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I Want My Freedom Back

Posted by straightlinelogic 9 years, 9 months ago to Government
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Earlier this week, edweaver submitted a post, "Does a person have to die to be free?" In it, he asked: "Is death the only way to rid yourself of government?" I submitted a response keyed to that question, and the response developed a thread. However, I wanted to submit what I said to the entire Gulch community to see what everyone had to say about it. Here goes:

One realization that has come to me, far slower than it should have, is that it is not enough to be against statism and government, one has to be for something, to have a vision of where one wants to go. The Fountainhead sounds the tocsin against the encroaching state, and Atlas Shrugged painted the dystopian future after that encroaching state has smothered everything in its path. However, Rand never presented a vision of a world in which the things she was fighting for—liberty, limited government, rational self-interest, and capitalism—had triumphed. One of the reasons I wrote The Golden Pinnacle, which you read, Ed, is to, if not show a world where those ideals had triumphed, to at least show what America was like when we approached the pinnacle of freedom during the Industrial Revolution. It is the first of a trilogy, and the third novel will offer the ultimate utopian vision.

You can look at the current nightmare and despair. You ask: “how do ever get the government out of our lives?” Reformulate your question: “how do we restore freedom in America?” It may seem a trivial point, but the first question is akin to: “how do we get the cockroaches out of our kitchen?” It’s a valid question, and the cockroaches have to be eradicated, but it’s mundane and uninspiring. Restoring freedom, on the other hand, inspires, and freedom’s proponents aren’t left just pointing out the deleterious consequences of statism and coercion (even, or especially, for the so-called beneficiaries), but can instead frame the issues in terms of people building better lives for themselves and their families, unobstructed by the state, reaping their just rewards, and rediscovering respect for themselves and their fellow citizens. People need to strive for higher goals than cockroach eradication. (Even that task sounds more palatable if you reformulate it is a part of the job of making your kitchen sparkling clean.)

If we Gulchers frame our goal as restoring freedom, then that can be done in ways large and small. Realize that like all corrupt, overreaching, overextended, overly indebted governments, ours will fail. A big part of our job will be done, but if all we can offer is: “told you so, told you so,” it will not matter. Winston Churchill said, “You can always count on Americans to do the right thing—after they’ve tried everything else.” After the collapse, many Americans will be ready to try the right thing: restoring freedom. The government will be bankrupt and continuation of the welfare state and foreign adventurism will be fiscally impossible. But intellectual revolutions always precede actual revolutions, so it is now that we must make the case not just against current arrangements, but the positive case for restoring freedom, in every way that we can. That’s what leaders do.

Thoughts?


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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The eastern coast of Florida you are thinking of is at least two hours south of me, and as for that part of Florida, I would agree. When I go there, it seems like I am in a different country, not just a different area. Florida could easily be broken up into three states, based on the different cultures it has.
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  • Posted by BaritoneGary 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I had a place in New Port Ritchie, 1-1/2 acres on the gulf, but it got really crowded and I didn't like the attitudes of the northerners. Just rude. Sold it in '89. Love Texas!
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  • Posted by Temlakos 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well, we shall see. Perhaps there's a reason why, under the Constitution, no State may make anything other than gold or silver coin legal tender.
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  • Posted by BaritoneGary 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Exactly. Just as our government has taught us. I don't (as many agree) trust paper. I think you'll find a much greater acceptance of the gold/silver.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I was born in Beaumont and lived in Missouri City (near Houston). East Central Florida is even better ... for now.
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  • Posted by Temlakos 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I see. Well, in this case the printers will be the ones who do store oil in a tank. And if they do not produce that oil on demand for a certificate they issue, they've just committed fraud.
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  • Posted by BaritoneGary 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Because markets constantly change is the very reason to have everything "converted" into AU or AG, depending on the commodity. There is no price fixing, just a standard. It needs to be universally accepted. For thousands of years, gold and silver have always had a value for trade, over and above their intrinsic commercial value(s). I do not like any printed medium of exchange, because I don't trust the printers (and counterfeiters). Who is going to run the printing presses? Turn personal notes into AU or AG, then we can deal.
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  • Posted by Temlakos 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Such research should not be necessary. As I understand it, the futures markets settle minute-by-minute based on every bit of news anybody gets. The last thing we should consider is a "price control."

    I might agree to this much: publish commodity values in terms of one value standard: say the gold troy ounce. But sill allow people to carry receipts for any commodities that anyone is willing to store for others. Nor do I propose that the government involve itself in any of this.

    Think of the Mulligan Mint in Atlantis in AS. Mulligan would strike gold or silver coin on request. Now imagine as well that Ellis Wyatt were to issue scrip for the oil he brought out of the ground, or that Midas were to go into the "oil banking" business. All without any government involvement, and with no attempt to fix the value of any commodity in terms of another.

    All I'm dealing with here is the concept of Legal Tender. Legal Tender is anything of value that a court might write into its Rules as universally acceptable for the discharge of a private debt, a tax obligation, or a court judgment.
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  • Posted by BaritoneGary 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree with your concept, but logistically it is too complicated. Too much time would be required to research value. If everyone would agree to a metals standard, everything could be denominated in an easily identifiable medium, hence making commerce simple, easy and fast.
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  • Posted by BaritoneGary 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I live on the gulf coast, almost all the way down. It is a sub-tropical paradise here. Plenty of fish. Plenty of farms, wildlife, cattle, along with a real easy-going attitude. No matter what happens, I can survive here, and mostly on my own terms. I truly believe in what I am saying. So far, we have had several of our friends move here, some from Communist Maryland, and some Virginia. They all believe that we can secede and make Texas the free country that we all dream about. Come home!
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  • Posted by Temlakos 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I see what you're saying. Of course, I don't propose anyone actually take physical possession of any commodity other than coins. (When I say "coins" I mean coin minted in gold, silver, copper, or any other metal anyone might desire.)

