...back to the "If mask's work, why do businesses have to be closed? And, if they don't work, why are we forced to wear them?" question.

Thanks for the correction.

Would this country where is economically if for every epidemic or pandemic we closed up shop and hid in our homes? Feels more like the Dark Ages.

The estimated (conservative) actual death rate is below 0.1% -- a bad Flu Season.

You can thank the anti-Trump media and our gutless political leadership for all of this FEAR.

Just as Rome fell, the U.S. experiment is failing (too much success breeds weakness and cowardice).

Thanks for the education everyone! The media and state and local governments haven't disseminated any of this information. I do agree with Janblacha that the political left would love to see 65 yrs old and above die of Covid19 since they have much of the younger people brainwashed towards Communism.

Yep. Can’t be much of another reason.

“You people. Ewe sheep. Come to us for answers and action. We offer comfort, streaming anything and free stuff in exchange for your trivial freedoms, most of which you don’t use.”

The NYC data cited at https://www.worldometers.info/coronav...

Of the 15,230 deaths in people who were tested positive for coronavirus, only 0.7% did NOT have underlying conditions that likely contributed to the person's death.
99.3% of those who died DID have underlying conditions.

Sorry that link is : https://www.worldometers.info/coronav...

I want to know how many in these grou[s were in a nursing home, where they would be if not physically fit. My husband, still working at 78 is type A, and I am type A, mid-seventires. We are out an about form day one, no masks, just fresh air. How many had preexisting conditions? The blood type observation came from China, not a study, at all. One would nave to comapre Scotland, where a majority of the population have type O, to see how they fared, as most US are type A or AB. I would like to see, intead of screaming new cases, which would be counted even if no symptoms, how many people have the antibody, test the whole population, so we know how many really had it, and came through it with little or no hospitalization. When Congressman Kennedy from the South said the other day he sometimes wears 2 maks, I was horrified, he is getting little oxygen, any germs from putting masks on or off, as there are, will be sucked in to his lungs!

Sweden's coronavirus expert blasts WHO for 'misinterpreting data'
world 'went mad' with lockdowns

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...
and
https://principia-scientific.org/swed...
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Norway's health chief: lockdown was not needed to tame Covid
virus . . was already on the way out when lockdown ordered

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/n...
and
https://principia-scientific.org/norw...

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AAPS files with the court a chart showing how countries that encourage HCQ use, such as South Korea, India, Turkey, Russia, and Israel, have been far more successful in combating COVID-19 than countries that have banned or discouraged early HCQ use, as the FDA has. Last week the FDA even misled the public by falsely stating that HCQ should not be used to treat COVID-19, when multiple studies show its benefits, and thousands of patients have been successfully treated worldwide.

https://arizonadailyindependent.com/2... June 23, 2020
and
https://principia-scientific.org/doct... June 26, 2020

Question- can anyone track down the chart that AAPS filed with the court?
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Still cannot find the chart I was looking for.
Meanwhile here are some refs about the value or otherwise of lockdowns.

Various data, mainstream and respectability biases-
https://www.vox.com/science-and-healt...

The WaPo, based on two studies, both these if I read correctly are in turn based on the notorious Imperial College London modeling by Neil Ferguson.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health...

Not the latest, March 17, 2020, but reliable source- John P.A. Ioannidis, Stanford.
'evidence fiasco' '..extreme measures of social distancing and lockdowns. Unfortunately, we do not know if these measures work'
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a...

"fatality rate for those under age 70 is just 0.04%"
https://www.reddit.com/r/LockdownSkep...

Selection of anti-lockdown views and data-
https://www.reddit.com/r/LockdownSkep...

The death rate-
"We destroyed our entire country and suspended democracy all for a lie, and these people perpetrated the unscientific degree of panic. Will they ever admit the grave consequences of their error?"
https://fromthetrenchesworldreport.co...

"Coronavirus Lockdowns Were a Mistake. The Media is Continuing to Mislead" audio blog
https://blog.hyperwellbeing.com/016-k...

Twitter users can go to- https://twitter.com/gummibear737

Comment from me, the two issues with lockdowns are-
1. Does it work, can argue to and fro. The costs are economic disruption and jobs lost, certain and large if not easy to quantify. The benefits are life and health. Thus we get the emotional blackmail cry of 'cannot price human lives', but the benefits are very questionable, could be negligible, we know about fake modeling.
2. Governments should not have the power to lock up people not guilty of committing a crime.
A fair number on this site, not just the pure Objectivists, would have this view.

