Why poverty in Eden?

Posted by Herb7734 2 months, 4 weeks ago to Economics
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The economy is roaring along. Thanks to Trump and his use of Capitalism's tenets we are truly the wealthiest nation in the world. Is it not obscene that there are places in , let's say New York ,that make Soweto look like Beverly Hills. We have had ineffectual poverty programs and still there is a desolation that seems to be tolerable because of some unspoken conviction of futility. "The poor will always be with us," but nobody uses such words any longer. They use code words instead, such as 'structural' and 'behavioral' as long as the middle class is doing fine.Not one penny should be spent on foreign aid until those who live in say, East New York are made to have the opportunity to get education and training without fear of retribution.


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  • Posted by  $  Dobrien 2 months, 4 weeks ago
    Hello Herb7734,
    It is good to hear from you.
    Foreign aid is just a kickback machine for the looters. Donate materials and commodities if we feel it is in our countries interest to assist. Help engineer and build infrastructure. It’s hard to steal part of a dam or pier or highway and deposit it in an Elmer Fudd Acct.

    Ineffective poverty programs?
    Why those programs are effective ......poverty is thriving where those programs are targeting.

    How about wealth programs for the poor.
    Get rid of the victim mentality and adopt a victor mentality.

    Incentives motivate. Scrap public education administrators and start from scratch. Pay the teachers and admin on results. Individual results. Not some subjective measurement. Make intelligence a “cool” trait. Encourage the individual.
    Promote an ethical self interest. Make America Great Again.
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    • Posted by 2 months, 4 weeks ago
      There you go again Dan...acting rational. There is no longer room for rationality when you have the Green New Deal and getting rid of all fossil fuels.
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      • Posted by mccannon01 2 months, 4 weeks ago
        Yeah, Dobrien, you're acting WAYYYY too rational here, LOL.

        "Why those programs are effective ..." Yep, they are really working. Not more than an hour ago I waited in line at the grocery store while a 20-something wearing designer clothes, at least $1000 of tatoos, coif and nails obviously professionally done was getting the food stamp card to swipe.
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        • Posted by  $  Dobrien 2 months, 4 weeks ago
          A poor Pat , has to eat . Could not figure out what gender. So let’s call it Pat.
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          • Posted by mccannon01 2 months, 4 weeks ago
            I may have related this story in the Gulch in the past, but here it is again. True story that took place in the mid '80s. Earlier in my working career I didn't make a lot of money and with things like a mortgage and car payments the family budget was stretched thin. We learned to make things work and, of course, the food budget was not going to allow expensive items, either.

            My wife called me at work and asked me to pick up some cheap hot dogs and buns to cook outside for "something different" for the kids and they liked hot dogs - so did I, actually, and still do. At the checkout line in the grocery store I was preceded by a man in a nice shirt and sport coat and nice shoes who unloaded his groceries and two big bags of dog food onto the conveyor belt. To pay, he dropped a bunch of food stamps on the counter to which the checkout girl informed him food stamps will not pay for dog food and he had to pay by other means. He instructed the girl to take the dog food off the conveyor and ran back into the store leaving the rest of us waiting in line. He returned with a stack of steaks and asked if the food stamps would cover them? Yes was the reply and he proceeded to check out. He turned and looked me right in the face with a big grin and laughed "My dog's gotta eat! ha ha". My taxes bought steak for this man's dog while my family gets cheap hot dogs. Honestly, I wanted to kill him - and his dog. The look on my face must have betrayed my thoughts because he dropped the grin and left immediately. Oh, he got into a late model Cadillac and drove away. I will never forget his face or the sound of his smirking voice saying "My dog's gotta eat".
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            • Posted by Russpilot 2 months, 3 weeks ago
              I had an almost exact same experience. Only mine was I was buying the (at the time) four for a dollar frozen microwave burritos to get by until payday. Two "ladies" in front of me had two carts literally overflowing with seafood, steak, and all matter of junk food and sodas etc. They checked out and since I only had a couple of items, it took 30 seconds for me to check out. As I walked to my car, I saw them loading it all into an Escalade parked in a handicapped space. If I ever was in power, the first two things I would have a complete overhaul of the handicapped parking and the EBT program. Both are overrun and corrupted by the same people.
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              • Posted by mccannon01 2 months, 3 weeks ago
                LOl, yes, I know what you mean. I had an incident where a young lady almost ran me over to get into the handicapped parking at a grocery store close to the door. She was obviously in a hurry over something. No handicapped tags or sticker or flag on the mirror. As she bounded out of the car and began a brisk walk to the entrance I remarked to her "You don't look very handicapped to me." She flipped me the bird and shouted "F**k You A$$hole" to which I responded "Oh, mentally handicapped, sorry!". Others watching this all transpire had a good laugh.
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                • Posted by 2 months, 3 weeks ago
                  I find that a sad look and a shake of the head are just as effective. These hominids are usually so thick skinned that nothing short of loud vituperation even penetrates.They are the wild pigs of humanity.
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                  • Posted by mccannon01 2 months, 3 weeks ago
                    Yes, they are brazenly thick skinned. I'm noticing more and more apparently NOT handicapped young people hopping on the motorized carts and riding around the store shopping as well, using up a scarce resource set aside for the truly handicapped and elderly.
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                    • Posted by Russpilot 2 months, 3 weeks ago
                      Saw this just yesterday at the supermarket. There was a 20 something man, wearing a security guard uniform riding in a scooter. He would then park it in the middle of an aisle and walk to go get what he wanted and put it in the basket. I wanted to take a picture and make him famous on social media, but didn't need the hassle that may have brought on.
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                  • Posted by  $  exceller 2 months, 3 weeks ago
                    Great description. Very apt.