    I had in mind letting people carry scrip denominated in certain weights or liquid volumes of commodities the scrip issuer would store in a silo, a tank farm, or other general or specialized warehouse. And to get around the fluctuation issue, I would put the onus on the merchant to offer his goods for sale in any quantity of any commodity he wished. And in this era of smartphones, I'm sure you could soon get an "app" to track commodity-exchange rates, so you could decide for yourself whether any givern merchant was offering you a good deal.

    I think you can understand why a purveyor of, say, motor fuel might gladly accept oil scrip at a more favorable rate of exchange than that at which he would accept wood scrip, or paper pulp scrip, or wheat scrip, or even gold or silver coin. Everything would depend on how much effort he would need to get the raw material he needs to produce the goods he provides.

    Now of course the merchant has a joker of a problem. His employees could use that wheat scrip to be paid in. And that's just for starters. So any merchant would have a use for any of a number of commodities, not just to make the finished product but also to pay his workers and to support other "ancillary" parts of his operation.

    What I'm really callng for is "partial enhanced barter." The enhancement would be that everyone has available to him all the information on how valuable certain commodities can be.
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  • Posted by BaritoneGary 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I submit that if you are using any form of government money in any fashion, you are somewhat a slave. You give them, whoever issues the medium of which you call money, jurisdiction into your lives through "their" money. Hence, again, the need for an independent and honest monetary system that is not governed by the world bankers.
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  • Posted by BaritoneGary 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Move to Texas, then help Texas secede. Once Texas becomes it's own nation again, then change the laws to reflect decent, honest, and moral values. Then, keep it that way. I submit that Texas will someday become the Gulch (and it can accommodate millions of like-minded individuals. Help fight for the solution.
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  • Posted by BaritoneGary 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Multiple commodities as a means of exchange is a great idea, but there may be constantly fluctuating values. That's why I believe in the metals standard. The more commodities introduces, the more cumbersome the calculations. With gold, silver, and copper, the values remain constant in their respective values and can offer stability to commodity prices. Besides, I'd rather have a couple of ounces of gold in my pocket than 26 barrels of oil in my backyard!
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  • Posted by BaritoneGary 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Follow the money! Freedom is being able to store your surplus productivity in a constant, valuable form. When you establish this, beyond the scope of any government jurisdictions, then you will begin to see freedom. Teach your children well.
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  • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    True. But this is not what I am commenting on. When people refer to 'slavery' (ie black slavery) as "the elephant in the room" they are ignoring the fact that the 'happy homemaker, child-rearer, safe port for her husband' is operating under similar explicit constraints...though far different implicit constraints. It is as if someone were to say to a Negro, "You are so superior to us that we are going to protect you from thought and decision whilst you wile away your time communing with cotton balls."

    And we bought this line. For thousands of years. Women accepted that we were superior beings, eternal children, raising other children.

    So, I am not commenting on the condition of today's world, I am commenting on how deeply people can fool themselves - all the way to the point where the generally savvy folks on this site find no fault in a comment that '[black] slavery' is 'the elephant in the room'. It is not! 50% of the human race brainwashed into non-productiveness for thousands of years is the elephant in the room; slavery pales beside this.

    Jan
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  • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 8 months ago
    In order to restore freedom, you must first identify, and then teach the principles inherent in freedom. You must live them in your life and then teach them through example to your children, friends, neighbors, and others.

    You must also stand up against those who seek for power - those who want to destroy freedom. And they will come, to be sure.

    You must teach that there is black and white. There are actions that lead to freedom and actions that lead to slavery. ALL actions have consequences and all decisions are based on moral principles of action that either maintain or erode the cause of freedom.
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  • Posted by BaritoneGary 9 years, 8 months ago
    Multiple commodities as a means of exchange is a great idea, but there may be constantly fluctuating values. That's why I believe in the metals standard. The more commodities introduces, the more cumbersome the calculations. With gold, silver, and copper, the values remain constant in their respective values and can offer stability to commodity prices. Besides, I'd rather have a couple of ounces of gold in my pocket than 160 barrels of oil in my backyard!
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  • Posted by BaritoneGary 9 years, 8 months ago
    As I see it, it all comes back to the money. There needs to be a push to restore our economy to an "honest" system. Once the standard has been raised, prosperity will begin. The biggest problem that I see, is that every thinker has their own way of fixing the problem. Rather than supporting a solution, or a system, they all wish to institute their own way (idea, system, etc.) instead of researching the existing propositions and supporting one of them. The best will survive. I have proposed a system of honest money, but I cannot get anyone to adopt it and put it into action. I believe that freedom starts with an honest monetary system. Let everyone enjoy the fruits of their labors, and all of the politics will follow. I have posted a spreadsheet with values that will work quite well. All that is needed is for people to use it! Start demanding payment in honest money and stop using the federal reserve notes. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3zC5jD...
    If you have any feedback, comments, or ideas, please let me know. I have been interested in this for at least 30+ years. I have spoken to many well versed individuals and have read many authors who have solid economic policy.
    Live long, and PROSPER!
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  • Posted by Maphesdus 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Sure, but you wouldn't be able to bring more than a small handful of people with you. A large population would require a government.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    But slavery and lack of women's ability to vote still persists in a good portion of the world.
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