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What I'm Seeing Now

Posted by Abaco 3 weeks, 6 days ago to News
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If you find yourself in a hospital get the hell out as fast as you can. I wanted to fill in the blanks more, but I'll just leave it at that. Keep your hands clean and avoid highly populated and/or crowded areas. American health care isn't as good as it could be...


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  • Posted by $ blarman 3 weeks, 5 days ago
    All I'm seeing is unnecessary panic. Many of the hospitals in my area actually laid off doctors and nurses because they geared entirely for the COVID-19 patients - and none came. We've had only a few hundred cases total and few have required ventilators. And still the governor is dithering on re-opening businesses for "fear" of a second wave...
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    • Posted by 3 weeks, 5 days ago
      Yeah, the threat appears to have been overstated. That's good. I just got off the phone with a major healthcare provider this morning, modifying four floors of a half-used med-surg tower for COVID. We parted with, "Let's hope we don't need it."
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  • Posted by freedomforall 3 weeks, 6 days ago
    C'mon, Abaco. More details if you can.
    I've been in agreement with your statement on hospitals for years, but I sense you have more current data to share.
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    • Posted by 3 weeks, 6 days ago
      Some doctors are making the operating rooms negative pressure. Shouldn't do that. See my earlier thread on oxygen systems in hospitals. Many healthcare providers seem to not understand the physics on those systems. Note the poor outcome rate with them...

      As I type this I can overhear the news on the tv (my wife likes to leave that garbage on) saying that very close to home here they are going to start fining people who don't wear face coverings. Can't help but chuckle...
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      • Posted by Lucky 3 weeks, 6 days ago
        Pressure, does it make a difference?
        The way I see it, no, any problem is with the source of the airflow in each room.

        So I suggest- filter and treat all airflow in and out per room,
        at least when there is a procedure going on,
        and especially when the patient is very sensitive, and/or is a source of infection.

        I particularly like the new idea, old knowledge, of using UV lamps in air ducting for disinfecting the harmful micro-organisms.

        There are reports of cross infection in hospitals. So, the point has merit, yes hospitals are very strict about disinfecting by wiping, but may be ignoring risks from airborne transmission of nasties.
        Opening windows more may help sometimes, but air filtering, and UV, seems to be the way to go.
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        • Posted by 3 weeks, 6 days ago
          Design of ORs is pretty involved. I love it. There's a lot of science behind it and it's one area I work to stay on the cutting edge of.

          FWIW - UV can be used with success. If I were to us it I'd aim it at the cooling coil, and keep it well maintained.

          Oh, and yes - room pressure is vital to infection control.
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      • Posted by mccannon01 3 weeks, 4 days ago
        Negative pressure? Doesn't make sense to me. I would think it would be better to be pumping purified sterile air into the room as opposed to sucking in whatever is out side.
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      • Posted by freedomforall 3 weeks, 6 days ago
        iirc, your earlier comments were that the oxygen systems weren't designed to deliver the pressure of oxygen required by many patients requiring it simultaneously.
        Are you saying that the same systems are being used for negative pressure and that is making delivery of oxygen to critical patients even worse?
        Please excuse my lack of even rudimentary knowledge on this topic as I am a neophyte in this area.
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        • Posted by 3 weeks, 6 days ago
          No. They are two different problems. The plumbing of oxygen systems was not designed for a respirator to run in every patient room at the same time. The pipes are there. They just weren't sized for it. They weren't designed for a pandemic.

          Operating rooms are supposed to be positive pressure as one of the measures to keep bacteria out of the room and surgical site. The airflow in an operating room is complicated. Some out there think making the room negative protects everybody but the person being operating on. They're knowledge and priorities should both be questioned. Note - I've not seen a lot of this second problem.

          I've seen bureaucrats making technical decisions. That's when you see things like brand new 737s crashing and space shuttles blowing up on the launch...
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  • Posted by $ pixelate 3 weeks, 5 days ago
    I agree. Since I am a mountain climber, my mother will send me links to articles regarding "climbing fatalities." -- because she cares. She is a type 2 diabetic. So I send her links to how a change in behavior (diet) can eliminate the symptoms that she suffers from T2D. No response. I have also shared links related to deaths in hospitals ...
    100k a year dead due to contracting an infection while in hospital -- infection having no relation to the ailment that requires the patient to be in the hospital.
    100k a year dead due to incorrect Rx while patient is in the hospital.
    ... And other elements of incompetence... just so long as the hospital bills get paid.

    Before I retired (30 year software engineer) I invested 20+ years in the Electronic Health Records space ... many of the doctors that I spoke to at conferences indicated that 70-80% of hospital visits, procedures, treatments could be eliminated via a change in the patient's behavior ... things to eliminate -- drugs (smoking, drinking, etc), inactivity, etc... things to add: improved hydration, diet, sleep. All things that are readily controllable at the individual level. However -- lots of folks are defined by their ailments. Mom has her T2D. Others have their bad back (which often coincides with obesity ... "Mr. Jones, I suspect your back pain would be reduced if you reduced your midriff by 30 pounds").

