Buttigieg's Elephant

Posted by $ Casebier 3 years, 3 months ago to Politics
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A late night conversation around a campfire at a recent Indian Guides campout (after the boys had gone to bed) turned to a discussion of Buttigieg's "elephant in the room", namely his gay marriage and what that portends for the White House should he be elected. I was surprised at a comment of one of our tribe's African-American dads that his faith and its opposition to gay marriage would make it very difficult, even as a Democrat, to vote to have a "dude" as a "first lady". He's Southern Baptist. This led to wonder if the candidate's gay marriage will ever be openly discussed from a standpoint of how the country and/or presidency will be acceptable to people of faith both in the US and internationally, especially both fundamental Christians and Muslims. While I've always assumed that sooner or later we'd have a female President and a male "First Gentleman", I admit I'm not sure I'm ready for the President of the United States publicly holding hands, or having other public display's of affection,with his husband. Comments appreciated.

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    Posted by $ allosaur 3 years, 3 months ago
    Me dino predicts that Muslim mullahs will have a field day pointing out that a gay president proves the USA is indeed the Great Satan while recruiting more suicide "martyrs" than ever before.
    Oh, yeah, new thought. Open borders.
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      Posted by term2 3 years, 3 months ago
      I would be happier if there were no card carrying muslims anywhere near me. I dont like the idea in their Koran that says non believers should be killed- PERIOD
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  • Posted by wmiranda 3 years, 3 months ago
    In my lifetime, I've had gay friends and relatives dear to me. I've reached a point that I have no opinion on acceptance or rejection on an individual level. I've learned to make the judgment on the individual person only. They are a good person, indifferent or an SOB. Pretty much like anyone else. Having said that, I've made it clear when asked, that there are only two biological sexes, regardless of what you think you are. Also, that to me marriage is between a man and a woman.
    Currently, about 4.5% of the population is gay. A little over 7 millions. That may seem like a lot. To me that is a very small number compared to the rest of the population. Therefore, I don't believe that Buttigieg's lifestyle of choice represents me or the rest of the American voters. Not to mention Buttigieg's cuck ideas on issues affecting America. I also think his pandering to specific groups for votes is nauseating.
    Perhaps I am generalizing too much in this day and age, but as a Hispanic, someone like Buttigieg would not draw too many Hispanic votes from any other candidate. Backwards or not, we Hispanic men still hold a streak of machismo in which men and women act and have different roles in relationships. Right now the DNC doesn't really have a worthy candidate to go against Trump. I guess they'll have to come up with a swim suit competition to determine a winner. If so, Trump can give them guidance on that too.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 3 years, 3 months ago
    I have a feeling that the South Carolina primary will send a clear signal that black voters are definitely not comfortable with the idea of a gay president. Right now, Mayor Pete appears to have the lowest level of support from SC black voters of any Democratic candidate.

    As things develop, I'm betting we will find that Hispanic voters are just as uncomfortable with the idea of a gay president. Ironically, both black and Hispanic voters are more morally conservative than their white counterparts, who are very much into virtue signalling their tolerance for deviant practices. That's the real "war" in the Democrat party, moral progressives vs moral conservatives.
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    • Posted by $ blarman 3 years, 3 months ago
      I think the bigger issue for blacks in the South will be (I'm not going to try to pronounce his last name when it so easily becomes turned into a bad joke) and his re-interpretation of Bible. Regardless what one thinks about blacks or Christianity, the South isn't called the Bible Belt for nothing and black pastors don't thump their Bibles every Sunday in front of empty pews. I think he's going to be the exact opposite of Mike Huckabee - whose only basis for support in 2012 was the Deep South. We'll see what happens in South Carolina here shortly, but I think "Mayor Pete" is going to drift to a third place finish - or worse. He'll probably try to gloss over it and see if Nevada is any better to him - which it probably will.
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  • Posted by bobsprinkle 3 years, 3 months ago
    My comment is to all here. Not just rainman0720.
    A completely agree that interaction and negotations with muslim countries can be absolutely affected. I seriously doubt he would be "allowed" to bring his "husband" to their country. America can allow what it wants within its borders. But, we cannot force it on others. It is just another problem we DO NOT need. International negotiations/treaties complicated by this??? We do not need it.
    There were enough rumors floating around about NObama.
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  • Posted by term2 3 years, 3 months ago
    Butthead's gayness doesnt bother me at all. He doesnt seem to consider it the basis of any entitlement, and I think he can run his life however he wants without interference from me.

