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Governments Are Faking It, and Copying Each Other

Posted by $ Olduglycarl 1 year, 8 months ago to Government
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"These guys in charge are mostly attorneys with specializations in bamboozling voters. And the “public health authorities” advising them can get credentials in the field without ever having studied much less practiced medicine. So what do they do? They copy other governments, as a way of covering up their ignorance."
"Why did so many governments go so nuts at once, disregarding their own laws, traditions, and values by bludgeoning their own people with the excuse of science that has turned out to be almost completely bogus? Some people claim conspiracy but a much simpler answer might be that, in their ignorance and stupor, they copied each other out of fear."
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  • Posted by Joseph23006 1 year, 8 months ago
    Science tries to think it is pure and exact and it is as the true facts become available. Only the laws governing mathematics, physics, and chemistry remain immutable. All the other, such as astronomy, geology, biology, anthropology, remain in flux while we learn more and more as technology develops. The same is true with medicine, scientists studying Wuhan are learning more each day and finding different data come to differing conclusions which doesn't always get shared. Enter political science, which isn't really a science but the art of persuasion, it tends to pick and chose facts according to a narrative that has already been decided upon. The Chinese Communists filtered their facts before sending them to the WHO, who released their conclusions with their own spin. The President gat wind that something wasn't quite right and acted decisively. The news media, politically correct, with a dislike for him, took the opposite stance and so did the Democrats. The President was getting input from a variety of sources while the media and Democrats opted for those who supported anything that contradicted the President. The same forces are at work on the 'climate change' front.
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    • Posted by rhfinle 1 year, 8 months ago
      Very true. 'Science' is supposed to be (in the old sense of the word) a liberal mindset, open to new ideas. As an undergraduate, I was particularly interested in exploring some issues related to Gravity propagation. The staid professor mindset then (40 years ago) was, "There's nothing to explore: Einstein said everything propagates at the speed of light and that's that. I had one very good friend who had the same interests but he was killed in a stupid accident. I graduated with a BS in Physics but switched to Computer Science and eventually Computer Engineering. More recently others have come up exploring the ideas I was interested in , but they still have found no way to reconcile Relativity and Quantum Mechanics. Ultimately the closed mindset of what is now called 'Science' sent me away into Engineering.
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      • Posted by $ 1 year, 8 months ago
        I find the same problems with my studies and theories on Consciousness and the Mind.
        My work is based upon the works of Julian Jaynes.
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        • Posted by rhfinle 1 year, 8 months ago
          Hey, Carl, you might be interested in this. It's been a long time since I had anyone to talk to on the subject. This relates to Jaynes' 'Bicameral mind'.
          In Comp Engr grad school (26-27 years ago) we were studying tree and non-tree data structures and the operators needed to access the information in them. I discovered that you can have two similar but distinct structures, one to represent spacial relationships and position, and one to represent temporal relationships and sequencing. The structures are similar but shouldn't overlap - otherwise you confuse 'before' with 'in front of' etc. What I found interesting is the set of operators to manipulate these are virtually the same. So if you built a 'brain' the mechanism would be the same on both sides but there would have to be two separate containers for the two structures. Sort of like the "left-brain right-brain" thing, there would have to be a distinction between the spatial and temporal parts. This was supposedly going to be my Doctoral thesis but it didn't happen.
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          • Posted by $ 1 year, 8 months ago
            Ok, but as Jaynes discovered the two halves need to cooperate in order for introspection or awareness of self to happen...my work goes beyond that in the aspect of Conscience, subconscience and the mind, (the fields related to self, just outside the head).
            I also think the Mind has access to the quantum fields and can decode the information of wave transfers between entangled particles...or should we say: Insights into things we have no neurons devoted to?

            So bicameral man had no introspection and there is nothing in your head to look, judge or to see itself. He was primarily left, or logistic brained but his instructions came from a voice he judged as alien to him...until that breakdown of the bicameral Brain. Some men became Unicameral. (note, now as then, materialist science thinks the mind/brain are the same...they are not the same, they can't be)

            Another interesting point I found later deals with the timeline Jaynes notes in the use of Metaphors: Actuaries discovered that around 2500 years ago, our magnetic shields got the strongest they'd ever been...at least in this 12K year cycle. Knowing that cosmic radiation affects the brain as well as the body, I propose that the shielding by the magnetic fields against the cosmic rays allowed mankind (a very small percentage) to finally hear and identify the voice of himself...no longer confused by what the voices of others were saying...hence the ideas of ethics and morality were allowed to develop instead of behaving in fear of forces unseen.