    Long Story Short (as my dad likes to say) ... Staying out of hospitals has been one of the side-effects to living a clean and simple life. Stay healthy out there.
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    • Posted by 3 weeks, 4 days ago
      Yes, very interesting. I have remained illness-free for 15 years straight (knock on wood). The only time I go in to see my doctor is when I damage something being reckless or over-active for my age. No shots. No pharmaceuticals. Nothing. Lots of fish and vegetables. Drives them crazy at times, but I can see the little smiles as though they are saying, "This guy's on to us..." Haha. I work in healthcare and I've even been involved in some studies firsthand, and have read well over 100 studies on topics from pharmaceuticals, viruses and diet. I have to in order to be good at my work.

      I occasionally speak to different technical groups on medical information. I use statistics like 108,000 killed every year by known EXPECTED prescription drug side effects. Hospital acquired infections kill the equivalent of crashing a fully-loaded 737 every day. Around 225,000 people die every year that would have otherwise lived had they not gone in to get medical treatment. These are (or were) CDC statistics.

      The story yet to be told is about the childhood vaccine schedule. That one is a barn-burner...
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      • Posted by $ pixelate 3 weeks, 4 days ago
        Thanks for the thoughts. It is curious to read and see what is deemed "acceptable" in terms of cause for loss of life. All the best to staying actively involved in personal health and minimizing contact with hospitals in context of being a patient.
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      • Posted by Lucky 3 weeks, 4 days ago
        The little smiles-
        maybe they are thinking something else?
        This is a criticism, but of who?
        Can the experts be wrong? Has been known.
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        • Posted by 3 weeks, 4 days ago
          Yeah, well we can't read minds.

          Several years ago I had a doctor I really liked. She ended up eventually quitting that practice and going to work for the American Indians. She looked at my chart and said, "I see you're way behind on your tetanus vaccine." "Hasn't tetanus been eradicated?" "Uh, yes." "Only a couple cases per year in the US, right?" "Yes, that's right." "And, if I get it I can be cured with antibiotics." "That's right....but it's very painful!" "It was eradicated with the automobile. Shot still has mercury, and aluminum?" "Yes." "I think I'll take my chances." (she smiled that smile...)

          The experts are whomever people agree with. And, they can be full of s*&t...
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          • Posted by Lucky 3 weeks, 3 days ago
            Good story. My experience is different, I get jabbed for most everything, still alive, I think.
            Tetanus- yes not now widespread. . Jab still recommended if you are in a place with a poor health system.
            I have just had my winter (southern hemisphere) jab for flu. They say, works for 3 or 4 months, and 60% effective, not sure exactly what that means. At 60% the user (patient/victim) should take all the precautions they would as if not jabbed.
            There is more to this vaccination subject than meets the eye.

            Whenever I hear the word 'expert' I get the heebijeebs,
            time there was a medication for that.
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            • Posted by 3 weeks, 3 days ago
              Do you know causes tetanus? I'm still surprised how many people don't know. The ole "rusty nail" story is a bit of a wives tail. I'd call it 5% truth. The remaining 95% requires barn animals...haha....
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              • Posted by Lucky 3 weeks, 3 days ago
                While I do not know the cause, and am too lazy to do a search, I have an idea that you will remedy this deficiency- if asked politely - ta.
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                • Posted by 3 weeks, 2 days ago
                  Ha! Yeah. Barn animals pee in a barn. There's a board with a nail sticking up...a rusty nail. Farmer steps on nail. Can't irrigate the wound. Get's lock jaw. People still think it was the rusty nail. No. It's the barn animal pee that doesn't get washed out of the wound. If I were a rancher I'd consider getting vaxed. If I liked everything in the vax and didn't consider it any risk at all I'd also consider getting vaxed. You can probably see my deduction there.
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  • Posted by rhfinle 3 weeks, 4 days ago
    I think, after all this, there should be a systematic re-evaluation of hospital design, ventilation design, Air system design, the works for hospitals, The current design paradigms are obviously woefully inadequate. There is an opportunity here for engineers and architects to make a fortune designing new systems, which medical companies will require because the government will mandate changes.
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  • Posted by Stormi 3 weeks, 5 days ago
    They want us in masks, which are breeding grounds for any virus passing through. They love drugs. Tehy crave vaccines, even though many are allergic, and the we have no idea what Bill Gates puts in his, just that he keeps talking the need to decrease the population by millions. Give me fresh iar, vitamins, and freedom, avoid doctors as much as possible.
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    • Posted by $ Dobrien 3 weeks, 3 days ago
      I had to read Stormi twice to make sure I did not write this comment . The technocrats (scientific governance) from the WHO the CDC and MainStream Media’s collaboration mirrors the Global warming scam using fear and phony numbers and dreamed up by the Rockefeller’s are the commonality. I have been counting the idiots I see out hiking or driving alone wearing a mask.
      Brainwashed Stepford wives syndrome.
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