How Long until Directive 10-289?

Posted by $ Markus_Katabri 1 year, 6 months ago to Economics
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Just that simple. How long do the Gulchers think it will be? Have we got 10 years? 5 Years? I suspect our Deficit spending has surpassed our GDP. It’s only a matter of time now. We cannot tax our way out. Nor can we grow our way out. The only option if they won’t cut spending is for Money Printer goes Brrrrrrrrrrr. And the only way that works without hyperinflation is wage and price freezes. It’s not like they haven’t tried it before.

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  • Posted by SaltyDog54 1 year, 6 months ago
    I was raised a Roman Catholic, and in Catholic schools we were taught from an early age about the Seven Deadly Sins. They are as follows: Pride, Greed, Wrath, Envy, Lust, Gluttony and Sloth. Consider: each and every one of the above is an actual tenet of the current Democrat Party.

    Curious, wouldn’t you say?
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  • Posted by $ rainman0720 1 year, 6 months ago
    I suppose I am (if you'll pardon the pun) reading too much into this, but one particular aspect of Directive 10-289 has always bothered me.

    Oh, it's not the various details and requirements; it's the enforcement of the directive.

    How it would be enforced was never spelled out when Wesley, Mr. Thompson and the gang were discussing it.

    Suppose I only spent 90% this year of what I spent last year; what punitive action would the state take against me?

    If they jail me, then I'd be spending nothing. If they tried to fine me to collect that missing 10%, I could just clear out all my accounts before being "charged" and bury the money somewhere.

    What if I only spent 50% this year compared to last year? Now what? I probably wouldn't even have enough (that I haven't already buried) to make up that difference, so fining me wouldn't help. And again, if they jail me, I'm spending zero.

    And what if I simply said "I quit" but instead of vanishing, simply sat in my living room and waited for them to come arrest me?

    Maybe I'm overthinking this whole thing, but it's something that has bothered me since the first time I read AS.
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    • Posted by $ pixelate 1 year, 6 months ago
      I had a similar thought -- and I have read AS six times.
      In the book, many business owners and workers just closed up their shops, dropped their tools and walked off. There was no enforcement -- mainly because so many individuals just walked.
      I see muzzle mandates and ignore them. I await someone in authority to Do something, but nothing happens.

      Similar -- my spending went down as well. What if they toss me in jail for not following some edict? Now I am a cost center for the State.

      The Directive gives the State lots of latitude to exercise arbitrary control. So whereas you might be left alone in the middle of your living room, another individual could be physically removed from their living room (that person might be someone that is vocal in their political opposition and can now be silenced).

      The ratcheting actions in the financial sector concern me the most -- advances in the UBI and FedCoin.
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    • Posted by term2 1 year, 6 months ago
      Oh, just wait for the enforcement. It will be there soon enough. Look at what happened when that gym owner tried to stay open- the power of the state fell on him hard. Try to thwart IRS rules, and see what happens. Its jail time for that one.
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    • Posted by lrshultis 1 year, 6 months ago
      It is the matter of the "Sanctum of the Victim" where the victim does the enforcement for the government, just as now were Biden issues a directive ( executive order) and citizens police themselves for compliance to the order.
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  • Posted by $ Snezzy 1 year, 6 months ago
    It is a good idea to bear in mind that Rand was not writing prophecy, even though it may occasionally seem that she was prophetic. She wrote fiction integrated with philosophy. The mechanical details are not essential. There is no need to work out the details of a John Galt Atmospheric Electrical Motor. It's science fiction. The details of 10-289 are fiction. The philosophy, however, is solid, and is located firmly in the question, "How does one stop the motor of the world?"

    Did Rand advocate an actual strike? Did she think the Libertarians were on the right path? Did she suggest that we all emulate Galt's actions? Or did she instead advocate that we learn the message in her talk, "Philosophy, who needs it?"
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    • Posted by Owlsrayne 1 year, 6 months ago
      The atmospheric Electrical Motor isn't science fiction. There are experimenters/maker who are working on such devices. There is an experimental power station that is doing that: https://youtu.be/ENeDkGce5-4. Experimenters like that will eventually perfect the equipment to make Atmospheric Electricity and viable power supply.
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      • Posted by $ Snezzy 1 year, 6 months ago
        I see volts but not kilowatts, not yet. Bob Heinlein's water bed was sf too.

