You made "who we have met" germane when you assumed AR and LP had personality flaws.

Everything I have seen re toleration in Obj. has been fallacious. Tolerance is not a virtue for good reason.
I've checked my premises my entire adult life! Not sure which one you are questioning.

tdechaine, I applaud that you support Objectivism, but unfortunately, I sense we are at an impasse and further discussion will be unproductive. Either of our pedigrees is unimportant and who we may have met is not germane. I will offer two suggestions. First, read (if you haven’t already) “Truth and Toleration in Objectivism,” although it may not be on ARI’s recommended list. Your above statements are also logically flawed, so my second suggestion would be to “check your premises.”

I agree totally and it doesn't have to be in your face. But is should be a nice quiet shift for Objectivists and let the results speak for itself.

No doubt about it Gillum would have brought forth darkness. https://www.tampabay.com/florida-poli...

Humanity is good, but, when we let our guard down we allow darkness to infiltrate and destroy.
Like past battles fought, we now face our greatest battle at present, a battle to save our Republic, our way of life, and what we decide (each of us) now will decide our future.
Will we be a free nation under God?
Or will we cede our freedom, rights and liberty to the enemy?
We all have a choice to make. .
Evil [darkness] has never been so exposed to light.
They can no longer hide in the shadows.
Our system of government has been infiltrated by corrupt and sinister elements.
Democracy was almost lost forever.
Think HRC install: [2+] Supreme Court Justices, 200+ judges, rogue elements expanded inside DOJ, FBI, CIA, NSA, WH, STATE, …….removal 2nd amendment, border etc. ……… America for sale: China, Russia, Iran, Syria…….ISIS & AL Q expansion…….expansion surv of domestic citizens…….modify/change voter rules and regulations allow illegals+ballot harvesting w/ SC backed liberal-social opinion………sell off of military to highest bidder to fight internal long-standing wars……..
Their thirst for a one world order [destruction of national sovereignty] serves to obtain control over America [and her allies [think EU]] by diluting your vote to oblivion and installing a new one world ruling party.
The start of this concept began with organizations such as: world health org, world trade org, united nations, ICC, NATO, etc., [all meant to weaken the United States] also the formation of EU through threat [con] of close proximity attack [attack on one is an attack on all – sales pitch to gen public – fear control].
Re: EU _did each member nation cede sovereignty to Brussels?
Re: EU _each member must implement EU rules and regulations in all areas [think immigration, currency, overall control].
Their thirst to remove your ability to defend yourself serves to prevent an uprising to challenge their control.
There is a fundamental reason why our enemies dare not attack [invade] our borders [armed citizenry].
If America falls so does the world.
If America falls darkness will soon follow.
Only when we stand together, only when we are united, can we defeat this highly entrenched dark enemy.
Their power and control relies heavily on an uneducated population.
A population that trusts without individual thought.
A population that obeys without challenge.
A population that remains outside of free thought, and instead, remains isolated living in fear inside of the closed-loop echo chamber of the controlled mainstream media.
This is not about politics.
This is about preserving our way of life and protecting the generations that follow.
We are living in Biblical times.
Children of light vs children of darkness.
United against the Invisible Enemy of all humanity.
Q

It was his authorization of the MSEHPA that authorized the governors to behave in the manner that they have.

Now is not the time to fight against altruist morality. For one thing you'd drive away the Christians who are the vast majority of the conservative base. Instead, I'd give more publicity to the likes of Thomas Sowell and Larry Elder, who've studied the causes of poverty and shown that LBJ's welfare programs made it much worse. That way abolition can be sold to the public as beneficial, which it is.

Yep!

Just like America and the fate of individual liberty as well.

That is the key to the whole bad system, I believe. Public education needs to be replaced by private, whether it takes place in schools or in the home. But with enough money, we should be able to do this without any change in the law. I believe a good K-12 curriculum can be made available for free download. After that it's a matter of letting parents know it's out there. Computers are cheap.

I think it will be okay here. DeSantis is doing a good job, no state taxes and sun still shines. Gillum would have brought darkness and new taxes.