Full lockdown policies in Western Europe countries have no evident impacts on the COVID-19 epidemic.
Thomas Meunier. Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution, Falmouth, Massachusetts,
Ensenada Center for Scientific Research and Higher Education, Ensenada, BC. April 24, 2020

The summary is on-
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.11...
from which the full paper can be downloaded.
Comments are good, yes there are flaws in the paper which are not fatal,
but the onus of proof should be on the proponents of lockdowns to show it worked, this has not be done.

I'm still looking for the chart.
(Regards to deleted)

The shame of it is that Blood type is rarely accounted for in statistics. Most people don't even know their blood type and doctors have no clue either. I would think one would list All individually physiological statistics, age, weight, blood type, RH factor, secretor status, etc, etc.

As you know, I studied and do the Blood Type Diet; (http://rightforyourtype.com). The Doc, (D'Adamo), every flu season gives us the low down on who (bloodtype) is on that years hit list. Many times it's between A's and O's with B's and AB's skewed one way or the other for vulnerability. This year, I must of missed or perhaps he didn't get into the covid thing...he is probably trying to make sense of all the bull out there like the rest of us....Interesting to note. Dr D'Adamo is an A.
Another interesting factoid about the clotting factor of A versus O: A has the thickest blood and O the thinnest/ acids in the stomach: As the least, Os the most. Although, through antiquity, we've always gotten along, we are the first 2 blood types but biologically, for all intent and purpose...we are opposites. Vegetarians versus Red Meat eaters. (leaving the "garden" necessitated a digestive change...hence: Blood type 0).

This year, it seems the majority of us lucked out.
blood type a is about 20% of the population.

One article, but not an elaborate study or conclusions
https://www.news-medical.net/news/202...
and https://www.prevention.com/health/a32...
"A growing body of research is discovering a potential link between a person’s blood type and their COVID-19 risk. The latest stems via preliminary data from the at-home genetic test kit company 23andMe.
The company shared in a blog post this week that preliminary results from its ongoing genetic study of COVID-19—which currently has more than 750,000 participants—“suggest that O blood type appears to be protective.” Specifically, people with type O blood were up to 18% less likely to test positive for COVID-19 than those of other blood types."

Now we hope that the CDC data is accurate enough ;^).

When one has valid data, one is prepared to deal with a situation. I have had difficulty gleaning such data; however, this post appears to provide it. Many thanks.

One of my employee's husband a first responder. She tells me about the insane number of domestic violence calls he makes where often it is the death of the spouse. So much information the media is NOT reporting.

Got dirty looks this morning at coffee group mtg. Most of us didn't comply to WA State governor's (Inslee) edict to wear a mask in all indoor places again effective today (March 26, 2020). The market where we go offers free masks at the door and recommends everyone wear but did not insist. I just said I have a medical issue that prevents me from rebreathing some of my exhaled air, and they let me go through. The employee that served my coffee would not look at me, threw my change at me from about a foot from my opened palm. I told her I can't wear a mask, she replied in a tissy (sp) "I don't care, do what you want". It was obvious she was quite angry. One of the other members came in with his mask sticking out of his shirt pocket. She told him, "Well at least you have a mask, but you should wear it". I've had similar experiences with her before. Whatever happened to the customer is always right? We had another employee approach us with a thumbs up, stating they are required to wear a mask in there all the time, but supported our protest not to wear one. Store manager walked by and nodded `good morning' like he always does, no comment.

Oops, I think you meant Shingles, not Rickets for chicken pox.

I agree that it is mainly the younger people who will pay for this economic shutdown, and THEY were the ones who werent going to die from the corona virus... Very unfair for the government to prevent free association amongst citizens like they did with this shutdown

I wish some rich dude would file a suit and get this nonsense of shutdown ended for good

the CDC told doctors and hospitals to lie about the number of covid deaths...Italy admitted that 99% of their covid deaths were a lie...

none of the above info is true...as they have burned and buried the bodies we will never know...

the CDC paid the hospitals $39K per "covid" death...

Well said!

Agreed. In my opinion, it should be covered in the First Amendment right to Association.

If you can find the reference I'd like to examine that data, Lucky.

Yes, I posted that thread and deleted it when I found the CDC data used in this thread.
(I thought "deleted" meant "deleted".
I guess not.)
However, the NYC data in that thread did make an additional point about pre-existing medical conditions, so I guess it's good it wasn't actually deleted. [grin]

Thanks for the cogent remarks.
Spot on blarman!