I have the book, "The Life of Mohammed" at home and haven't read it yet, but am very close to starting it. It's slightly bigger than AS, and I know it will take me some time to read. There are things he did that are truly disgusting, and therefore, I'm apprehensive to go on reading more about what he did. We've had monsters like him here in the U.S. do the exact same things he did. Do you know how they were dealt with? Arrest and lifetime imprisonment, and in some cases, the electric chair/lethal injection. Charles Manson is the closest thing we have to what Mohammed did. Imagine 1 Billion + people worshiping CM. Now you have an idea of what we are up against. Keep going with your studies. Take breaks (like I have) when you can't stand it anymore. Don't be dismayed by the PC folks: it's easy to speak about things in which you know little about.

What little bit I know, and I know lots more today than I did last week, You are Right On !!!

Anti-Islam? Me? You bet I am. Do not confuse that with anti-muslim: they are the ones truly deceived, thus I actually feel bad for them, they are trapped and if they try to leave, whether you're male or female is punishable by death. It seems you need to stop being PC and actually HONESTLY look at what Islam really is. I've argued with people like you since I came back from being stationed in the middle east (have you lived there before?) in 1998. Your responses are typical of those who are way over their head in Political Correctness. Therefore, rather than blast you with FACTS, pulled from authentic ISLAMIC SOURCES THEY THEMSELVES REFER TO, I encourage you to look up my earlier postings that have the youtube site on someone who studied Islam IN-DEPTH from a scientific, not religious point of view. You cannot argue with me until you know the facts. I can disprove every single PC excuse you throw at me. I've heard them all before. Getting your information from Wikipedia won't work: use the authentic Islamic resources I listed along with the youtube site. When you think you're ready, let me know. Do you have the courage to face the truth and accept it? That will be the hardest part. It was for me in 1996.

I made zero decisions for McDonald's (obviously, or else they would have avoided the suing), I merely expressed an opinion about their lack of a good business decision, in my opinion. And that's my opinionated opinion and now I'm done opining about McIslam. :) And I called Ayn and she was okey dokey fine with what I said. So it's all good in the hood.

@LetsShrug
"McDonald's is McDonald's and should stay McDonald's"

I don't think Rand would approve of you making business decisions for others, isn't that their right to do whatever they want (including to serve whomever they choose)? And either way, you just said that they deserve to be sued, so yay, we are all back in what actually DID happen instead of what should or could have happened.

@davidkachel
The Muslim community didn't demand anything ... and they still aren't demanding anything...
Resisting integration? If you moved to Pakistan for work, wouldn't you just crave an American cheeseburger from time to time? Would you convert to Islam since that is where you would be living, so you should integrate? People are allowed to have their differences. Diversity is what makes America such a great place.

@khalling
Fine, personally, I do not have proof. But guess what, it doesn't really matter because no one accepted blame, hence the settlement.
And yes I correctly choose the term "dietary restrictions". During Catholic lent, Arby's always has a temporary fish sandwich for people who give up red meat during that time. That is obviously considered a dietary restriction as well. Just because something won't physically kill you doesn't mean it isn't a restriction.
You measure risk? So what type of restaurant do you think SHOULD be sued if this had happened there? Denny's is higher upscale than McDonald's. How about Ruby Tuesday? Longhorn Steakhouse? Fleming's Steakhouse? If this had happened there, which one of those should be sued? I'm sure you would trust the latter over the former.
How informed are you about where the products in Walmart, Target, etc. come from? If you have ever purchased anything from those stores (or really any large store) you are indirectly supporting child labor and sweatshops in third world countries. Those people have no choice but to do their work in those horrible conditions, with no individuality. I don't think Rand would approve.
Yes, I have read many of Rand's works, and I like her a lot. We disagree on some issues, but I think she is a talented writer. Her philosophies work well as exemplified in fiction, but her non-fiction isn't as well thought out, especially when people attempt to apply her moral philosophy to political and economic philosophies.
But yeah, you should absolutely protest Arby's during lent.
Oh, and never watch Youtube again (it was cofounded by a Muslim)!
Never watch anything Dave Chappelle is in.
Or the "Halloween"movies of the 80's (produced by a Muslim!)
Or the show "Dr. Oz"
Or anything by David Bowie (he married a Muslim!)
Or the Miss USA competition (who crowned a Muslim in 2010!)
Or ever go to Minnesota (they elected a Muslim to congress, who even was sworn in on the Quran!)
Look, all of these comments on this page are Islamophobic, and you are embracing that boldly, but just think about it. There are a lot of Muslims in America in prominent positions, and nothing negative has ever come from it. Why can't our differences be interesting and opportunities for personal growth instead of something that pit us against each other?