    That said, he IS a democrat and wants bigger government, which kicks him out of the running for me. He will probably never make it as the democratic nominee, as their bent is to get a woman in there before a gay dude. Unfortunately this time around, democrats are so intent on getting rid of Trump that they have very little to offer the country.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 3 years, 3 months ago
    I'm not "comfortable" with it. Doesn't mean I feel any "hate" or that I'm intolerant. Voters, I think, will have to face this in their own hearts and minds pretty soon. I think Pete sounds like an intelligent guy. I don't agree with him. And, I was hoping for more funny ramblings from Joe...But, I'm sick like that...
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    • Posted by $ gharkness 3 years, 3 months ago
      It's telling, Abaco, that many of us, you (and I) included, feel a need to defend our tolerance or lack of hate, simply because we don't agree with what someone else is doing, and we know we'll be called out on it.

      THAT is how far the liberal agenda has infiltrated our consciousness. We can't even say we don't like a certain behavior, or that we think it's wrong!
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      • Posted by JohnWesley 3 years, 3 months ago
        I find it very sad that political correctness has brought us to the point that we won't admit that gays are miswired and have a mental issue. We also won't admit to the animalistic behavior of a large percentage of the black population. Our nation is lost.
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      • Posted by $ Abaco 3 years, 3 months ago
        Totally agree. And, we DO need to clarify it at the risk of being misunderstood by neanderthals who can't discern the difference between "some" or "all". People really struggle these days. It's ok to not fully buy into every activity others choose. What a concept...
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  • Posted by $ Radio_Randy 3 years, 3 months ago
    Sorry, but many in my "generation" look (and continue to look) with disdain on homosexuality. The old comment "I don't care what goes on in their bedroom" is no longer the issue when they bring their relationship out into public.

    Though I have happily worked alongside admittedly queer people, it still disgusts me to see acts, normally acceptable between men and women, shared by two of the same sex.

    I have no concerns about the religious beliefs of a Presidential candidate and possibly would consider a female, should she exhibit the necessary attributes. However, I will never accept a candidate who openly exhibits attributes that many consider "unnatural" in human society.
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  • Posted by $ rainman0720 3 years, 3 months ago
    In Iowa, there was a Mayor Pete voter who just discovered (on camera) that he was gay; she totally freaked out, and asked for her signed card back, saying she had no idea he was like that. (Her ignorance as a voter is a topic for another discussion.)

    I don't generally make blanket statements, but I'd be willing to bet there are a lot of people across the country who agree with you, who just aren't ready for a President and his husband in the White House.

    It could pose some logistic problems, as I don't think his marriage would be recognized everywhere he went. And I quite agree that could very well cause some serious problems with certain cultures (one of which throws gay men off rooftops).

    (Warning: Completely subjective opinion to follow.) My issue with the idea is the radical push he would make to further shove the so-called LGBTAtoZ "rights" deeper and deeper into mainstream America (no pun intended; I just don't know how else to word that idea).

    And I hope nobody accepts the media like that this guy is a moderate Dem. He's just as radical as any other D running; he's just being quiet about it.

    However, if he is the candidate, I don't think the media will "allow" President Trump to make a campaign issue of it. He'll be branded as "Homophobe In Chief" if he utters even one word about it.