            There were just snippets of this concept in my first book...I can add a lot more now, which I am in my 3rd rewrite of the next book on the subject.
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            • Posted by rhfinle 1 year, 8 months ago
              Very correct there, Carl. The 'bicameral mind' is, I believe, only a data storage structure. The basic operations I found which operate on both sides are just assembly-language primative instructions and there's a great deal more going on there. The radiation you referred to damages cell structures but also generates noise in the EM spectrum from displaced charged particles. The signals that pass between neurons are FM modulated to reduce the noise factor, and is a reason why most of us don't pick up stray messages from other organisms in the vicinity. AM signals (where the intensity is a function of the signal strength) would be very susceptible to noise. Neuron signals have some AM component near the bottom and top of their ranges, but by and large consist of a series of pulses or 'chirps' of more or less constant amplitude, whose frequency is fairly linearly proportional to the signal intensity. 'Brain' and 'mind' are not the same at all. It's more like 'brain' is the hardware, the neuronal networks implement low-level instructions, and 'mind' is a higher-level language operating on top of that platform. One immediate result of this is that 'mind' does not necessarily have to operate on the 'human brain' platform, just as Java can run on Mainframe, Windows or Linux.
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              • Posted by $ 1 year, 8 months ago
                Interesting correlations.
                Yes, the brain is very compartmentalized and primarily deals with survival and functions. Even knowing peoples names, the way home, how to act in front of others, math, language and especially science requires rote compartmentalized information.
                I put it this way. One has info in neuron A and other info in neuron B...there is no neuron dedicated to A+B, 1/2A+1/2B or any combination thereof...no integration can occur in the brain...only in the fields outside your head we call the mind.

                Our biblical bicameral ancestors were basically very smart animals and could not act by free will.
                Now you might understand why we find it hard to understand them and what they were trying to convey to others and us. On the surface it was straight up what they observed and experienced. They relied heavily upon rote memory as a survival function.

                It is from that knowledge, that stance, we might begin to understand them and the history they brought fourth...it wasn't as "Mystical" as we have been taught to believe.

                Note, I have to be able to explain all this simply in direct language, very few of my readers are academics. It's important to me that my readers awaken to their minds and understand that our paradigm is upside down, we have been ruled by those inferior, those with no mind, no conscience and no connection what so ever to creation itself...how that happened is part of that journey.

                I think all the natural signs read that we (those of us that survive) will be truly autonomous and free of them in the next 12Kyear cycle, The Mayans suggest it, Enoch told us outright and it's in other writings as well.

                It is my hope that the Best of us, our history, philosophy and our technology survive as well.
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  • Posted by $ Dobrien 1 year, 8 months ago
    WHO’s on first? No WHO’s on second , UN’s on first. WHO’s on third ? No WHO’s on second , Gates on Third.

    Abbott: Oh yes, yes, yes...Oh yes, absolutely. Yes, now, on the St. Louis team, we have Who's on first, What's on second, I Don't Know's on third...

    Costello: That's what I want to find out. I want you to tell me the names of the fellas on the St. Louis team.

    Abbott: I'm telling ya. Who's on first, What's on second, I Don't Know's on third.

    Costello: You don't know the fella's name?

    Abbott: Yes.

    Costello: Well then, who's playing first?

    Abbott: Yes.

    Costello: I mean, the fella's name on first base.

    Abbott: Who.

    Costello: The fella playing first base for St. Louis?

    Abbott: Who.

    Costello: The guy on first base.

    Abbott: Who is on first!

    Costello: Well, what are ya asking me for?

    Abbott: I'm not asking you. I'm telling you. Who is on first.

    Costello: I'm asking you who's on first.

    Abbott: That's the man's name.

    Costello: That's who's name?

    Abbott: Yes.

    Costello: Well, go ahead and tell me.

    Abbott: Who.

    Costello: The guy on first.

    Abbott: Who!

    Costello: The first baseman.

    Abbott: Who is on first!

    Costello: Have you got a first baseman on first?

    Abbott: Certainly.

    Costello: Then who's playing first?

    Abbott: Absolutely.

    Costello: When you pay off the first baseman every month, who gets the money?

    Abbott: Every dollar of it. Why not? The man's entitled to it.

    Costello: Who is?

    Abbott: Yes.

    Costello: So who gets it.

    Abbott: Why shouldn't he? Sometimes his wife comes down and collects it.

    Costello: Who's wife?

    Abbott: Yes. After all, the man earns it.

