Trump vs. Biden debate: Isn't there another option?

Posted by $ jbrenner 1 year, 2 months ago to Politics
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When is John Galt going to interrupt this?

I voted for myself last time and will do so again.


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    Posted by teri-amborn 1 year, 2 months ago
    If Biden/Harris win, the administration that they create will be:
    Obama 2.0

    Remember: President Obama re-defined the middle class as "those who make $50,000.00 or more". ( !?)

    That means that ANYONE with disposable income will be "the rich" and need to be taxed to death to support non-productive and perhaps even worthless and destructive sub-cultures.

    I think that Trump's insight into Washington BEING the problem led to the prosperity of the last few years.

    I'm certain that Biden will find a creative way to punish and rescind that.

    I'll be voting for 4 more years of freedom from Washington.
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    Posted by $ Thoritsu 1 year, 2 months ago
    One can vote:
    1. For Trump
    2. For Biden
    3. For other
    Trump or Biden WILL win. If he wins, Biden WILL expand government and take away freedom. Trump speaks like trailer trash, but other than some excessive government spending (e.g. corona relief), he is reducing government.

    If you vote for #3 (e.g. yourself or Jorgansen) you may make a statement. If you live is CA, NY, NJ, VT, RI or MA, whatever, you vote doesn’t count anyway. If you live in TX or FL, you just supported Biden.

    If you want to support Biden, fine, your choice. Of course there is no reason for you to be here. If you don’t, then don’t throw away a vote in a swing state, or you are undermining what you say you believe in.
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    • Posted by freedomforall 1 year, 2 months ago
      👍
      If there was any other decent candidate running, I might be strongly looking at their platform and history at least. Last time I was sure that my protest vote would not have any effect on the electoral vote. This time that isn't as clear, so my vote may actually mean something. Unless something changes drastically between now and election day, my vote must be cast against Biden and against another leftist, black president.
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    • Posted by $ 1 year, 2 months ago
      While I agree with you, shrugging completely (instead of my current partial shrug) seems better by the day.
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      • Posted by $ Thoritsu 1 year, 2 months ago
        Understand completely, mon ami. Ad Astra, maybe Mars?
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        • Posted by $ 1 year, 2 months ago
          Ad Astra et Scientia is our university's motto.
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          • Posted by $ Thoritsu 1 year, 2 months ago
            Je sais, mon ami. OUR (yours and mine) University's motto. Remember, I was there before you, you young punk!
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            • Posted by $ 1 year, 2 months ago
              That is why I used "our" instead of "my". I do remember. At age 53, I no longer feel like a young punk, but it Is nice to be called young once in a while when you hang around with students who now don't even remember the 2nd space shuttle disaster.
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              • Posted by $ Thoritsu 1 year, 2 months ago
                I wondered about the "our".

                53? Ya look "punkier" in your pics. You are just my little brother's age (well in a couple of days), who used to be an adjunct in ME/Aero at FIT. Not sure he is still active on the books. I was standing right north of Crawford watching when the first shuttle blew up.
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                • Posted by freedomforall 1 year, 2 months ago
                  Punk, Thor? I was there in '70.
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                  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 1 year, 2 months ago
                    Really? I didn't know you were an alumnus too. Cool!!!
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                    • Posted by freedomforall 1 year, 2 months ago
                      I''m not an alumnus. FIT was lacking a lot in '70, imo.
                      My professors were unconcerned for this student's needs. Couldn't be bothered with teaching, imo.
                      I left for GaTech after only one quarter. It was a better place for learning at that time, for me, at least.
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                      • Posted by $ Thoritsu 1 year, 2 months ago
                        Well in 1970, I wasn't in FL. Moved back in 1972. Melbourne was a LOT smaller in 1972, and much smaller than now in the late 1980s.

                        FIT was a great engineering school when I was there. All professors had to have PE licenses too. They were practical. Pretty good teachers, and approachable.

                        An engineering student could just go over to the machine shop, and if you were cool, the machinist would teach you how to run any of the machines to make your projects. Dead sure lawyers have killed that by now. In my day we wrote CAD software. Now I bet they just use AutoCAD/SolidWorks, and 3D print little toys, the brats!
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                        • Posted by $ 1 year, 2 months ago
                          LOL! One of my students is putting together a 3D printer for me as I am responding to this. We do still have the hands-on training, but I make sure that the "little brats" make sure they take a quick online tutorial first so that they don't break something, including themselves!