        It's not as far out as FTL, where we can ask, as Fermi and his buddies did, "If it's possible, it should already be in use, with LGM here, right now. But where are they?"
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  • Posted by $ pixelate 1 year, 6 months ago
    Helicopter Money:
    o The latest Covid relief bill is for $1.9 Trillion. This is just the start…
    o We will get an Infrastructure bill in the Summer – to kickstart the economy and Go Big, Go Green ™ I predict this – the price tag: $3.5 Trillion.
    o Example – real life – The Pacific NW is going to get $35B to … hold on to your hat … tear down four perfectly good hydroelectric dams on the Snake River … “For The Fish (Salmon)” -- $2B to tear down the dams, $10-15B for windmills and solar (total financial fraud both of them) Green Power to replace the Dams, plus $Billions for the Tribes, Ports, Cities, Farmers, and a thousand gravy train agencies and bureaucracies that will be necessary to spend all that money. It will be a $2 Billion a year welfare gravy train for 15+ years here in the Pacific NW. The Hanford Nuclear “Clean Up” since the end of the Cold War is a similar White collar welfare scheme. The spent nuclear waste could have been cleaned up 20 years ago – but there is no incentive to do so – better to keep spending $2B a year on Clean Up. They just dump helicopter money. Where does it all go? Into Jobs. Good paying Green Bureaucrat Jobs -- $100k-$200k a year jobs with benefits. All these folks continue to build nicer, bigger houses, which means more real estate development, infrastructure, buy $90k new trucks, play golf, take trips and spend the helicopter money. The 5 acre parcel in the country with water rights might go for $200k today. In two years, that sweet parcel will go for $500k … lots of cash sloshing around. And that One real example that I gave is just One Percent of the $3.5 Trillion. The entire nation will be swimming in obscenely massive pork barrel projects. Essentially, everyone will become a grifter. Did you get your UBI, er Covid checks last year? It’s like a key of coke. You get used to it. Gotta get some more.
    o Long story short – they are going to keep kicking the can down the road with vast swaths of Helicopter money.
    o I think that it can, and will, have the Appearance of working, for another few (3-5 years) – I mean, they are talking about several thousand new Windmills on 80k acres of land (that must be acquired) and acres of solar panels – that’s a Whole Lot of Doing that will be going on (The Illusion of Action) here in the Pacific Northwest – and the Bonus – We Saved the Salmon!
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    • Posted by 73SHARK 1 year, 6 months ago
      Just heard on the radio that this record cold snap in Texas froze the windmills and they are experiencing rolling blackouts now. To thaw the windmills out, they have helicopters spraying a petroleum-based deicer fluid on them. Sounds like California after they shut down some of their power plants and experienced rolling blackouts last summer.
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      • Posted by $ pixelate 1 year, 6 months ago
        Sure enough ... and there is serious talk underway here in the Pacific NW -- to remove four perfectly reliable hydro power dams ("For The Fish!")... and replace them with windmills. $34 Billion buys a whole lot of political pull.
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    • Posted by $ 1 year, 6 months ago
      Gawd that’s insane. Hydro is the single best most efficient power generation. It makes sense that they would want to destroy it. Not enough ways to profit off it. And that’s the ONLY reason. Fish be dammed. (I’m so Punny)
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  • Posted by term2 1 year, 6 months ago
    I say 5 years before the options people have to escape the stupid regulations are closed by 10-289. Look no further than the pandemic lockdowns we are still being subjected to...

    Eating indoors is forbidden, but outdoors is OK, until a new regulation comes along that makes outdoors forbidden also (after all sorts of money is spent building outdoors seating). People are losing any trust in government at this point, which is a good think in my opinion. Just because its a law doesnt make it moral and worthy of "obeying". This is the new age of passive resistance when it comes to government, and politicians are going to have to put a lot more effort into enforcement, as the days of blind obedience are OVER.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 1 year, 6 months ago
    Unless something is done - and very soon - this country will devolve into civil war. Reminds me of Dobrien's post of the woman from the former Yugoslavia and how this is precisely what the globalists want - ruin-NATION.
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    • Posted by $ Ben_C 1 year, 6 months ago
      I am rereading Stop the Coming Civil War by Michael Savage. It was copyrighted in 2014. Prophetic. This in conjunction with the Yugoslavia You-Tube paints a compelling argument that it is going to get really ugly very soon.
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    • Posted by term2 1 year, 6 months ago
      It is good that I wont live to see this happen, and I am happy I have no kids. The USA is mortally wounded by bad philosophy, and is effectively dead already
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  • Posted by CaptainKirk 1 year, 6 months ago
    For all those people who BELIEVE Higher Taxes are BETTER...

    I agree with them. Lets tax ALL INCOME 200%

    Then they say "That's insane!", and I reply "Why? I thought higher taxes are better!"
    Them "But nobody would work.. They would be PAYING to go to work!"

    Me: "So you do agree... At some point, taxes are a deterrent to do MORE business?"

    Them: "Yeah, but when you get to 100% that's crazy, above that is insane!"
    Me: "Now, WHERE do YOU draw the line? 99% Would you work?"
    Them: "We are talking about taxing the rich people!"
    Me: "Oh, so you want DIFFERENT rules for you, because YOU WOULD NOT PLAY ALONG. Do you THINK rich people will?
    Keeping in mind, that states that implemented REALLY high taxes on Millionaires, ended up with THEM LEAVING, and the state
    collecting LESS money in tax revenue!"
    Them: "Well, I'm not rich, I can't afford those taxes"
    Me: "NOBODY Should have to THINK about paying anything CLOSE to HALF of their income, yet here we are!"

    So, once the government gets involved... The corruption soon follows. And "Here We Are!"
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  • Posted by Katrina41 1 year, 6 months ago
    At this rate, the EO deluge will flood this country with total confusion. There will be crooked mid-term elections resulting in the complete leftist dominance of government. By the 2024 elections, the president, whoever she is, will declare a national emergency and lock us down. No elections, no travel, no broadcasting except for approved copy. Long before that, we will go Galt and try to survive the ensuing insanity that erupts. Where we are now is okay for in-place, but not for what's on the horizon.
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  • Posted by Joseph23006 1 year, 6 months ago
    Sooner than expected! Since Head of State, I mean President, Biden has been issuing execttive orders left and right with little regard to their impact, propped up by the inner circle allies of James Tagggart, oops again, Bezos, Zuckerberg, and Dorsey, not Jimmy or Tommy, who will really stop them. Republicans are suffering for degeneration of the spinal column, the Democrats are all in for one party socialist rule, the press as a voice of reason has lost its mind!
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  • Posted by malonejr 1 year, 6 months ago
    As soon as they can no longer fool their sheeple base with the flu scare or any other contemptible schemes they want to try.
    Oh yeah, I forgot about the base of 'philanthropic' billionaires who are still so anti Trump, they still think he is in office....
    Blue Alzheimers....
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