Transhumanism Vs. A Conservative Death Ethos

Posted by Eudaimonia 10 years, 10 months ago to Philosophy
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This piece by Edward Hudgins in the latest Atlas Society newsletter is a pre-review of a book by Zoltan Istvan

In this short piece, Hudgins briefly addresses the central argument in Istvan's book.
He also address the argument of Wesley Smith a conservative detractor of both Istvan's argument and of Transhumanism in general.

It is not clear whether Istvan is making a case that Transhumanism is a beneficial movement.
Smith makes the case that Transhumanism is not beneficial because it is inherently selfish.
Hudgins makes the case that Transhumanism is not only beneficial but compatible with Objectivism precisely because it is selfish.

I find Transhumanism disconcerting.
Aristotle speaks of form and function being integral to each other.
He also speaks of human ethics being integral to this form and function.
Ayn Rand resurrected Aristotle's approach to ethics: "man qua man".

As an Objectivist, I believe that Aristotle and Rand are correct in their approach to the question of human ethics.
Marxists consider men evil and imperfect because men are not and yet should be ants, bees, or some other collective hive-mind insect.
Smith considers the Transhumanist possibility of immortality to be selfish because men are and should be plants which must "go to seed".
Transhumanists consider "man" to be a phase which man is passing through.
None of these lines of thought address the Objectivist ethical tenet of "man qua man".

Transhumanism strikes me as inherently Nietzschean.
If the Transhumanist possibility of immortality succeeds, then we would no longer be longer "men".
It is not only humanism which will have been transformed, but according to Nietzsche and Aristotle our values as well.
What then would be our ethic?

My concern is not of a Luddite nature.
It is more "Popeye" - "I am what I am".

Your comments are welcome.


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    Posted by Maphesdus 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Go to the ant, you sluggard; consider its ways and be wise!"
    — Proverbs 6:6
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  • Posted by CarolSeer2014 10 years, 10 months ago
    And just how are they to be overcome? What is to replace whatever it was we had to begin with? Who is to be the determinator--the eugenicist, the POTUS, who?
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  • Posted by CarolSeer2014 10 years, 10 months ago
    Just looked up the definition of Transhumanism in Wikipedia. Didn't get too far before I had to ask "Who is to determine which are the "present limitations and miserable conditions" that are to be overcome?
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  • Posted by CarolSeer2014 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Maybe your question: "Why should God be moral"
    is really: "Does God have the same morals he (might) expect us to have?"
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  • Posted by CarolSeer2014 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Before you question why God should be moral, perhaps you should define morality and morals---
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 10 months ago
    Regarding a future stage of life if there is such a thing, I will have lived a life worthy of entrance into that life. Whatever happens ... happens, and whatever doesn't happen was never meant to be.
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  • Posted by wiggys 10 years, 10 months ago
    I have for years read this one and that one trying to refute the mind of Ayn Rand, and all fail. she was absolutely brilliant and the fact that AS has been the largest selling book in the world and the most influential speaks volumes for itself. all of these "critics" will continue to try and will fail. reading this book will only be a waste of time.
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  • Posted by johnmahler 10 years, 10 months ago
    I like Science Fiction as much as any one else. Having an eye on the economy and political current events, I have little to credit the belief this prophesy will ever be realized. The aspiration of politicians is always more power over humans because machines don't vote, even intelligent machines because voting machines are routinely compromised. Long before such half breed machines could be built, the global economy will collapse increasing human dependence on government. Machine / humans would be all powerful and obviate the need for government dependency.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 10 years, 10 months ago
    The future of humanity is more complex than the transhumanists thinking. We have reached the point in our scientific development that we are the first species capable of what I call "self-determinant evolution". Succinctly, that phrase means we are no longer bound by natural law in the direction of our biological transformation.

    There are several paths this self-evolution might take: genetic engineering, with life extension only one of many options (enhanced sensory or physical capabilities as a possibility); bioengineering, with the ability to replace failed body components with superior organic components; cyborg enhancement, by the merging of human and robotic elements; possibly other paths that are outside the scope of my imagination.

    The social implications of any of these futures will be challenging, since some will resist such changes as unnatural. How does a society handle the situation where some are truly superior, yet still cling to the notion of equal rights?
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  • Posted by $ blarman 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "So, the more powerful you become, the less moral you become?"

    What if power is derived from morality - not independently from it? Then morality in and of itself becomes the pathway to power - not to mention the ultimate guide on how it is used. Food for thought.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Wrong.

    Christians do not think humans should be ants, bees or some other collective hive-mind.