    So while it may be an elephant, I don't think it's one that can or will be a campaign topic. Trump can blast the Sanders/et al Medicare for All plans, and he can show the utter idiocy of any kind of Green New Deal. But the alphabet groups? Totally off limits. It might be the biggest mistake Trump could make that could seriously jeopardize his re-election chances.
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    • Posted by term2 3 years, 3 months ago
      What butthead does in his bedroom really doesnt have anything to do with how he would do the job as chief administrator of a large government bureaucracy. So I say, leave it alone. There is plenty of reason NOT to hire him for the job as president.
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  • Posted by rtpetrick 3 years, 3 months ago
    Soooo….if Mayor Pete wins the White House (highly unlikely), does Chasten, his hubby, become First Lady.
    Or….if Chasten becomes First Man, what would that make Mayor Pete….Madam President???
    This is all very confusing to me….

    I admit that I never understood the homosexual lifestyle. To me, a wife is a female. In a homosexual marriage, I don’t know who does what…..with which…..and to whom……….and I don’t want to know.
    As far as the co-opted term “gay” is concerned, I find that the notion of 2 men engaging in oral and/or anal sex with each other to be anything but gay. Disgusting, yes……..Aberrant, yes. …..Abnormal, yes….Deviant, yes…… · divergent · · transgressing …… strange …..· odd…… queer….all yes……….but not gay!

    The problem is that the “4%”, with the help of vote pandering liberal politicians and a sympathetic press, have manipulated the legal system such that the law forces the 96% majority to accept their perverted lifestyle…..under pain of punishment, if need be. So, regardless of religious conviction and personal opinion, we are forced to accept homosexual marriage, trans men in women’s bathrooms, and lesbians who demand wedding cakes that support their evil wedding ceremonies.
    Just another sign that we are in moral decline.
    One huge steaming pile of male bovine excrement!
    Anyway, none of this matter because Mayor Pete will not win the White House in November, 2020.
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    • Posted by freedomforall 3 years, 3 months ago
      Pete wins POTUS, and the red states secede.
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      • Posted by rtpetrick 3 years, 3 months ago
        Naw!….This country is a long way from being ready to accept a homosexual, who is married to another homosexual, as POTUS. That may not be politically correct, but there it is.
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        • Posted by freedomforall 3 years, 3 months ago
          To paraphrase George Carlin,
          "Think of how stupid the average voter is, and realize half of them are stupider than that."
          "No one in this world, so far as I know — and I have searched the records for years, and employed agents to help me — has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby.” H.L. Mencken
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          • Posted by Lucky 3 years, 3 months ago
            ffa - That Mencken quote, I think Barnum the circus man said something similar years earlier.

            Mencken also said,
            “The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.”

            Similar, Philosopher Bertrand Russell,
            "Much that passes as idealism is disguised hatred or disguised love of power."

            (Socialism in one sentence)
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          • Posted by rtpetrick 3 years, 3 months ago
            Yeah, Ron White makes a similar observation...."You can't fix stupid". As I wrote earlier, America is not ready for a homosexual to be POTUS.
            Hell……the world isn’t ready for a homosexual POTUS….or top leader in any other country……(except perhaps in San Francisco).
            That may not be politically correct, but who cares….because there It is.
            The Arab world would have ideological field day……America ……the Great Satan….I can hear it now.
            We would suffer in every strong measure of international stature that President Trump has regained for this country.
            But then…..I digress……because…..it ain’t gonna happen, G.I.
            Trump/Pence – 2020 MAGA!
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  • Posted by Lucky 3 years, 3 months ago
    Another view is that senior public figures, not just but mostly in government, need to drag around their spouses to events, negotiations and meetings.
    Time to stop it.
    Then, some of that kind of objection may dissipate, comment on the policies and actions not the sex/gender of the current squeeze.
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  • Posted by exceller 3 years, 3 months ago
    Buttigieg has the slightest chance to be elected. It was the hag who ran on "the first female" president slogan, and ever since all the fringe people got the idea they have a chance b/c of their sexual orientation, color, or any other off the chart quality.

    So does Sanders or Warren.

    These wannabe "politicians" (I have an issue calling them that: more appropriate is "opportunists" in the worse sense of the word.) use public appearance as a vanity tool. They are fully aware they don't have a lick to be elected but they parade and masquerade, nonetheless, fraudulently spending campaign contributions to satisfy their miserable egos.

