Is name calling necessary?

Posted by minesayn 10 months, 2 weeks ago to Philosophy
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Is it possible to have a discussion here without invoking name calling or snotty nicknames of those people who are disliked?


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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 10 months, 2 weeks ago
    It's red blooded American to call out government officials, politicians and self serving celebrities.

    Those we call out,..earned it and only have themselves to blame.
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    • Posted by 10 months, 2 weeks ago
      Calling out is fine, but to change names to something offensive and/or disgusting, not so much in my opinion because it shuts down discourse.
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      • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 10 months, 2 weeks ago
        I have observed that those that are called creative or indicative names will not contribute to any discourse, pro or con...they just repeat their rehearsed mantra. Be reminded that these people are considered "Elite", YOUR rulers or Godly Celebrities to be followed by puppy dogs and sheep. I prefer to tell it like it is. Most of these people are parasitical humanoids...parasitical describes itself while humanoids are non conscious entities with no conscience, not aware of their own behavior and have no mutuality with the human race...another word for them would be: The Great Unwashed. No conscious human would assume power over another like they do, all the while it's clear that they have no talent but to make you think they do.

        Would you still be respectful to someone that clearly does not respect you?

        I'll agree, face to face...I'd love to say: "But I don't think of you, Mr Toohey."
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        • Posted by 10 months, 2 weeks ago
          Thank you for your opinion, Olduglycarl. I asked, and you answered.
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          • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 10 months, 2 weeks ago
            Not so much and opinion but an observation and study over 10 years into the history of the rulers of mankind for the past 8000 years.

            Mankind's evolution into Conscious Introspection, something 60% of the population still has not achieved...including the majority of the "Ruleless" Delete class.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 10 months, 2 weeks ago
    I was called stupid here last week. It didn't really contribute to the conversation, now that you mention it. Haven't noticed much of that here, really.
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    • Posted by 10 months, 2 weeks ago
      I am sorry to hear that, Abaco. Nobody deserves that, and you are right, it doesn't contribute to the discussion. It actually shuts it down.

      I guess what I am trying to say about name calling is this:
      To me, if someone wishes to talk about a political leader, use their name as it is, not some made-up disparaging name. Why does it have to be insulting moniker? Am I making any sense here? Commander? edweaver? AJAshineoff? Abaco?
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      • Posted by $ Commander 10 months, 2 weeks ago
        Perfect sense. When I see the following posted here: Leftist, Democrap.Hildebeast, .....etc, I reflect to one of my favorite TV characters......Archie Bunker. I cannot help but feel sorry for the conditions that bring about the derisive, separatist terms. I do understand the source. Emotional expression of frustration and ignorance and condition of self esteem. Janet Hagberg's "Real Power" and Morris Massey video lecture, if you can get a copy, "What You Are Is Where You Were When", are clear expressions of the development of values, self worth and self esteem.
        I, and many others here will not be drawn down into the emotional fray.....it's not reasonable. LOL
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        • Posted by Lucky 10 months, 2 weeks ago
          Right. Now I do find some of those names amusing, but still, I try not to do it myself. It lowers the tone of the site, It means I cannot quote that thread/post to someone outside.
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          • Posted by 10 months, 2 weeks ago
            Thanks for responding. Personally, I think it lowers the tone of the site, too, but then I don't use them. Never have, never will although there are some politicians I don't care for.
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            • Posted by $ allosaur 10 months, 2 weeks ago
              Me the ad hominem dino, encouraged for listening to Rush since the Nineties and who delights in calling a bad King Barry thing an Obamanation and delights in calling curs Porking Piglosi, Cackles Clinton The Evil Hag and a certain Adam a sorry little Schiff, hereby advises that I just turned the zero someone gave you into a 1.
              Why? You're fully entitled to the opinion you just gave.
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          • Posted by $ Commander 10 months, 2 weeks ago
            In my past I have uttered a string of epithets that can burn concrete. I've made terrible decisions in expression. I have been so fortunate, from my early learning, that I have not demeaned another seriously enough, that apology was not accepted.

            I too chuckle at the creativity to bring some of these .....expressions....... to bear. I also laugh in relief at how ignorant I have been and that I have rectified ....most...of my behaviors. I am fallible, everything is learned. I am ignorant of many things. To take pride in ignorance is Stupid.
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        • Posted by 10 months, 2 weeks ago
          Exactly, Commander! I hate seeing those derisive and other names used and that is when I go away from the not-so-civil discourse.
          Abaco, I would like to chuckle about it, but it is no longer humorous to me. It seems like the rational mind we all claim to have is hijacked by the language spewed forth. Yet, everyone here within this thread has been polite and making sense. Further,everyone of you has managed to be civil throughout (thank you for that), but can it be sustained in all the forum threads?