    Marxists do.
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    Posted by Maphesdus 10 years, 10 months ago
    "Marxists consider men evil and imperfect because men are not and yet should be ants, bees, or some other collective hive-mind insect."
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    Replace "Marxists" with "Christians" and you'd be correct.
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 10 years, 10 months ago
    I think life extension and enhancement are wonderful applications of man's minds, but I wonder most of all about the impact to human evolution. Does any developmental stage of man have an ethical right to essentially halt evolution at that point? Or would we arrive at enclaves of norms to observe future evolution and judge it.? Or have we already reached the point that natural evolution has reached the point that it's time for technological evolution to replace it?
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Transhumanism in the Bible and the Second Coming of Jesus" -- it can mean anything, I guess... But for that, I would recommend just keeping to the narrow functional meaning expressed by Ed Hudgins in the Atlas Society essay. The first would be _directly_ modifying our DNA. Yes, every animal does that when the females choose the best competitor male; for humans, women marry good providers. But Transhumanism is beyond that. It is the DIRECT modification of our DNA, the DIRECT modification of our chemistry with materials not found in nature, even megavitamins. I just took 25000 IU of vitamin A. Do you have any idea how many carrots that represents? I can only imagine...
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 10 years, 10 months ago
    I note what Circuit Guy wrote (in the original topic thread):"When a new technology makes the death rate fall, the birth rate actually increases at first and then falls. Even though birth rate > the death rate, our production capabilities keep growing with population. If you educate all people, this problem will solve itself without state planning." He calls it "education" and that is correct, but the consequential factor is _culture_. Education changes the culture. New ideas improve the standard of living.
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That is an excellent point, Commander, and one not addressed by Hudgins. Ayn Rand claimed that our mortality is the basis of morality. She asserted that an indestructible robot could have no morality because no choice would be consequential. That of course applies to God. Why should God be moral? The problem is that this reductio ad absurdum involves a l-o-n-g line of reductions. In other words, a new-born baby, being totally helpless has the most need for morality - and absolutely no way to understand or achieve it. Damn, that's harsh... But ok... So, the more powerful you become, the less moral you become? Automobiles, antibiotics, mathematics, they all incrementally remove ever more from us the need for morality? That just seems wrong.
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree, kh, and I think that this could be a different discussion. I do not know what standards could apply that justify the one "performance enhancement" but not the other. It is known that kids on campus get the drugs for combating ADHD so they can focus while studying. Would it not make more sense to just open up the market and let such things be developed openly and correctly. I mean, you should be able to put your finger in a reader and get the prescription that is right for you.

    Then, think of something obvious and common like speaking foreign languages. Only a few thousand years ago, most people had a hard time speaking one. Every language you learn increases your range and depth of thinking.
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Like you, I see plusses and minuses here, depending on who is motivated and for what.

    Handguns let some people rule over others, but then, everyone could have one and they lost their advantage. Alternately - and more positively - advertising became a special study. People complained about being "manipulated." Now it is all common knowledge, and - more to the point - we all use the same tools, as for instance, this post began with "Like you..."

    The point is that every technology spreads to those who want it; and as it is replicated, the costs of production and delivery go down. So, even more can afford whatever is new and better.
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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 10 years, 10 months ago
    Interesting. I do not fear life extension or worry about exploding populations. It has been demonstrated that people will have fewer children when local populations increase. Accidents will continue to take lives and nature is always providing new ways of controlling the population. I've always been intrigued by the thought of having one's id placed in a robotic body and living on... Past attempts at things like cryogenics seem like silly pipe dreams...
    Nietzschean... now that notion, if taken to create superior beings likely to rule over others is proffered, I am a apprehensive.
    On the other hand it is not dying that scares me... it is living under tyranny...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ4pO7Ih8...
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  • Posted by 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I've not looked into Transhumanism enough to know all of the different factions.

    I make my opinion on what I understand to be the common view of Transhumanism in general: that "man" is a phase which man is passing through.
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  • Posted by khalling 10 years, 10 months ago
    I probably fall into the Objectivist camp, but even then its fuzzy. One wonders what is the distinction between this and performance enhancing drugs. As long as they do not pose a major health concern, why are vitamin regimens and work-outs with technologically advanced machines ok but some steroid version is not? You aren't less human because you're missing a leg, why would you be less human with a 3 D printed bionic one? The six million dollar man (adjusted for inflation) will always be a hot MAN to me.
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  • Posted by Commander 10 years, 10 months ago
    Have you bounced this off of "The Objectivists Ethics"?
    What might we base "values" upon if we have unlimited life, barring accident. My mind's eye envisions "Gort"....The Day the Earth Stood Still.
    I do like the mental masturbation though! lol!
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