    The entire process of electing the next president is getting more and more disgusting and corrupt, pretending to be a legitimate undertaking. It is not. Ceased be one a long time ago.
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  • Posted by 25n56il4 3 years, 3 months ago
    The problem I have with Buttigieg is that I fear his lack of experience. And, I don't understand him. He talks but he doesn't say anything.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 3 years, 3 months ago
    For me, it goes against the very fabric of existence, against the way everything is put together; Positive electricity seeking ground, North's attraction to South...without those two important things or behaviors...I think, creation, the cosmos, the universe, what ever you'd like to call "everything", could Not exist without those two, things or behaviors.
    Should we mock that? Regardless whether the universe would collapse as a result or not, it will have an effect on the brain, the mind and our behaviors...what's next, what else do we ignore, how far down that rabbit hole do we go before we can never return.

    Having married men in our white house as President and first dude would be ultimately bad for society and if one believes " our covenant" to be a valid thing...it would be bad for that too, bad for society and a bad example for children as well...but that is exactly what postmodernist want to happen.
    They have no morals nor any meaningful connection to anything but their Idiot-ology.
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    • Posted by RevJay4 3 years, 3 months ago
      Totally agree with you, ouc. That is a behavior which serves no purpose other than making the individuals involved feel good, or something. Which is okay for them.
      The purpose of relations between the 2 sexes is bringing another human being into existence. As God inteneded it to be.
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  • Posted by ohiocrossroads 3 years, 3 months ago
    If Bootydredge gets the Dimocrat nomination, I think the election will be over when he kisses his husband on the stage at the convention. Too many normal Americans will be disgusted. (That is, if anybody is actually watching it on TV.)
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 3 years, 3 months ago
    I'm one of the older generations who is opposed to gays but hypothetically as President, he would have difficulty dealing with middle east Islamic countries. I believe that it was Tucker Carlson on Fox that stated many people think of Mayor Pete as a AI plastic man create by Google.
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  • Posted by Rex_Little 3 years, 3 months ago
    If Buttigieg is the nominee (highly unlikely, granted), it will be very interesting to see how the black vote goes. If Trump makes any real progress on reducing Hispanic immigration this year and faces a gay opponent, I could see him getting a greater share than any Republican since. . . I don't know, Eisenhower?
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  • Posted by mccannon01 3 years, 3 months ago
    The PC left doesn't give a damn what Christians think, but how the left settles LGBT darlings vs Muslim darlings is going to place them in a quandary. Selling American PC to certain foreign countries to maintain respect will be a tough bird to fly as well. Probably a moot point as I doubt Booty will ever be Pres anyway.
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  • Posted by dansail 3 years, 3 months ago
    I recently listened to a live 90-minute interview with candidate Buttigieg over the radio. The conversation was long enough to cover many topics including the elephant. Growing up, he simply felt he was going to live a life as a confirmed bachelor, never opening up about his sexuality. He became mayor and then served in the military (called up to Afghanistan WHILE mayor), then returned to continue on as mayor. While he was in Afghanistan, in the heat of battle, a nagging thought went through his mind that he could conceivably die right there and never know what it is like to 'enjoy a relationship with someone'.

    It wasn't until he returned from Afghanistan when when he decided to 'come out', announcing his homosexuality. For the most part, the residents of South Bend, IN couldn't care less. He did get some flak from some, primarily the more religiously fundamental people of the city. After the initial clatter, it settled down and returned to business-as-usual.

    The fact that South Bend can get past this topic is a possible marker of the attitude of the country. Yes, there will be those who will not accept him, even if the voice of God thunders down declaring "HE'S GOOD". Even this is what makes this country so awesome.

    Throughout the interview, I had this increasingly confirming feel that this man prefers results (like an objectivist) with little regard to what people think of him. His skin is thicker than many.

    If he's elected, the elephant will eventually fade away. Let the Muslims, Catholics and fundamentalists cry, eventually it'll just go away.
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