                          Today I feel very much like Quentin Daniels, the Utah Institute of Technology professor who also was the janitor. I have to do a little of everything to keep the lights on myself.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 1 year, 2 months ago
    There is no other option. I watched the whole thing and found it to be a frustrating experience.
    Some of you can not vote if you want to. It's a free country. At least up until now.
    But should this Constitutional Republic be destroyed by Marxists like Kamala Harris, AOC and Bolshevik Bernie, who with many others skulk behind the Trojan Horse that is Joe Biden, it won't be me dino's fault.
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  • Posted by mccannon01 1 year, 2 months ago
    I think I may have made it through the first 10 minutes or so. By the time Biden whined out the Clorox fake news jab I'd had it. Trump missed a great opportunity to remind everyone the USA is a Constitutional Republic, meaning we have a Constitution as the primary law of the land, and the elections required of the people to decide who selects a Supreme Court justice as specified in the Constitution had already taken place in 2016 and 2018. There are no special elections for justices spelled out in the Constitution and no requirement to wait on a following election. I think they both need a Constitutional refresher course.

    I changed the channel and watched a youtube video on ancient architecture - much more interesting and less anger inciting.

    I will be catching up on highlights over the next few days. It will be interesting and frustrating watching the spin machines butcher an already bad piece of meat. Small doses at a time.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 1 year, 2 months ago
    Couldn't agree more, JB.
    Not presidential. Not a debate.
    Fake news?
    I hope neither of these two expect my vote.
    I especially enjoyed both candidates complete ignorance on climate change, and economics, and health care, and ....
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 1 year, 2 months ago
    Asking questions we already have answers to and have already vetted out is the dumbest way to conduct a debate...NONE of those questions were meaningful or necessary.
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  • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 1 year, 2 months ago
    I was very disappointed. I would like to have seen Trump do better at making a reasoned case. I also think he should have spoken to the camera as Biden did -- and politicians usually do.

    On the other hand, Trump has been the master of the media. I do have to say that from an overview perspective, Trump spent the night arguing with Biden and Wallace, looking at the person he was talking to, Biden argued with space, he couldn't look at Trump.. Trump came off as a bully, but who do you want as President a bully or someone who is bullied?

    I like to think rational argument wins out, but I've read that those who listened to the Kennedy-Nixon debates were convinced that Nixon won but those who watched thought Kennedy had won.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 1 year, 2 months ago
    Here is one other commentary on the effect of the moderator, and it is a damning commentary.
    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/...
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    • Posted by $ gharkness 1 year, 2 months ago
      Had to laugh at this: "a handmaiden of the Democrat party" when describing Chris Wallace. Fancy new name for "ho."

      That was the most despicable thing I've seen since Trump debated Hillary, and mind you: I watched max 3 minutes. Unfortunately when I got up this morning, there were endless replays...but at least watching it in the morning, I know it won't keep me up all night.
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    • Posted by Lnxjenn 1 year, 2 months ago
      Also: why do we have to use so-called "journalists" for moderators? why is that such a written rule. I dug the idea of having Joe Rogan do one! But that will never ever happen! I bet Joe could get some info out of both of those guys ;)
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      • Posted by freedomforall 1 year, 2 months ago
        Because the 2 major parties control the debates and they only choose statist urinalists as "moderators". They also don't allow 3rd party participation because they are outside the agenda of the 2 major parties: to increase the power of the major parties and their elite donors. They also haven't allowed any candidate they couldn't control to run (for ANY office) since Perot. Trump was an uncontrollable force in 2016 and they have been trying to toss him from office since election day Nov 2016. The system is rigged.
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  • Posted by dansail 1 year, 2 months ago
    Dr. Jo Jorgensen.

    Even if one feels compelled to write in their own name, at least let your voice be heard that Dr. Jorgensen is a viable candidate.

