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Star Trek Prime Directive Meets Ayn Rand

Posted by dbhalling 10 years, 8 months ago to Philosophy
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First of all let me say that I cannot believe I am doing an analysis of the Star Trek prime directive. The prime directive states:
“As the right of each sentient species to live in accordance with its normal cultural evolution is considered sacred, no Star Fleet personnel may interfere with the healthy development of alien life and culture. Such interference includes the introduction of superior knowledge, strength, or technology to a world whose society is incapable of handling such advantages wisely. Star Fleet personnel may not violate this Prime Directive, even to save their lives and/or their ship unless they are acting to right an earlier violation or an accidental contamination of said culture. This directive takes precedence over any and all other considerations, and carries with it the highest moral obligation.”

The associated prohibitions are given below (according to Jbrenner)

1. Providing knowledge of technologies or science
2. Taking actions to generally affect a society's overall development
3. Taking actions which support one faction within a society over another
4. Helping a society escape the negative consequences of its own actions
5. Helping a society escape a natural disaster known to the society, even if inaction would result in a society's extinction.
6. Subverting or avoiding the application of a society's laws
7. Interfering in the internal affairs of a society


What would Ayn Rand say about the prime directive. I bet her first question would be what is a sentient species? According to dictionary “sentient” means “able to perceive or feel things.” Well cows, cats, dogs, and many other species can perceive or feel things, in fact much simpler organisms would fit this definition. Based on this definition Rand would state that only rational beings have rights. Rand defined the hierarchy of knowledge integration as sensation, precepts, and conceptual. She explains it perceptual in this example.

“An animal is guided, not merely by immediate sensations, but by percepts. Its actions are not single, discrete responses to single, separate stimuli, but are directed by an integrated awareness of the perceptual reality confronting it. It is able to grasp the perceptual concretes immediately present and it is able to form automatic perceptual associations, but it can go no further.”

My guess is that Rand would then ask what is “normal cultural evolution.” Is it normal cultural evolution to allow Rachel Carson to convince countries to ban DDT and cause 100 million deaths? Is it normal cultural evolution to allow Mao to institute the cultural revolution that will starve over 30 million people to death? There is no such thing a normal cultural evolution. But it rings of Marxist ideas of a scientific progression of society.
Then Rand would ask why normal cultural evolution is considered sacred. According to the dictionary sacred means “connected with God (or the gods) or dedicated to a religious purpose and so deserving veneration.” Rand would reject anything based on an appeal to a deity. The proof of the first sentence of the prime directive rests on an appeal to faith, not reason.
It is clear the Prime Directive is based on faith, not reason and is immoral from the first sentence. I will not take on the rest of the directive but I will look at the prohibitions. The first prohibition is “Providing knowledge of technologies or science.” Given that directive was directed to species that are “able to perceive or feel things” this is almost meaningless. Most species that able to perceive are not able to understand or take advantage of knowledge.
But what about rational beings? Why would you not provide knowledge of technologies or science? Does this mean we cannot teach our kids science and technology? That would clearly be immoral. Your objection might be that they are within our culture, but what about African cultures? Should we have not introduced DDT, or steam engines, or the Internet? While we have no obligation to introduce these sciences and technologies, to purposely prohibit them would be immoral.
All the prohibitions and the prime directives are based group think (and written by Hollywood TV writers!). The word society is mentioned nine times in the Prime Directive and in the prohibitions. Individual is not mentioned once. Societies are based on a collection of people and only have rights based on the rights of the individuals, who make up the society, but none separate from them.
Start Trek’s Prime Directive is an inherently Socialist Ideal and Evil.



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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'll give up the immigration issue if we only controlled the voter roles. Since some people don't have all their digits, I'm in favor of a purple dot right in the middle of the forehead.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Would you allow just anyone to come in and say whatever they please in GaltsGulchOnline? Not all people are assets. In the Gulch, there are some trolls. In the larger world, there are looters and moochers that you wouldn't want in your society. Open borders is an invitation to looters, moochers, and trolls.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Repealing the welfare state would be a great benefit, but have you considered why we have it? Teddy Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, FDR, LBJ, Jimmy Carter, and Barack Obama, all looters of the highest order, achieved their ability to wreck American exceptionalism through socialist policies by getting the votes of moochers. One must control immigration policy properly to have such exceptionalism.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Only until the other society is determined to be stable enough for productive relationships. Blarman's explanation regarding handing a young child a loaded gun is a perfect example. The child has to prove himself/herself trustworthy first.
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  • Posted by xthinker88 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So if we travel 500 light years and find a planet of stone age humanoids, what interactions ought to be permissible?