    Costello: Who does?

    Abbott: Absolutely.

    Costello: All I'm tryin' to find out is what's the guy's name on first base.

    Abbott: Oh, no, no. What is on second base.

    Costello: I'm not askin' you who's on second.

    Abbott: Who is on first.

    Costello: That's what I'm trying to find out.

    Abbott: Well, don't change the players around.

    Costello: I'm not changin' nobody.

    Abbott: Take it easy.

    Costello: What's the guy's name on first base?

    Abbott: What's the guy's name on second base.

    Costello: I'm not asking you who's on second.

    Abbott: Who's on first.

    Costello: I don't know.

    Abbott: He's on third - we're not talkin' about him.

    Costello: How did I get on third base?

    Abbott: You mentioned his name!

    Costello: If I mentioned the third baseman's name, who did I say is playing third?

    Abbott: No - Who is playing first.

    Costello: Stay off of first, will ya?

    Abbott: Well, waddya want me to do?

    Costello: Now, what's the guy's name on third base?

    Abbott: No, What's on second.

    Costello: I'm not asking you who's on second.

    Abbott: Who's on first.

    Costello: I don't know.

    Abbott: He's on third.

    Costello: There I go - back on third again.

    Abbott: Well, I can't change their names.

    Costello: Would you please stay on third base, Mr. Broadhurst?

    Abbott: Now, what is it you want to know?

    Costello: What is the fella's name on third base?

    Abbott: What is the fella's name on second base.

    Costello: I'm not askin' you who's on second.

    Abbott: Who's on first.

    Costello: I don't know.

    Abbott & Costello (together): Third Base!
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    • Posted by $ Spiderwilliams 1 year, 8 months ago
      I always liked the song and dance routine from the texas governor on the movie "Best Little Whorehouse in Texas" with Dolly Parton and Burt Reynolds where the governor is asked a question and he bursts into his dance number, "I just do a little side step. Now you see me now you dont!"
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      • Posted by Orwellian 1 year, 8 months ago
        Charles Durning,was the actor and that song is a great example of politicians lying to the public.
        Ooh I love to dance a little sidestep, now they see me now they don't-
        I've come and gone and, ooh I love to sweep around the wide step,
        cut a little swathe and lead the people on.
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    • Posted by $ Commander 1 year, 8 months ago
      About a month ago my Grand Niece (6y/o) and I had a natural permutation of this.
      Where is It?
      It is over near There
      where is There?
      There is over by It
      How can It be There
      and it was game on for over 20 minutes.

      I can't find as better way to begin conceptually s**t proofing youngsters
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      • Posted by rhfinle 1 year, 8 months ago
        Can't wait till she gets into school and starts exposing the professional indoctrinators as BS artists. You might want to have a sit-down with her and let her know that this is going to cause consternation, and that the fault is theirs, not hers.
        My kids went to private school, and didn't get the indoctrination, and were well-armed against the BS when they got to college. They take no $#!^ off of anybody.
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        • Posted by $ Commander 1 year, 8 months ago
          I'll be there. Gently coaching and helping her make sense of her perceptions as they conceptualize. I made her a promise that I would not tell her something I could not show to her and repeat it.
          Last Sunday I stopped at Grandpa's machine shop. I entered the front door and she very calmly asked: "May I help you?" She had looked up from the office computer where she was making up the shipping papers for 5 boxes of parts she had packed.
          She has already concept of shutting down a CNC machine improperly could be like a person with amnesia (her words, "when a person forgets who they are") waking up suddenly. She represents the majority of the young, that when coached with enthusiasm and structure, excel.
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          • Posted by rhfinle 1 year, 8 months ago
            I'd love to see what a kid like that could to with a good violin or guitar. Tell her to look up my girl in a dozen years or so. She'll likely be "Dr. Gretchen" and teaching somewhere. She's a sophomore in BioEngineering right now.
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            • Posted by $ Commander 1 year, 8 months ago
              Coach to the aptitudes and interests, place her with peers of enthusiastic participation.
              The only thing I can coach is the joy of learning and to not be afraid of failure or setback....oh, and, you might not want to try it that way...this is why my forehead slopes!
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              • Posted by rhfinle 1 year, 8 months ago
                I have seen enough failure and setback to teach a course in it. Actually that might be a good idea.
                My forehead slopes too, but I'm 3% Neanderthal. It's not so bad, but it shows more and more these days. Enthusiastic Participation: She had a very good General Engineering prof last year. He did a seminar for the parents last summer during orientation. He mentioned that most of the kids in his Freshman class were exceptional and would now find themselves average in a class of really bright kids like themselves - and love it. He was right. She found out there are people like her and she has her own little engineer groups. In each group there are a few who excel at one thing or another. She'll take some off to the side and coach them in Calculus sometimes (She eats Calculus for breakfast!) and others help her with the physics etc. Do the things you love, and if you're lucky, do them with people who share your interests.
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                • Posted by $ Commander 1 year, 8 months ago
                  I'm confidant to one of the youngsters that landed hear a year or so past. She is off-scale brilliant in human sciences. She's entering senior in high school and already planning first 2 years of college in tech sciences. Not quite sure which one yet. I'm holding my breath as I watch this wonderful youngster create herself. I have another half dozen in my town that have taken an interest in being around me....13 to 24. Parents are cool with it so no predatory anxiety....that's the real bitch of today's environ.
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  • Posted by 25n56il4 1 year, 8 months ago
    This might be considered a stupid question, but I can't get my head around the over-reaction to this virus?
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    • Posted by CaptainKirk 1 year, 8 months ago
      I over-reacted in the beginning, so let me share my thought process in Mid-Late January (My Daughter was overseas in Japan while studying for her masters via online classes back here, so I was "interested")...