                    Nothing penetrates there. It is a different species.
                    I am reminded of the sci fi films where the only way to eliminate an alien species is to destroy it.
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            • Posted by  $  Dobrien 2 months, 4 weeks ago
              When we were 1st married we would splurge on a occasion with onion buns for our burgers.
              If we could add Mac and cheese it was a feast. I was sixty pounds lighter then , but hey 1 1/2 lbs a year adds up. The Beautiful Wife delivered Three kids and is still 115. Sorry mind wandering....

              Silly me used to think that people don’t want to be on assistance and given a chance would spare the embarrassing position of being seen in public using food stamps. That story you told is just the opposite.
              Good news is that Trumps Job promoting economic policies has taken 3.5 million off of food stamps.
              Food stamp participation has hit a 10 year low.
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              • Posted by 2 months, 3 weeks ago
                The BW is a very frugal shopper to this day. Buy one get one free is the order of the day...every day. She hates when I shop with her, because I buy what I want, the more exotic, the better.
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              • Posted by 2 months, 3 weeks ago
                My BW was mistaken for my daughter for years. What a pisser! I think she's finally catching up to me.Don't say I said that.
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                • Posted by  $  gharkness 2 months, 3 weeks ago
                  Ha, reminds me of the time I went in the pharmacy with my 2 years younger husband to get a flu shot. Pharmacist gives it to me, and says....what about your dad, there?


                  Hahaha, my husband was in danger of losing a wife that day.....!
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            • Posted by  $  pixelate 2 months, 3 weeks ago
              I often wonder if individuals, such as that food-stamp fraud, are born that way or slowly morph into despicable parasites. Perhaps in the good old days (well prior to even the 80's), the parasitic behavioral trait was shown in an unkind light and was to be avoided. In the Age of Entitlement, there appears to be little shame in being a grown child, dependent on The State, possibly with a mind not even remotely acknowledging that on the other end of the parasite is, by necessity, a producer.
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              • Posted by Russpilot 2 months, 3 weeks ago
                I think that most of the parasites today were born into the behavior. Too many brood sows who are having kids solely for the added benefits. These children are raised only knowing how to be "gimme" babies. With the addition of Obama phones and other subsidies, they spend money on tattoos, jewelry and big rims for their cars while they sit on the couch playing their X box and suck off of the public teat.
                I would love to see a policy taking money and children away from those who haven't the means to pay for them. There are so many people wanting to adopt children in the USA that they are going to China and Russia for children. Take the children, raise them to understand the value of things and how to work to achieve them. Get rid of the culture that makes idols out of thugs and believe that school isn't cool.
                There are so many stories of people who rose above a meager beginning, so it is obvious that with the proper attitude it can be done.
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                • Posted by  $  pixelate 2 months, 3 weeks ago
                  My kid brother copulated with a brood sow on multiple occasions ... resulting in four piglets (two of them were his, two more were of questionable ancestry). The sow lived off the teat of the Wisconsin welfare system. My brother was not much of a class act though ... more than indiscriminate copulation, he was also a drunk and had to be swept off the streets, after having blacked-out, with the county tax-payers picking up the tab for his "clean up operations." The whole damn system is up-side-down, where vice is rewarded and virtue is forced to pick up the tab.
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    • Posted by  $  25n56il4 2 months, 3 weeks ago
      Go guy! How about having colleges co-sign student loans and/or guarantee the degree the student is seeking is other than 'underwater basket weaving' and he/she will be able to get a job with it!
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  • Posted by  $  blarman 2 months, 3 weeks ago
    The dirty little secret of the elites is that they are totally and completely dependent upon a slave class. They must have a slave class to support their looting. When feudal serfdom was no longer in vogue, they invented Marxist victimhood where they persuade people to abandon individual responsibility in favor of their own style of looting and blame it on "the rich". This is the heart of socialism - the institution of willing slavery.
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    • Posted by 2 months, 3 weeks ago
      Most of them in the elite ranks are despicable monsters, but then, you have the true believers. They blind themselves to the impossibilities of Socialism and are truly devoted to it. Yet, in the long run, they pay the highest price.
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  • Posted by  $  brightwriter 2 months, 3 weeks ago
    My own experience with society's interfering with emancipating the poor from their status has two important incidents.