    I don't even watch the debates because she's not admitted to the floor.
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    • Posted by freedomforall 1 year, 2 months ago
      In 2016 I voted for the libertarian candidate despite his obvious flaws - one being his selection of a looter as VP running mate. I was one of Johnson's strongest supporters here in the Gulch.
      I do not consider Jorgensen as a viable candidate and I do not agree some parts of their platform.
      A vote for Jorgensen in any state that has a close race is a vote for Biden, imo. I strongly oppose Biden.
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    • Posted by $ gharkness 1 year, 2 months ago
      Won't vote for Jorgensen because she literally plagiarized in her campaign advertisement John Galt's statement "The world you desired can be won, it exists, it is real, it is possible, it’s yours." Fine words, but she needs to give credit. I called her on it at least twice - once on Twitter and once on Parler. No response. No change. No vote.
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      • Posted by $ Abaco 1 year, 2 months ago
        Interesting. I'm not familiar with her, nor have I followed the campaign at all. In my shrug I de-registered to vote. Next...registering my truck in another state... Anyway...Realize that if a politician opening credits Ayn Rand it's political suicide. The maniacs will latch on to that and be relentless. I agree she should have acknowledged credit. At the same time...maybe it was a dog whistle for Objectivists...
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  • Posted by chriwatkins 1 year, 2 months ago
    To jbrenner;
    First of all my apologies for spelling Rearden's name wrong. My arthritic fingers tend to defy me on occasion.
    I agree that Trump is spending a bit too much money lately but with Covid and all the political idiots in DC,what else can he do???
    I'll stop there for tonight but will look forward to continuing this conversation.
    Maybe you or other subscribers could perhaps offer me some advice as to how to more successfully navigate this site.
    chriwatkins
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  • Posted by chriwatkins 1 year, 2 months ago
    To jbrenner;
    I watched the debate the other night and can certainly agree that it was indeed a disappointing cacophony essentially designed to be a media event for Fox as well as CNN, MSNBC and all the others.
    After the event, instead of checking out Hannity's or any other's analysis, I fixed myself an 'adult beverage' and plugged in a DVD of Atlas Shrugged part three.
    To make this short, I would ask would you prefer a feisty businessman like a Hank Reardon or a spineless politician like Wesley Mouch to run this country???
    Granted, Trump is no John Galt let alone any kind of 'messiah' but consider the alternative!
    If you go into the booth and vote for yourself, you'll likely not get elected and effectively waste your vote. But ask yourself this...who is closer to the ideals you believe in???
    I await your response.
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    • Posted by $ 1 year, 2 months ago
      Trump does share some of Rearden's characteristics, but is way too willing to grow government. Even though I am 53, my family is wealthy enough to retire. If Biden gets elected, I may just do that.
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      • Posted by JuliBMe 1 year, 2 months ago
        Some say that Pres. Trump is actually juicing up the spending to bankrupt the Federal Reserve. I don't know if that is even plausible because I'm no expert on the Fed. It's a nice dream to think he might be ending the Fed, reestablishing a gold standard or re-imagining our entire economic system. AND, if even the SLIGHTEST possibly that he may be eliminating the IRS exists, it should ensure EVERY taxpayer in this country throw their vote to Trump.

        He does SEEM to be trying to bring the Constitution back into prominence with his hands-off approach regarding the states with the "pandemic" and riots. And with his trade/tariff policies.

        If anyone can accomplish ending the Fed and the IRS, if that's his aim, it is Donald J. Trump. Look at how he's completely discredited the Democrat Party AND their ideology in 3.5 years.

        California may even be in play with how much damage the left has done to themselves with Trump's help. So, NOT voting for Trump COULD be a very bad decision.

        But, then again, I'm a dreamer AND an optimist. I see greatness under that "bullying" exterior of a man who happened to have studied "The Art of War" by Sun Tzu and had Norman Vincent Peale as his childhood pastor. shrug

        Just my two cents. :-)
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  • Posted by $ blarman 1 year, 2 months ago
    What I'd like to see would be something adhering to LD debate rules like the ones used in high school debate. Here's a quick breakdown with more (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln...

    Opening Argument (For): 6 minutes
    Cross-Examination: 3 minutes
    Opening Argument/Rebuttal (Against): 7 minutes
    Cross-Examination: 3 minutes
    First Rebuttal (Against): 4 minutes
    First Rebuttal (For): 6 minutes
    Closing Rebuttal (Against): 3 minutes

    Add to that a few minutes of prep time and you spend roughly 45 minutes on a single topic. There are no interruptions permitted by the opposition and cross-examination is limited to short answers. This format also completely eliminates a "moderator" - which we've seen to be nothing more than Democratic shills. Do two of these in a debate session for your 90 minutes - maybe with a slight break in between.