    It seems to me that one could at least tentatively make the argument that ANY interaction, whether for good or ill, is likely to be extremely coercive in a way that peaceful interactions between members of the same society would not be. I think it was Arthur C Clarke that said something to the effect of any sufficiently advanced technology will appear as magic to those who are less advanced.

    So is it possible that not having the PD and allowing unlimited interactions is really closely morally equivalent to forcing the un-advanced civilization to develop in a way to our own liking?
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  • Posted by xthinker88 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree then. The PD makes no sense when applied to any situation on earth. It can be evaluated with regard to morality in relation to contact with other species in space.

    To some extent though it seems that PD most closely resembles the isolationism strategy proposed during the 30's. Rather than the Monroe doctrine which, instead of causing non interference, merely insured that ONLY the US could interfere in the western hemisphere.
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  • Posted by khalling 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    x, this all started because people were making comparisons between the PD and foreign policy goals. That is the point of the post. Treating other societies as different species, I agree is absurd. The PD does not apply. However, we can still have a valid discussion on the moral and rational aspects of the PD. The idea that you are not "allowed" to influence another "species" whom are rational beings would be immoral. Individuals have the right to trade and share knowledge. It's how all cultures advance. Boycotting Cuba hasn't made a difference in spreading capitalism to Cuba. Trading with China-wow-capitalism has a foothold now. The PD would be a shitty foreign policy plan.
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  • Posted by xthinker88 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The PD is about not interfering in the development (or lack thereof) of other species on other planets encountered during space travel.

    It has absolutely nothing whatsoever to say about our own species or our own planet. There is no logical inconsistency here.

    Any comparison to any previous earth-bound situation will be lacking by definition. That said, when I'm in France, I need to follow French laws. That does not have any implication whatsoever as to what laws ought to be passed in the US.

    There is a pretty clear demarcation here logically (other planets/species vs our planet/species). I'm not really sure how you can't see that.
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  • Posted by KDanagger 10 years, 8 months ago
    Star trek writers obviously had mixed philosophical viewpoints over the years. On the positive side, TNG series had a positive reflection on the evils of collectivism and the importance of the individual. i.e. the Borg and Jean-Luc Picard's ongoing battle with them.
    Also Kathryn Janeway's battle with them in Voyager.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Non-citizens do not have a natural or an individual right or a Constitutional right to come to America. Any country has the duty to adopt an immigration policy.

    From http://www.redstate.com/diary/ken_taylor...
    The two references in the Constitution that specifically mention , “naturalization, ” are found in Article I, Section 8 in creating the authority of the Congress, “To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization.” Thus from a Constitutional stand point it is the responsibility of Congress to establish all laws and rules of naturalization or immigration.

    Congress has made laws regarding immigration and naturalization that have been completely ignored in recent generations.

    I will grant that my criteria are somewhat subjective. That is the reason for a proper evaluation period.

    Anyone who has made a product before knows that if you accept any amount of any impurity into the feedstock, the product that you will produce will be unacceptable. What we have done in recent generations is accept any amount of people with no discrimination whatsoever regarding the value that they can bring into America and no discrimination regarding tendency toward lawlessness. What we have obtrained is a permanent underclass of moochers who overwhelm our vote to keep their looter masters in place over them and us both.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Current technology can tell us about minearls below the surface, but that presumes that we can actually get that technology to Atlantis. That is a costly endeavor, even if technically feasible.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I am for many immigrants coming to America who have something of value to provide and honor the legal process that was set up before the "enemy domestic" in the White House changed everything. What we have now is an invasion.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Absolutely I meant to exclude terrorists, carriers of disease, etc. Thanks for the addition.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The immigrants of old may not have known English, but they made an effort to learn it or at least insist that their kids learn it. Many of this year's "immigrants" are not even literate in their own language.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The reason for an American university is so that the individuals can be examined on an individual basis prior to full immigration. I will readily admit that most universities other than mine are cesspools of liberalism.
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    Posted by trogwolf 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Anyone had a right to overthrow the dictatorships of Japan and Iraq, and did not have to wait for a Pearl Harbor or its equivalent from either." Now you are talking about the natural right of Survival of the fittest, that I mentioned earlier. Where MIGHT MAKES RIGHT.
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  • Posted by ewv 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ayn Rand was quite willing to say what is and isn't moral, too. She said that she wrote Atlas Shrugged to show what her idea of the ideal man meant, and properly defended the principle that morality is objective.

    Anyone had a right to overthrow the dictatorships of Japan and Iraq, and did not have to wait for a Pearl Harbor or its equivalent from either. That right does not make it proper for a _government_ to undertake such charity without a justification in national defense, which was the criterion in both cases. The expensive "nation-building" afterwords had no such justification.
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