This (by Chad) betrays a lack of understanding of federalism. Trump does not have the power to institute a lockdown unless it is just for DC and federal enclaves. (Or just against interstate travel, meaning no crossing state borders.) And California, at least, did lock down at both the county and state levels before the president made his suggestion.

The president was correct to shut down air travel from affected countries. But that's all he actually did.

Not there anymore, but my mother and brother are. Up in New England now.
I can not imagine. FL is at a tipping point, just like TX.

I have to take tdechaine's side here. Milton Friedman did a good job of showing, by way of comparative advantage, why reducing or eliminating tariffs improves prosperity even if only one side does it.

Of course in the case of trade with hostile countries such as China, free trade may also help them arm for war against us or our friends, which can be a good reason not to liberalize. IP theft may be another good reason. Slave labor too.

I like Trump's trade policies better than Obama's. They are not the best possible. But toward China I think he's doing the right things.

Apologies for misspelling of fascism. oops, fingers can't keep up.

Howdy neighbor. Can you imagine if Gillum was elected. It was a close race.

Yes, who today would be considered a right-wing Nazi, lol.

and redefinition of "facism".

And with COVID travel restrictions in place there will be no escape available except as a criminal. Welcome to Nazi American facism.

Objectivism is about individual initiative, while collectivism is about the purported "helplessness" of the individual, and how he needs a powerful state to provide for him. It is a kind of reversion to the Utopian concept of Hobbes' "Leviathan," which was a justification for absolute monarchy, maintaining that the individual could never be powerful enough to withstand the forces against him without the aid of a powerful leader with the resources to dominate all who would abuse the helpless serf.

Today's Leviathan proponents have replaced the monarch with an oligarchy of elites who know better than the rest of us what is best for us. The believers have adopted a cultish, pseudo-religious passion for this belief, obedient to the pronouncements of the high priests of collectivism. With the declarations of the all-knowing oligarchs at the top not to be refuted or disobeyed, it is easy for those oligarchs to engage in doublespeak, changing what is holy as is convenient to promote their agenda. What is blessed today may be abomination tomorrow, and the believers follow without question.

It is this religious aspect of collectivism, as practiced by the extreme wing of the Democrat party, that makes it impossible for an Objectivist to have a rational conversation with its followers. Logic and actual facts are forbidden for them to discuss. Their belief stems from virtue signaling, being on the righteous side of an argument regardless of what is real. There's a set of interviews on Facebook that best illustrates this belief system: in the piece, liberal whites are first interviewed, on the question of defunding the police, and they all declare the righteousness of getting the police out of poor minority neighborhoods; the second set of interviews are with residents of Harlem, the "victims" who say that getting the police out of their neighborhood is insanity, and that they want a stronger police presence to protect them from the gangs.

The insanity of the collectivist position is exemplified by AOC, who declares the increased crime rate in minority neighborhoods after the police presence has been reduced is due to the pandemic, and is just poor people shoplifting a loaf of bread. She would have us believe that it is nothing more than a modern black Jean Valjean, struggling to provide for his family. Pay no attention to the dramatically increasing numbers of gunshot victims, because that doesn't fit the narrative.

Hopefully, this comedy of terrors is making an impression on those remaining people to whom reality hasn't slipped away. If this November's elections put the mentally challenged Biden (who is now adopting the most extreme of the irrational positions) in the White House, we will have two choices: either bow our heads and accept our fate, or rise up in resistance, and possibly take up arms to defend our freedom.

Born and raised in Brevard County.

So right! Great to hear from you again, Jan!

Economically, pre-1913 is exactly where we need to go back. The 16th Amendment is where this country LOST its charter of FREEDOM.

The jackbooted THUGS of the IRS enabled most of the corruption we are seeing today.

So, I have to disagree with you where our Time-Machine has to land. :-)

Other than that, destroying Leftism as a viable and/or credible philosophy would be another excellent goal.

I hate to say it, but laying awake every night, I think the same thing. If Biden is elected and the democrats get the Senate, the US will institute a semi-bloodless proletarian revolution. RightThing, RightSpeak, media, will become as bad as China and Russia.

That is a good point, and Obama did more to incite more race division than any recent president.