    These would be some of the topics I would like to see debated in this fashion:

    1. The United States should adopt the Green New Deal (Biden affirmative)
    2. The United States should adopt the Paris Climate Accords (Biden affirmative)
    3. The United States should lower its national debt (Trump affirmative)
    4. The United States should enforce border crossing restrictions (Trump affirmative)
    5. The United States should allow abortion to the point of birth (Biden affirmative)
    6. The United States should increase taxes on the wealthy to pay for expanded social welfare programs (Biden affirmative)
    7. The United States has a duty towards its citizens to protect life and property and its leaders should condemn rioting. (Trump affirmative)
    8. The United States has a responsibility to spend foreign aid wisely and should audit families of Executive Office holders for conflicts of interest (Trump affirmative)
    9. Given China's persistent fabrications regarding COVID, the United States should seek international trade injunctions against China pursuant to the Infectious Diseases Treaty (Trump affirmative)
    10. The United States should provide a minimum basic income for its citizens (Biden affirmative)
    11. The United States should provide government-run healthcare for its citizens (Biden affirmative)
    12. The United States should provide free college educations for its citizens (Biden affirmative)
    13. The United States should eliminate minimum wage controls (Trump affirmative)
    14. The United States should stop collecting information on its citizens under the Patriot Act (Trump affirmative)
    15. The United States owes descendants of slavery reparations (Biden affirmative)
    16. The United States should eliminate government restrictions on energy production (Trump affirmative)

    I'm sure everyone here can come up with others. Schedule four debates (I'd love eight) and at each debate each participant gets to select one topic (for a total of two).
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 1 year, 2 months ago
    That debate was a dumpster fire. Trump had several opportunities to put a fork in Joe and didn't pounce. I don't know what he's thinking. If I didn't think he'd fire me within the first month I'd volunteer to help him strategize. I'd have to do it hiding my identity behind a big covid mask...so be it. I see my country turning to ash soon if this crap keeps up...
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  • Posted by NealS 1 year, 2 months ago
    That was the most disgusting display of two two year olds acting up in a Walmart I have ever seen. I'd like to be Trump's handler for the next debate, unless Trump just doesn't take direction from anyone. I will still vote for him, he seems to be doing a good job as president, just not capable of doing a good job in open debate.
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  • Posted by Katrina41 1 year, 2 months ago
    Watched the whole ridiculous proceeding. Farce is not the word I would choose. Blatant partisanship expressed by a non-moderator who never challenged one, but instead helped his candidate by jogging his memory and never once called him out on falsehoods. I understand Trump's frustration, but his reaction was anything but helpful to his cause. The non-moderator cut him off each and every time he had Biden on the rails. I am not a Republican, I am an independent, and if this is the choice we have, then I choose the devil we know...
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  • Posted by rbunce 1 year, 2 months ago
    Always, Jo Jorgensen this time for instance.
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    • Posted by Lnxjenn 1 year, 2 months ago
      I ALMOST voted for Libertarian last time around... After the farce of Gary Johnson, (SO not a libertarian!) I bypassed Libertarians this time around. I am all for a strong 3rd party. I was pretty good last time around for listening to all the candidates but I desparately don't want Joe Biden, the marxists and Globalists to run America!

      I'm sure Jo is wonderful... I'd proudly vote for Trump this time around. But Libertarians really need to up their game and actually put forth Libertarians and not LINOs... If you recall the libertarian debates for 2016, McAfee came across as an authoritarian; Johnson might as well been a democrat and I adored Peterson. (i can't remember the other one's name now!)

      Does anyone know who Don Blakenship is? That name is on my ballot! hah.
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      • Posted by $ Abaco 1 year, 2 months ago
        I'm feeling ya. Gary was a complete lunatic. It made me think that there must be some kind of conspiracy to keep the Libertarian Party as some sort of loony fringe organization by pushing forward the real nutjobs.

        Yet, when the average, somewhat intelligent person is told what Libertarianism is, it seems they almost always say, "Hey! That sounds like a great change for us. I'd vote for that!" Nope...instead they get a candidate who sticks his tongue out during interviews and screams at anybody who asks what should be done about illegal immigration. Dude must be smoking some fuzzy bud...
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  • Posted by $ Commander 1 year, 2 months ago
    I'll let you know a little later tomorrow...I've a few calls to make.
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    • Posted by 25n56il4 1 year, 2 months ago
      I don't know who won but it gave me a headache.
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      • Posted by $ Commander 1 year, 2 months ago
        I saw no winner from a public, general perspective; only two boys shouting across the fence.

