What do you disagree with Ayn Rand on?
Posted by qhrjk 5 years, 5 months ago to Ask the Gulch
Hello,
How do I phrase this... I was curious if anyone has some criticisms about Objectivism on here. What do you disagree with? What would you change? Would you articulate something differently?
Nothing's black and white, I guess.
I'm not asking this out of spite or anything of the matter; I'm just a student who wants to hear different perspectives.
Thanks!
How do I phrase this... I was curious if anyone has some criticisms about Objectivism on here. What do you disagree with? What would you change? Would you articulate something differently?
Nothing's black and white, I guess.
I'm not asking this out of spite or anything of the matter; I'm just a student who wants to hear different perspectives.
Thanks!
We have the Right to our lives. We have the Right to our Freedom. We have the Right to pursue Happiness. When we elect, from our Freedom, to interact with mutual Rights amongst each other as humans, we agree to earned Liberties as promotions and restraints upon our behaviors. I am free to pursue equitable or inequitable participation throughout my life. At the simplest I am free to seek "comfort" and avoid "discomfort". This is something all living things experience. As complexity of an organism increases sensations are perceived through an emotional "state". Humans, being of the higher complexity on the planet, need reason to sort perceptions and emotions.
And our Mortality is the key to a value structure for governance of our lives. I've been wrestling with these concepts for over forty years. "Why are Humans the only life form that do not conform to the Natural Order of all other life on the planet?" A good question?
To jump ahead to The US Constitution. Despite the intentions, as ambiguous as they are, there was never an objective statement of Unalienable Rights as an interpretive overtone. The District of Columbia formed...a corporate entity. When we were enrolled into this corporation through the Social Security Administration we agree to abide by the regulations and laws of the corporation. If "The Corporation" "decides", through the mechanism of Democracy and "It's" "Representatives" to avoid or undermine equitable relations, we, as corporate Citizens, are obligated to comply. And this raises fundamental conflicts between mob rule, whim, and objective pursuit of equitable lives.
This is not an all-inclusive iteration of what I'm working on. Boilerplate at best. The target for release of authorship is 2021. The title: Reaching UP (Unlimited Potential) An expression of what we are as humans and a value statement that is necessary to identify and resolve conflicts....from the street.
It is the same as what Climate Alarmists call the Precautionary Principle. By this if an event is not impossible, and if it occurs would be a calamity, then any cost is justified to stop it happening.
The alarmists tell us what to do, of course the cost is enormous, and there are the usual rake-offs. The climate alarmists solutions do not guarantee that their threats of extinction/ catastrophe will not occur (in fact their solutions only waste money). Nor will expressed belief in gods guarantee eternal life.
Anyway, what is this belief thing we are supposed to have or not? You may say you have a belief is order to gain some advantage but you are just claiming, call it lying, perhaps rationalizing, (lying to yourself), it does not specify what is in your thoughts.
I think that you can agree that neither of us will influence the other. Therefore I will stop here and wish you the best.
Just what is being wagered. It appears to be some ghost in the machine, a soul, which is eternal and was implanted by a god in a human body at conception.
Your number 1 assumes that God is good despite the lack of goodness other than that created by human activity. It also does not indicate what infinite win means.
Your number 2 assumes that God is a child wishing to be loved and coddled and wishing to torture the one who will not believe without reason for eternity with no more reason than my sister who wanted to hear heavenly music for eternity. Eternity never ends.
Your number 3 disregards having lived a falsehood for a lifetime.
Your number 4 disregards the fact that an honest live might be lived, which would be the greatest reward.
The wager is a sham to get a childish mind to become a theist.
In fact the wager in no way supports religion other than the religious belief that the wager proves something. You need some evidence and then have a rational belief by reason. Just saying so will not do.
If you explore Pascal's Wager there are 4 possibilities.
1 there is a God and you believe = Infinite win
2 there is a God and you don't believe = Infinite loss
3 there is no God and you believe = Small comfort in your mistaken belief
4 there is no God and you don't believe = zero sum no win no loss
Personally I think that Pascal was correct and that it is foolish not to believe. Then again I believed before I became aware of Pascal's Wager and had voiced the same concept independently before I became aware of it. Heck back then I thought that my position was orginal.
I am not sure what you need for a preamble for a constitution establishing a republic?
It is similar to the law of economics that one should consider what is seen and also what is not seen, i.e., what is the cost to a life if one spends ones life as a theist spending a lifetime in fear of a nasty threatening deity and discards the cost of being an atheist in terms of the value of ones life?
What is tossed out of that wager is what happens if the atheist is right and the theist is wrong. Since ones life is what is important, spending a life believing in a non-existent god would have been a wasted lifetime. All that the theist has to offer is a made up threat by those who would try to control humans promising pain and suffering for eternity if one does not bow to them.
Rand's position on religion was that belief by faith in the absence of evidence for something is wrong. If there is evidence from which to infer the existence of a god, then believe by reason, The fact that others believe in a god is not sufficient to infer the existence of God.
Had there been a different outcome with the land of the Earth, most of us would most likely not exist. It is somewhat like the exaggeration in time traveler stories where someone changes some small thing in the past and with the affecting of the future to a large extent. Large past affects will cause large effects such as whether one is born or not.
I know what you are saying about those pilots that you instructed. In my case back in the mid 60's at about the time that Rand gave her Objectivist Ethics lecture at the University of Wisconsin - Madison, I graded math papers for the United States Armed Forces Institute. There were students who were learning arithmetic who would, for some reason that I could not understand, just resubmit the same paper over and over without even trying to correct mistakes. They could not concentrate long enough to care whether they had learned something new.
It seems like you had more success in the pilots and not too many were able to remove themselves from the gene pool.
I think that it would be wrong to abort a fetus after it gets brain waves (which I guess would be within about the first 3 months). They go by brain activity to know when life ends, don't they? So shouldn't that be the standard about when it begins, at least as a conscious being?
I fully agree with the necessity and appropriateness of divorce, in some cases. But I don't agree with doing a menage a trois; I think if you don't love your spouse, you should just get a divorce. (If in a country where this is legally impossible, maybe that would be different, at least if appropriate notice were given to the spouse. But I think it should be one person or the other, not trying to have both).
I'm not trying to interfere in other people's personal business; I mean that if I were married, that other stuff is something I simply would not tolerate; I'd rather just get a divorce.
Why is me dino thinking of a lot of Jew voters? (Notice the absence of a modifier). Now I'm thinking of Barbara Striesand. Rather not. Me dino go bye bye now.
I wish that there were more of them.
That brought the Bible "alive" to me.
Suddenly everything was thoughts...
Principles replaced "rules".
Really, Ayn saved my brain.
also.
In the movie, John Galt made a much more convincing argument in stating that they (the strikers) were not against charity IF it were on their terms...he didn't simply shut himself off to giving.
In that particular case, I would have to agree with the movie's opinion, as that is the way I see it.
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