      1) As I looked into it, Stefan Molyneaux had someone on who explained that there are parts of the virus that are CUT AND PASTE
      from other viruses.
      2) It clearly looked like it was Lab Research on making a Lethal Disease (bio weapon)
      3) It was obviously NOT from food, which has been a fall-guy
      4) The Chinese were PANICKING over it, WELDING People into their homes to die, and PREVENTING Travel within China from Wuhan
      5) The numbers from Italy were coming in loud and clear. Lots of Death
      6) The R0 numbers were clearly Exponential (This is a dangerous spread rate, especially for an unknown, potential bio weapon)
      7) We have been a bit overdue for something like this.
      8) Chris Martenson of Peak Prosperity started covering the risks, but also what was coming (Shortages, shutdowns, etc).
      He was right in his general direction. I bought a stand alone freezer and $500 worth of meat to fill it. Plus other stuff...
      Glad I did. And I continue to listen to his updates.

      This coupled with ALL of the UNKNOWNS and other data points (Remember when Sponge Lung was hitting Vapers?).
      Why were these people dying from this. Why are they dying 5 different ways? What was that H1N1 piece, what about the snippet from HIV? Clearly there was the FURRIN piece that helped it get into our cells...

      So, I educated myself, and slowly my fear level dropped as I am on an Anti-Inflammatory diet. I added Vitamin D3 and C.
      I bought a Pulse Ox device just in case.

      Meanwhile, Lockdowns, travel restrictions, and fear in general.

      That's how we got here...
      And a COMPLETE Abolition of science, and total APPEAL to Authority at every level, lead by our Masterful Media Companies!

      To the point, that WORLD WIDE discussions of HCQ have been Pooh-Poohed, and videos taken down, people blacklisted.
      Pure Communism.

      So, the fear triggered a set point, where the COMMUNISTS grabbed power. Gates, Fauci, WHO, et al. And they soaked the governments of the world for untold BILLIONS of dollars, as Fear Merchants.

      I agreed to 2 weeks, I would have agreed to 4 weeks. I WOULD HAVE NEVER SAID 4 Months.

      But I think this sums up how we got here. Where the fear came from.

      It's quite easy to look back, in hindsight, and ask "Why did you believe this virus was going to be so bad?"
      (My answer, exponential Growth, and the death rate of Italy in Feb... Implied Florida would have a Million Deaths, and Peak about
      Mid August. Using My Kindergarten excel spreadsheet. But the problem was hospitalizations and Ventilator demand, plus the damage to the front line doctors was still unknown... It looked pretty periiess).

      But I have since learned that the human race (And Americans in General) can learn Exponentially in todays world. And that was the first thing that reduced my fear (For others) significantly.

      Meanwhile, we SQUANDERED the best time to tell people to eat less, eat less often, eat more natural foods, cut out junk foods and seed oils, and reduce their inflammation, and T2 Diabetes. Had we done that in March, we could have CURED 1/2 the T2 Diabetics by now!
      And greatly reduced their risk of Covid-19...
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    • Posted by 25n56il4 1 year, 8 months ago
      What am I missing?
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      • Posted by $ 1 year, 8 months ago
        The Agenda?
        Perhaps, and only perhaps, the reaction, aside from an agenda by the global delete ruleless class, is due to the incompetence of the ruleless class and the fear of the exposure of that fact.