        The President made point on:
        Over 100 judiciary positions left open by previous admin. "You" could have filled those. "I" will fill vacancies, it is a Right by Constitution, you would do same on Supreme Court.
        Tax breaks on corporate activity began an economic resurgence.
        "You" have sabotaged activity since beginning of "My" admin. (Media, Investigations, Impeachment)

        The Senator on....?
        If I had not finished Candace Owen's; Blackout yesterday morning the methodology I saw would not have been fresh.
        Implied "His" administration.
        We are here to help you, the oppressed and disadvantaged.
        The one percent "owe" you and we will take by force through taxation.

        I've just run a few highlights.

        Now, back to Blackout. The Senator exhibited the rote regurgitation of the administrations in all the large city strongholds. What the book illustrates is that methodology over history of at least 80 contemporary years. It is a methodology I have witnessed and been affected by for 30 years living in Minneapolis proper. The method is to create separatism through whatever rhetoric happens to be popular at the time and inflame it, with a corresponding narcissism of offer to correct all the inequities so that the affected can...feel...comfortable. "You don't have to take responsibility, We can do this for you." The suicide of altruism is alive and well unfortunately.
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      • Posted by $ 1 year, 2 months ago
        If you got a headache, as I did, then both of them lost.
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        • Posted by freedomforall 1 year, 2 months ago
          The only thing I gained from that display was to recognize weaknesses, which is in itself is valuable in decision making.

          For 4 years Trump has been under fire, pressured by domestic enemies: the press, the Dems, the GOP, the wealthy, the badly chosen leaders of the less fortunate. Trump has had no domestic allies to help face foreign interests many whose primary goal is to destroy what makes America a successful competitor. The actions of foreign competitors is understandable. Not so the actions of the Americans who have conspired against Trump and have ignored their sworn duties to America. imo, some have committed treason by their actions, e.g., the Clintons, Pelosi, James Comey, Robert Mueller. No other president has had a challenge of this kind.
          Biden's exasperation with pressure from Trump was telling. There is no doubt in my mind that Biden could not represent America under foreign or domestic pressure and is unfit to be president.

          President Trump's performance was as unsettling as Biden's. Faced with tough questions, Trump did not answer and changed the subject ... and he did so poorly. For a guy who is proud of his negotiating skills, Trump is a surprisingly bad liar.
          Do Americans want a good liar as president?
          Do Americans want someone who's talent is shouting instead of making rational arguments?
          I don't.
          I don't want someone with advancing dementia either.
          I don't want someone promising bigger government, higher taxes, and more programs that don't work either.
          The choice in 2020 is no better than in 2016.

          The best reason to vote for Trump is a hard to explain belief that as an outsider Trump opposes the growth of the deep state and can somehow defeat it.
          Biden as a career politician represents the growth of the state and destruction of individual liberty. Of that, I have no doubts.
          I have little doubt that Biden's presidency will be short and that his VP will take control. I have already seen what a leftist black president can do to destroy America. I don't want to see a repeat of that ever again.

          Americans deserve better than this. Both major parties are guilty of treason.
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          • Posted by Tavolino 1 year, 2 months ago
            Maybe this is a good place to repost Rand's letter from '72.

            Many wonder who Ayn Rand would vote for if she were alive, and maybe the conclusion of her letter from Vol. 1, No. 24, 8/28/72, will possibly shed some light. Pay particular attention to her last paragraph.

            To the great credit of the American people, the polls taken immediately after the Democratic Convention showed a significant drop in McGovern’s popularity and a significant rise in Nixon’s. At this writing, Nixon leads by the enormous figure of 26%.

            I am not an admirer of President Nixon, as my readers know. But I urge every able-minded voter, of any race, creed, color, age, sex, or political party, to vote for Nixon – as a matter of national emergency. This is no longer an issue of choosing the lesser of two commensurate evils. The choice is between a flawed candidate representing Western civilization – and the perfect candidate of its primordial enemies.

            If there were some campaign organization called “Anti-Nixonites for Nixon,” it would name my position.

            The worst thing said about Nixon is that he cannot be trusted, which is true: he cannot be trusted to save this country. But one thing is certain: McGovern can be trusted to destroy it.

            Ayn Rand
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            • Posted by mccannon01 1 year, 2 months ago
              Nice find, Tavolino! Thanks.
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              • Posted by Tavolino 1 year, 2 months ago
                Thank you. Rand had America as her beacon of hope to escape to. Where are we all going to go???? The crisis stage of this methodical Marxist/Fascist implementation happened very quickly and most will trade rights for normalization and a perceived sense of "security" however false the reality may be.
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          • Posted by mccannon01 1 year, 2 months ago
            I voted for Trump in 2016 because he was the least socialist of the candidates that had a chance in hell of actually winning.