          It seems to me that as soon as separatist terms (as you called it Commander) are used, the rationality of the arguments go out the window. Moreover, it almost leaves no room for any kind of dissenting opinion as one would be called out (as Abaco was irrationally called stupid).

          We all are fans of Ayn Rand and Atlas Shrugged or otherwise we wouldn't be here, so is it too much to ask for polite civility even if we don't particular care for any one politician/person?

          Thank you all for weighing with rational thoughts.
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  • Posted by 10 months, 2 weeks ago
    Although it was obvious that Ayn Rand did not like certain characters, she rarely evoked name calling or nicknames in her novels and other writing. Not by her characters (for example, Howard Roark's response to Ellsworth Toohey was that he didn't even think of him).
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  • Posted by Mamaemma 10 months, 2 weeks ago
    I’d just like to point out that Ayn Rand used her character’s names very effectively to build characterization and help her readers to form a mental construct of who they were.
    Ellsworth Toohey doesn’t exactly evoke strength and decency, does it? But Howard Roark does. How about Cuffy Meigs? Wesley Mouch? Sound like mooch? How bout John Galt? That’s a tough guy.
    As to name calling, sometimes you just have to call it like it is.
    I wouldn’t call anyone on this site a name, but I sure love me some political name calling!
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  • Posted by mccannon01 10 months, 2 weeks ago
    To me it depends on context and what is being conveyed. A "snotty nickname" in one context might be just plain mean and in another it may be a simple tool to underscore a snippet of humorous sarcasm, especially in politics. It's part of the diversity of our culture as a caricature expressed in words rather than an image. It's nothing new as graffiti scrawled on walls in ancient Rome, Greece, and Egypt attests (I wish I could remember the book I saw examples in, but the Romans were particularly nasty - and hilarious!).

    With that said, I totally agree with civil discourse between people having a conversation on various forums, including this one. There is no reason for the folks that come here to be mean to each other in that way. However, there have been many examples of humorous/affectionate name calling between participants here in the Gulch. We all "get it" and have a good time.
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    • Posted by 10 months, 2 weeks ago
      Thanks for your answer. Well, based on my interpretation of what you have written is that you and Olduglycarl think it is okay to use "snotty nicknames" because it is all in good fun and it is just the way it is.

      Fair enough. I asked the question so I accept your answers especially considering that it has been civil discourse.
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      • Posted by mccannon01 10 months, 2 weeks ago
        "...it is okay to use "snotty nicknames" because..." Your interpretation would be more accurate if written this way: "...it is okay to use "snotty nicknames" in proper context because...". Context is very important to convey humor, sarcasm, irony, etc. and not just ignorant confrontational meanness.

        Good topic.
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        • Posted by freedomforall 10 months, 2 weeks ago
          I think Hitlery's comment about deplorables makes her fair game, too.
          Perhaps if people stopped calling looters names, they'd focus their anger in more productive ways, like some people did in 1776.
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          • Posted by 10 months, 2 weeks ago
            So, no one called Hillary Clintor that moniker that you just used here on this site prior to when she called some people's actions deplorable? And no, I didn't like her name-calling either. I thought it just as rude then; I also won't stoop to using any similar names for anyone else..
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            • Posted by freedomforall 10 months, 2 weeks ago
              Yes, people already had plenty of good reasons to express their opinions about her evil activities long before this Gulch even existed. I don't know when that moniker started, but I'l keep using it because it is appropriate, in my opinion. We are fortunate that the electorate chose not to give her the power to prove the accuracy of the moniker, so far.
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  • Posted by edweaver 10 months, 2 weeks ago
    Although it happens here, it is nothing compared to other"not so social" media. Most will say something inconsiderate in anger but usually apologize at some point.
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    • Posted by 10 months, 2 weeks ago
      I don't like it other places either, but over time, I have found it to be rampant here. Discussing issues, that is great, but once I see disparaging monikers, I know that I will rarely comment.
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  • Posted by BCRinFremont 10 months, 2 weeks ago
    Who decides which parts of language as an art are offensive and which are not? The first stone awaits casting...
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    • Posted by 10 months, 2 weeks ago
      Well, it won't be me, and so far, no one else has. I only asked the question in the first place. This says to me that it could be possible to have a discussion without name calling or snotty nicknames. Whether it will ever happen or not...that remains to be seen.

      Still thank you to everyone who weighed in with your opinion(s) on the query.
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 10 months, 2 weeks ago
    I got myself banned for a few days by reporting myself. Lol!

    Sorry but I still know that person is likely what I called him way back then.😆

    And yes, sometimes you need to unpack your adjectives.
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    • Posted by 10 months, 2 weeks ago
      You reported yourself? Awesome!