    Years ago, my first ex-wife (may she rest in peace) was a teacher in a bad neighborhood in New York City. I was self-employed as a house-call physician for a while and made occasional visits to her classroom. One day, her class and others went on a field trip to Staten Island (a bus ride perhaps an hour away). I brought a half-gallon canteen full of water. After the children were outside playing for a while, I noticed that there was no opportunity for anyone to get a drink of water easily and ordered the children to stand in line and cup their hands and I would pour some water into each person's hands. They cooperated. Teachers later marveled at their obedience; I merely note that the teachers ignored their obvious needs and I didn't. Uncaring! The teachers union, permitting those idiots to oversee children, are part of the problem. Have you seen the practice questions for the PRAXIS test that is generally required to get a teacher's license? It's ridiculously easy. The unions want malleable idiots to be teachers, people easy ton control, people who will surrender union dues without dissent, children be damned.

    More recently, I sent a DVD to the local prison in Maine hoping to reform pedophiles, aware that teaching children not to talk to strangers and locking up the child molesters though helpful aren't the only tactics to consider. It had conservative and libertarian principles. By way of "thanks," the Maine medical board insisted on my getting a mental-health evaluation to keep my medical license. I consider the response evidence that the Powers That Be want the disadvantaged to remain disadvantaged and the hated and disparaged to remain hated and disparaged. See http://www.harshman.name/brightwriter... for more information if you are interested.
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  • Posted by  $  Olduglycarl 2 months, 4 weeks ago
    And here I thought you were going to talk about san fransisco...Eden didn't have toilets yet so they shit on the streets...now ny is catching on...most of the poor are homeless cause they can't afford the taxes...take away all taxes, get the government out of businesses and Real Estate and BOOM!...no more poverty.
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  • Posted by mia767ca 2 months, 3 weeks ago
    the govt's "war on Poverty" program has spent trillions of dollars on "poverty"...and has succeeded in creating more poverty...Obamacare was not designed to succeed, but to fail. so that govt could call for a total takeover...govt is not the solution...it is the problem...
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  • Posted by  $  exceller 2 months, 4 weeks ago
    In one word: because of the greed of the elite.

    Their concern is to get their millions once close to power. Do you think they care about the constituents? The homeless masses in Silicon Valley, LA or San Francisco?

    NAH!

    The concern is only in the slogans that the sheeple buys wholesale.
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    • Posted by 2 months, 3 weeks ago
      Talk about greed. I've been reading about the exchange of assets by Americans and Nazis at the war's end.I always knew Roosevelt was a sham, but the Dulles brothers,.... oh well, I'm preparing it for discussion in a day or two.
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      • Posted by  $  Dobrien 2 months, 3 weeks ago
        The Dulles brothers are a large root from the tree of evil. Operation Paperclip’s fascists closet Nazi insertation has grown like an invasive species. See anti-fa. How do you take down the world power?
        From within?
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  • Posted by  $  jlc 2 months, 3 weeks ago
    In an objective sense, we have eliminated much of poverty. Our 'poor people living in shacks' are better off than the chief of a Paleolithic village. Agamemnon could not eat ice cream. The poor people of the future will live in mansions, but will still be poor relative to the rich people. It is all a question of technology.

    Now, that being said, I agree with the other posts on this page about the misappropriation of our taxes.

    Jan
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  • Posted by Robert_B 2 months, 3 weeks ago
    We hear of tax havens overseas, fair share tax schemes, progressive taxation, and loan forgiveness. The critical concept to such slogans relies on equating fairness and balance. Fairness.. is an individual value judgment. Justice is societal, based in philosophical objectivity within and through unique circumstances though not from the "for me / for you" lens. If we want to have a balanced and just system of taxation, we must do away with this insane notion of "fairness" in favor of just tax practices. America ought to be the "tax haven" of the world.
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