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Star Trek Prime Directive Meets Ayn Rand

Posted by dbhalling 10 years, 8 months ago to Philosophy
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First of all let me say that I cannot believe I am doing an analysis of the Star Trek prime directive. The prime directive states:
“As the right of each sentient species to live in accordance with its normal cultural evolution is considered sacred, no Star Fleet personnel may interfere with the healthy development of alien life and culture. Such interference includes the introduction of superior knowledge, strength, or technology to a world whose society is incapable of handling such advantages wisely. Star Fleet personnel may not violate this Prime Directive, even to save their lives and/or their ship unless they are acting to right an earlier violation or an accidental contamination of said culture. This directive takes precedence over any and all other considerations, and carries with it the highest moral obligation.”

The associated prohibitions are given below (according to Jbrenner)

1. Providing knowledge of technologies or science
2. Taking actions to generally affect a society's overall development
3. Taking actions which support one faction within a society over another
4. Helping a society escape the negative consequences of its own actions
5. Helping a society escape a natural disaster known to the society, even if inaction would result in a society's extinction.
6. Subverting or avoiding the application of a society's laws
7. Interfering in the internal affairs of a society


What would Ayn Rand say about the prime directive. I bet her first question would be what is a sentient species? According to dictionary “sentient” means “able to perceive or feel things.” Well cows, cats, dogs, and many other species can perceive or feel things, in fact much simpler organisms would fit this definition. Based on this definition Rand would state that only rational beings have rights. Rand defined the hierarchy of knowledge integration as sensation, precepts, and conceptual. She explains it perceptual in this example.

“An animal is guided, not merely by immediate sensations, but by percepts. Its actions are not single, discrete responses to single, separate stimuli, but are directed by an integrated awareness of the perceptual reality confronting it. It is able to grasp the perceptual concretes immediately present and it is able to form automatic perceptual associations, but it can go no further.”

My guess is that Rand would then ask what is “normal cultural evolution.” Is it normal cultural evolution to allow Rachel Carson to convince countries to ban DDT and cause 100 million deaths? Is it normal cultural evolution to allow Mao to institute the cultural revolution that will starve over 30 million people to death? There is no such thing a normal cultural evolution. But it rings of Marxist ideas of a scientific progression of society.
Then Rand would ask why normal cultural evolution is considered sacred. According to the dictionary sacred means “connected with God (or the gods) or dedicated to a religious purpose and so deserving veneration.” Rand would reject anything based on an appeal to a deity. The proof of the first sentence of the prime directive rests on an appeal to faith, not reason.
It is clear the Prime Directive is based on faith, not reason and is immoral from the first sentence. I will not take on the rest of the directive but I will look at the prohibitions. The first prohibition is “Providing knowledge of technologies or science.” Given that directive was directed to species that are “able to perceive or feel things” this is almost meaningless. Most species that able to perceive are not able to understand or take advantage of knowledge.
But what about rational beings? Why would you not provide knowledge of technologies or science? Does this mean we cannot teach our kids science and technology? That would clearly be immoral. Your objection might be that they are within our culture, but what about African cultures? Should we have not introduced DDT, or steam engines, or the Internet? While we have no obligation to introduce these sciences and technologies, to purposely prohibit them would be immoral.
All the prohibitions and the prime directives are based group think (and written by Hollywood TV writers!). The word society is mentioned nine times in the Prime Directive and in the prohibitions. Individual is not mentioned once. Societies are based on a collection of people and only have rights based on the rights of the individuals, who make up the society, but none separate from them.
Start Trek’s Prime Directive is an inherently Socialist Ideal and Evil.



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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Actually the comparison between the Prime Directive and foreign policy goals was a response to an earlier post regarding whether virtue or freedom must come first. The virtue must come first. "Freed peoples" don't stay free for long.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Robbie wrote "It is necessary for each participant to be wary of what they share and how. I don't know that you'd want to sell a nuclear bomb to a newly discovered species, even one based on pacifist ideology - or perhaps especially not one based on a pacifist ideology. They would have no concept of the destructive power and might do something unintentionally." This is the main point of the Prime Directive. When a society or an individual "comes of age", with the proper virtues in place and responsibility exhibited, that society or individual can be welcomed into the trade community.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, they do have a long way to go on the property rights aspect, and that is more evidence of the merits of the first prohibition of the Prime Directive. Several, most notably db, are telling me that the Prime Directive is a lot of negative things that it really isn't. The Prime Directive is wisdom when dealing with foreign cultures until such cultures prove themselves worthy (respect for property rights, human rights, stability from leader to leader, etc.).
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, I think it would be a pretty good foreign policy. That is what started this discussion.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    China has a long way to go on the property rights aspect. They produce wonderfully, just have a problem with stealing the IP of those who created what they then make.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Based on your moral code. Theirs appears to be different. Medically, we know that this practice is problematic if the consumed items are not brought up to 160 Deg F for 30 secs or more to kill the bacteria. Otherwise, the practice is more a matter of community propriety.

