upon how well your immune system operates, how well it was trained and just how many targets attack.

      You can still lose the battle, you just have a better chance.

      In the end, we need to achieve herd immunity with a large percentage of the population (opinions vary as to how large) vaccinated, or infected and recovered, to cut down on the source. Every sick person becomes a massive viral creation engine until their immune system wins.
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 6 months, 1 week ago
    I found out from my RN wife that you must be off any arthritis medication including anti-inflammatories at least a week prior and two to three weeks after the vaccine. These medications destroy the effectiveness of the vaccine. This also includes any supplements in that category most notably Turmeric. So, people like myself will be in a lot of pain for a month. None of the vaccine producers has issued a notice publicly. I wonder why?
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