        Sweden and Switzerland seem to be the only ones not daunted by this international ruse.
        Kudos to them for not following the stampeding herds.
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        • Posted by $ Spiderwilliams 1 year, 8 months ago
          The Local is a Swedish news site in english. Here you can get unedited, unfiltered news that has not been watered down. By not over reacting and not having lockdowns they may well be close to so called herd immunity. Hate that word. But by accident not planned. Beautiful!
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        • Posted by $ Spiderwilliams 1 year, 8 months ago
          And Tanzania where the President went public with results for covid which he sent in which tested positive. Motor oil, fruit, a bird, a goat etc. All of the samples from these tested positive. WHO cannot be trusted yet they continue to list TB (and rightfully so) as the #1 most infectious disease on the planet. 500,000 children died from it last year. Covid as of Aug 5th according the CDC killed 15 in the U.S. Its not even close to being as bad as the annual flu which over 29,000,000 have come down with in the U.S. In Texas and in Florida people are being told they tested positive that never got tested and this one should blow the lid off. By the time the election is over it will either be gone or a lot of public officials will. Judge Nelson Wolffe in San Antonio is among the worst profiteering statists as he never fails to profit from any of them. Tobacco, fake opioid crisis, flood damage etc.
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      • Posted by freedomforall 1 year, 8 months ago
        "Never let a 'crisis' go to waste" is the motto of all politicians and bureaucrats. That's how they gain power and take away rights. That is the primary issue, but in this case there is also a non-politician interfering with their meddling. So it is also a primary objective to use this 'crisis' to defeat Trump and usher in the Era of Socialism just prior to the economic collapse that corrupt politicians and the banking cartel have been advancing for 107 years. (Oh, and to blame the collapse on Trump.)
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        • Posted by $ Snezzy 1 year, 8 months ago
          As I told my wife back in January when this thing first surfaced,"Watch. They'll blame it on Trump. Anything to get rid of Trump." They are running out of "anythings" and my local buddies in our formerly solid-Democrat rural area are all Trump fans. Those who don't quite dare post a Trump sign in their yards put up an American flag instead. The left's only hope seems to be massive voter fraud.

          Suggestion: VOTE IN PERSON because if there is any bad stuff it'll have to be in the mail-in and absentee ballots which are not counted until later.

          I won't get into expressing my hopes that anyone on the Supreme Court be called to the Pearly Gates. I'll also remain silent about other Gates.
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  • Posted by $ 1 year, 8 months ago
    I've always said...they are either: Stupid or Complicit...choose.
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    • Posted by $ Commander 1 year, 8 months ago
      Both are viral
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      • Posted by $ 1 year, 8 months ago
        True...a virus does it's thing by stowing away in the bodies information pathways between cells...confounding the alert message and substituting...nothing to see here...move along.
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        • Posted by $ Commander 1 year, 8 months ago
          And then there is the "cancerous". Have you ever thought of an overlay of a microscopic view of cancer cells and a stratospheric view of large metropolitan areas? Humans have the choice to be symbiotic or co-morbid.
          Will the cockroaches parody our extinction with "and their brains were small and they died" or will we prevail?
          Stupid and complicit are the extremes of the philosophical battle being waged that determine our healthy survival.
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          • Posted by $ 1 year, 8 months ago
            I should add to your astute statement: To Be or Not to Be, that was the question, to be conscious or not; but when stupidly complicit or complicitly stupid...the answer is always: NOT.
            Laughing

            We've had this battle before, it's never stopped, however, we can give our Old Testament brethren a break because they were simply not aware of it.
            Julian Jaynes, The Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind...(should have read: Brain)...this is what My work, [The Fight for Conscious Human Life], is based upon.
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            • Posted by $ Commander 1 year, 8 months ago
              My work in process is entitled Reaching UP (Unlimited Potential)
              The goal is to tear the conceptual of philosophy away from the ivory tower and place it in layman terms.
              Excerpted from Tao Te Ching:
              It is better not to make merit a matter of reward
              Lest people conspire and contend,
              Not to pile up rich belongings,
              Lest they rob,
              Not to excite by display
              Lest they covet.
              A sound leaders aim
              Is to open people's hearts,
              Calm their wills.
              Brace their bones,
              And so to clarify their thoughts and cleanse their needs
              That no cunning meddler could touch them:
              Without being forced, without strain or constraint,
              Good government comes of itself.
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