I was replying to Dave42's post which in no way discusses the guilt or innocence of any specific case.

George Strait

straight up. puerto penasco

Grazie

you have no proof. there was an accusation and a lawsuit filed, backed by organizations receiving govt money. dietary restrictions???? like a diabetic? like anaphylactic shock?
have you read Ayn Rand?? give me proof they did something wrong. everyone is an innocent consumer. mentally disabled perhaps. I am an informed consumer. when I buy I measure risks. I assess the probability of performance. I do not initiate lawsuits for frivilous reasons. and yes, food prep for religious reasons at a restaurant which is a CHAIN-give me a break

Apparently it wasn't a good business decision. McDonald's is McDonald's and should stay McDonald's, but if they choose to attempt to cater to ...them then they deserve to get sued by them.

ok, I just gave you a point for ja

it is a case. innocent before proven guilty

I've just re pointed us here. Can't of course do the same for myself but this is really pathetic! Such a tantrum is usually reserved for 2 and 3 year olds.

@khalling
Museums are not a just a place for exhibits, you know. They are places of education and large ones often DO provide services to the community. And please, 'economic damages', well firstly all of the people who didn't get what they ordered should be refunded, but you know good and well that all the time in our court systems there doesn't need to be economic damages for a financial settlement. I think it is perfectly rational for a class action lawsuit to be brought against a restaurant who is falsely advertising their products. And your comment about Islam being irrational is unwarranted. This article has nothing to do with Islam, just a set of customers who have a dietary restriction.

@LetsShrug
Actually it IS a good business idea. McDonald's saw a huge untapped market, so they created menu options so they could actually reach this new market. They just did their jobs poorly. The Muslim community here are nothing but innocent consumers.

welcome to the Gulch. I should have said that earlier, fiction.

it's an islamic/american MUSEUM.
no rational individual can suggest that the failure to pray over a piece of meat resulted in ANY economic damages. there is no objective way of measuring and coroll ting any distress by said Muslims. The POINT of the story was about how irrational our society has become. and YES Islam is irrational

I KNOW you didn't imply that...I was implying they should've been....they're idea to cater to Islam didn't quite pan out did it?....but it's insane to think catering to them WOULD pan out... I'm just saying... not the best business idea I've ever heard of. Kind of a no win-no win situation.... and they're still there. Are they getting subsidies to stay put or what?

@LetsShrug
I actually didn't say McDonald's WAS anti-Islam. I agreed that they tried to cater to them. I just said they they should do it correctly.

@khalling
So because McDonald's hires 15 year olds, they should be held to different standards than other restaurants? McDonald's should get special treatment? And it wasn't for a one-time thing, the 700k was for years of possible wrongful preparation. Did you read the news article? The 'unrelated organization' is involved because it would be impossible to actually contact all the people who ate at the restaurant in those few years, so they decided the money would better benefit an organization that actually works with this group of people.

friends

Who is on a point down rampage in here???

McDonald's wasn't anti Islam and they tried to cater to them. Maybe they've learned their lesson....nope they're still there...guess not.

my priorities include non-litigious society. what 15 year old burger slinger is praying to "God" which God, more than one? before cooking the chicken. and if he/she is probably not with reverence. unless it's something like "oh, god, another islam chicken fillet." it's buyer beware. and NOT worth 700k for a threat. NOT PROOF, allegation. oh, and part of the pay-off goes to an unrelated organization. where are your priorities?

Are you all listening to yourselves?

Say you are a restaurant owner.
Say you realize a bunch of Muslims live in your area, and there really aren't many places for them to eat.
Say you add an option to your menu for them.
Say you make a profit.
Say you don't hold up your end of the deal.
Say your customers are angry.

You get sued.

Why is this a radical idea?
McDonald's is responsible for serving food that wasn't prepared as advertised. In this case, the preparation is deeply religious, and therefore important to the customer.
McDonald's didn't do it right, possibly with negligence, or intentionally.

The original poster for this board sounds rather anti-Islam, and this news story is about a restaurant's mistake. Get your priorities straight.