    Heinlein's Stranger provides interesting commentary on the practice of cannibalism, including the ritualistic form practiced by the Christian religions (and what is your view of transubstantiation?).

    Is that enough of a tangential off-shoot from the original subject of the thread? I can do better, but I'm tired.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And who would decide? And by what criteria?

    It was a "plot device" which was used as a mechanism to add drama/plot twists and shouldn't be considered as anything more substantial than that. Anybody promoting it as national or world policy?
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Correct, but it is necessary for each participant to be wary of what they share and how. I don't know that you'd want to sell a nuclear bomb to a newly discovered species, even one based on pacifist ideology - or perhaps especially not one based on a pacifist ideology. They would have no concept of the destructive power and might do something unintentionally.

    The biggest problem that I have with the PD is that it is based on a fundamental tenet that interaction is bad and "unnatural." What poppycock. What would be unnatural would be to be kept in a fishbowl. Observed but not interacted with.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Cuba as a nation, but what about individual Cubans? I'd hate to have to bear the burden of what has been foisted upon us by our current political leadership - most of which I vehemently oppose.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I remember how Susan Calvin destroyed a robot's positronic brain with one word:

    "LIAR!"

    My favorite Asimov robot stories were Caves of Steel, Robots of Dawn and The Naked Sun

    Did your discussion of the 3 laws ever include the Prime Directive from "With Folded Hands"? (later named "The Humanoids").

    "To serve and protect and guard men from harm".
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yup. Read some Kipling and you'll see its use. Ferenghi was a vulgarism much like gaijin or kaffir or rabbiblanco... or cracker.

    "Kaffir" is derived from kafiri, or "unbeliever". in "The Man Who Would Be King", Kipling referred to the land to which Danny and Peachy traveled "Kafiristan"... land of the unbelievers.

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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You bring up the moral relativism argument a lot, db. I assure you that I am such a black and white kind of person that I get criticized often for being intolerant.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Cuba is unworthy of the benefits of capitalism based on their rejection of it. When a society embraces capitalism, then it becomes worthy of its benefits. As for China, they realized the error of their ways, and as they move toward a society based on honoring AR values, they will also reap the benefits. The key step is that the less advanced society has to WANT to improve. That is what makes them worthy of invitation into a productive society.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The question is whether the PD makes any sense. Societies do not have rights - it doesn't matter whether that from Star Fleet or a government or whoever. There is no such thing as "normal culture evolution". The whole thing is nonsense.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Blarman got db quite clearly on this one, and used precisely the examples I had thought of myself.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Only some people are rational. Producers are rational. Many people are irrational, and trogwolf is exactly right on this one. The moochers and their looter masters think it is rational that we should serve them at our own expense.

    Robbie was right about a month ago. You do not understand, or fail to account for, the human nature of looters and moochers.

    Michael Savage once said that "Liberalism is a mental disorder." Liberals are irrational, and the mental disorder of liberalism is a combination of Freudian denial and projection.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    db and Solver are correct on this one, until a bunch of looters and moochers decide to outvote us or use force us to make us serve them. Both looters and moochers lack either the ability or the willingness to use reason. Should we call them animals and savages?
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  • Posted by $ blarman 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Uh, in the Star Trek universe, the technology used by Star Fleet is owned by Star Fleet. Similar to military contractors today (and probably just as corrupt), they fund research with the goal of advancing their ships' capabilities, but they own the technology (or at least have exclusive rights to it). I can think of at least two episodes off the top of my head where the Enterprise is engaged in checking on Federation research posts for one reason or another. One is where Riker gets accused of murder when the original scientist is actually researching weapons, another is a segue so Data can evaluate the intelligence (and its philosophical ramifications) of the Exocomps.

    If the Federation itself weren't the owners of the technology, then I would say you might have a point, but in the theoretical universe of Star Trek, that just isn't the case. I might also point out, however, that only the Federation takes this stance. The Romulans and especially the Ferengi had zero compunctions about selling advanced (even illegal) technology to the highest bidders.
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  • Posted by Technocracy 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Your post here should also apply to people here.

    I.E. taking people to task for deeming them not logical or rational "enough"

    This is not aimed at you DB - just an observation
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