            I will do the same in this election for mostly the same reason. However, I can add that Trump will stand up for America's national sovereignty at the borders. I can also add he will take less crap from foreign leaders, even those pretending to be our friends.

            Biden and his supporters may feel Trump was a bully at the debates (I'm already hearing that), but if Biden can't handle a slapping from Trump, then how will he handle it from foreign leaders? I suppose he could send them plane loads of cash and millions of American jobs just so they'd be nice to him at state dinners.
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            • Posted by freedomforall 1 year, 2 months ago
              Thanks for adding the point about borders, McC. I also agree on Biden's fragility. All the foreign "allies" will line up for Biden because he will do a great job for them - and betray the American people.
              I wish Trump had been more methodical and given facts to support how his policies benefit middle class Americans. His belligerence is not the strategy I would have chosen.
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          • Posted by GaryL 1 year, 2 months ago
            As much as I can agree with almost all that you said I sure wish you would have ended with a clear choice to stick with the devil we know rather than the fool who has lost twice before for obvious reasons. Joe Biden is No President and never will be so once again we must hold our nose and vote for the lesser of two evils. Better yet we MUST take control of the House and maintain control of the Senate if we ever hope to get anything done in the next 4 years. Beating down DJT will do nothing good for us at all.
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            • Posted by $ Thoritsu 1 year, 2 months ago
              Amen to that.

              We had that argument here before, and a wealth of "Objectivists" lined up to support berating Trump. However, these same clowns (I mean Objectivists) had no response to the alternative option, or the consequences of their actions. , just static.

              Apparently Tavalino found Ayn's own position on a virtually identical example. Perhaps the dogma-hero's will be silent this time!
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  • Posted by $ puzzlelady 1 year, 2 months ago
    There is a great other option: Dr. Jo Jorgensen, Libertarian. She has said Ayn Rand is her best source for philosophical values. Vote for the best candidate, don't use the weird rationalization that her votes will throw the election to the wrong other candidate. Vote for the one who deserves it most. Start getting to know her more: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDXsJ...
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  • Posted by $ Dobrien 1 year, 2 months ago
    When you are strong, look weak. Make sure Hunter Biden’s $3 1/2 million dollar check from the Moscow mayors wife is brought up. Round 1 a bunch of rope a dope coming soon.....Round 2 set him up like a bowling pin ..... Round 3 Knock him out.
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  • Posted by $ Radio_Randy 1 year, 2 months ago
    No...there's not another option, unless one wants to vote for the Socialist Party, the Green Party, The Worker's Party, or any of the dozen other choices that will be on the ballot.

    The first debate was an absolute circus...I won't argue that. It was a total waste of 90+ minutes of my viewing time. My only hope is that Trump's team can reign him in, in time for the next debate. Just as in his first election...he ended up looking like the bully that he is. Unless he can at least attempt to look a bit more "Presidential"...he isn't going to sway ANY opinions.

    Biden actually was coherent and appeared more mature in the debate...that's a BAD sign.
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    Posted by CircuitGuy 1 year, 2 months ago
    I'm afraid it's a symptom. I don't think there's a clear-cut list of causes, but I think a lot of it comes from a) too much federal gov't cost/intrusiveness, b) too much power in the executive branch, and c) loneliness.

    Loneliness sounds weird. I got the idea from Senator Sasse's book. He says cable TV and Internet make it easy for people to replace time they would have spent with friends with watching politics. One reason this sounds true to me is that even though there is way more vitriol, the underlying issues are less decisive than in the past. People are madder for less reason.

    The only approach is to treat the underlying problem. One part of the solution is the federal government doing less and people working together with their neighbors to get things done as Alexis de Tocqueville described. Electing the best president won't do that. Biden would be better, of course, because a) he's not a racist buffoon and b) he has said he wants to reduce executive branch power. B part of what all this is about. I will believe B when I see it; I'm happy even to hear it discussed.

    I have really bought into the ewv view that change has to come from citizens taking the spirit of the Constitution to heart, i.e. the spirit of the people granting the government limited powers to ensure liberty. A Constitution plus good institutions are necessary but NOT sufficient to limit government intrusiveness.
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