      I just leave and don't come back, and I really felt that this was to be a great place to discuss issues.
      so while I may disagree, I am not going to express my opinion in such a way as to be rude.
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      • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 10 months, 2 weeks ago
        It was when they first automated the process.
        It really wasn't a big deal and it did annoy me at the time but it worked out,

        The Gulch has been a very good place to hash things out for quite some time. Most of the people I befriended here I still chat without outside the Gulch and I've even met a handful. Even so, my perspective tends to butt heads with some objectivist perspectives and things have gotten a bit heated but I think we all learned something.

        The US is 320 million different people. A good portion of them are scary ignorant and hashing things out here (not clubbing them with ideology) can change peoples perspectives.

        I respect Ayn Rand, she was a visionary but for me she was not 100% on target.
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  • Posted by $ Commander 10 months, 2 weeks ago
    Thank you for the post.
    Name calling is a byproduct of arrested development. The inability or lack of will to continue to question. Quest-I-On? or Quest-Shun? A choice.

    Congregationalism is a concept of gathering where comfort is felt. Perhaps it is time to make a "push" on the comfort zones of the transgressors, I'll bet reasonable identification of the behavior results in angry insult.

    Your thoughts?
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    • Posted by 10 months, 2 weeks ago
      It isn't so much that people here name call other users; it is more that people disparage political leaders, past and present, by coming up with a name that is making fun of the person.

      I will be the first to admit that I don't like what some of Washington crowd does (their policies and philosophy), but I am not going to be rude about them.

      Philosophical differences are one thing, but name calling, well...the point of the argument is lost when it becomes childish.
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      • Posted by $ Commander 10 months, 2 weeks ago
        When dialog becomes argumentative it is a sign of unreconciled emotion.
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        • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 months, 2 weeks ago
          There is a lot of unreconciled emotion for all of us who have personalities more like Dagny Taggart.
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          • Posted by $ Commander 10 months, 2 weeks ago
            And....you reason through it? Reconciliation. I shall concede that awareness precedes the choice in action.
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            • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 months, 2 weeks ago
              The unreconciled emotion that both Dagny Taggart and I have is that we are trying to preserve the great work we created so that we can provide well for ourselves while meeting and exceeding our paying customers' expectations at a time when the rest of the world is crumbling rather quickly all around us.

              Defining the line when it is time to totally shrug is highly dependent on how invested you are in the current reality, especially when you love what you do.
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              • Posted by $ Commander 10 months, 2 weeks ago
                I just closed 30 years of manufacturing business.
                I have moved from MN to eastern WI and have applied for 4 teaching positions in manufacturing tech. If accepted, will be income. Easy to make a living with my skill sets.
                Impetus for decision; to look after my folks and to teach.
                I'm currently, also, forming an authorship on the human condition. For a decade I have tried to punch holes in The Objectivist's Ethics. I have been putting the Declaration of Independence, The US Constitution and The Universal Declaration of Human Rights to test, against what I think is the most profound document in human history. Through this process I had to ask myself repeatedly about that which I had learned and the validity of the learning. I had to reflect on my bias through this learning; my percepts and precepts of what I am. I realize my bias may show in the metaphor of my language useage. I am changing my language, not to be placative; to be succinct. The most important discovery through this process has been the growing awareness of empathy I have. Discovering the more upset I became, the proportional care I had for the subject of discomfort.
                I made a profound choice. Not to enjoin in rhetoric; to seek solution at the most fundamental level. Not to use terminology of separatism; to use that of inclusivity. To understand that there are 7.5 billion personalities on this planet and that we share 3 common aspects; comfort / discomfort, happiness / unhappiness, equitable or inequitable interaction, Regarding this post, the use of derogatory, defaming language....is learned, somewhere, to be acceptable exchange. We are what we learn. If children were to use some of the epithets I have seen here......I'd wonder as to what kind of congregation / group they'd been exposed to or were growing up within that accepted those expressions.
                I'll never shrug from humanity. My Gulch is within me. From First Nation's Lakota: Mitakuye Oyasin! We are all related!
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                • Posted by 10 months, 2 weeks ago
                  Thanks for this well written comment. I hope you succeed.
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                  • Posted by $ Commander 10 months, 2 weeks ago
                    Your wishes well received. I have already won the game of life. I am happy and I know why. It is not a secret. It is learned. Less than two years ago I'd not had the tools of thought or expression I offer now. This is the culmination of more than forty years of not being satisfied with the status-quo explanations of life and relationships. I am soooooo lucky to have been exposed to Rand early. Anthem, Fountainhead and Atlas at age 15 to 16, yet these were not the most formative. Tao te Ching (The Way Of Life...according to Lao Tsu) Witter Bynner's translation and Rand's: "The Objectivist's Ethics" have been paramount for my development. Tao was at age 13 and Objectivist's Ethics only ten years past.

                    This forum is dense with those who have not arrested their development for the comfort of the congregation. We are in great company here.
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