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  • Posted by freedomforall 4 years, 9 months ago
    I suggest that if you want a concise answer, please post a link to the source of your question, e.g., AOC's statement in this case.
    I can't speak for others but I don't watch tv or read rubbish propaganda online; so often I have no idea what your question is about if you don't specify the source when you ask it. ;^)
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  • Posted by gafisher 4 years, 9 months ago
    Illegal aliens have the basic human rights spelled out in the Declaration of Independence - life, liberty and (property). They do not have the rights of citizens of this country, such as voting, job access, nor those protected for citizens by the Bill of Rights (though the government neither created nor granted those rights). Legal non-citizens are guests of this country and may exercise many (but far from all) of the rights of citizens, but those who enter illegally - who in essence "break in" - are at best owed courtesy, not rights.
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  • Posted by Russpilot 4 years, 9 months ago
    Poor deluded little girl. They have some basic human rights, but they are not protected by ANY of the rights that are afforded to citizens purely by citizenship of the United States. It is high time that we start that shift back towards being a Nation of laws and not feelings.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 4 years, 9 months ago
    AOC is an imbecile at best. This statement is political grandstanding and pandering - not an actual statement of fact.

    People have rights, but it is in the protection of those rights that we form governments. This is plainly stated in the Declaration of Independence and the Preamble to the Constitution. Governments are tasked with protecting rights, but only the rights of the people who have authorized that government and allied themselves with it in the first place. That is the key provision that collapses this nonsensical diatribe from this idiotic Congresswoman. The US has neither the authority nor the responsibility to uphold the rights of illegal aliens living in this nation for the simple expedient that they have not consented to that authority!

    It is quite simple: if you want the protections of the laws of the United States, you must be a citizen or an authorized guest who agrees to these terms when entering. You don't get to simply come here and demand the privileges of citizenship without doing your part to obey the terms of this Association.
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    • Posted by ewv 4 years, 9 months ago
      She is demanding recognition of a false philosophical right to be cared for, not any kind of Enlightenment rights of the individual, let alone civil rights under existing law.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 4 years, 9 months ago
    They Don't! but as Americans, we have a tendency to treat illegals and other non citizens as if they did.
    There is no law that I know of that states they have any rights at all...except, perhaps, a phone call.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 4 years, 9 months ago
    Human rights for all are perhaps first mentioned in national history with the writing of our Declaration of Independence~~
    "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent pf the governed.--That whenever Forms of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and to institute new Government, (etc.)"
    Way me dino sees it, people have a right to alter or abolish their own governments--not to come over to alter ours by crashing our culture with overwhelming caravans of invading illegals with violent gangs and Islamic terrorists joining the march.
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    • Posted by lrshultis 4 years, 9 months ago
      Rights being a moral principle dealing with what the freedoms of action that a human should have in order to support its life, are, in a society, regulated by laws or social beliefs. Law, in a social context, either permits or gives permission for certain actions toward applying natural rights or prohibits certain freedoms of actions toward applying natural rights. Law defines the liberties, the permissions that society gives one toward expressing ones natural rights.
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      • Posted by ewv 4 years, 9 months ago
        Freedom of action by right does not require permission. In this country we are supposed to be free to do whatever is not forbidden as a violation of someone else's rights, and government is supposed to be limited to what it must do to protect those rights.
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        • Posted by lrshultis 4 years, 9 months ago
          While life requires many freedoms of action in the contexts in which it exists in order to keep and further that life. The life of a human in a society governed by a body of law requires certain moral i.e., actions by choice. There is no 'supposed to ' other than what is permitted by law. A law must imply what is permitted before it can define the use of force against outlawed actions. Concepts such as 'natural rights ' exist only in a mind and are not reifiable too objective reality. They are a recognition by a mind of some relationships in objective reality necessary for life in social contexts. 'Supposed to ' is an agreement between individuals as to what types of action are acceptable in the society.

          When I say that one is permitted to take action in a society, it is the citizens of that society that do the permitting by not opposing certain actions, leaving one free to act. The actor does not just act without knowledge of what actions are permissible, i.e., without a consideration of the other members of the society. That is the reason for a body of law to let one know of the others in the society.

          If all property were private, it would be easy to see the necessity of permission for actions outside ones own property. One would need to explicitly obtain permission for what actions are free by what ever rules there are on the other's property.

          Since no two individuals minds are the same, there will be an endless number of possible ideas of free action. One needs to observe objective reality to learn which actions can be freely done in a particular context.

          One thing that I really valued about Rand is the necessity of defining ones terms. Today that is least likely to happen in nearly any discussion so there is no grounding for a conversation with neither party able to understand arguments because the possibility of reason has been discarded.
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  • Posted by $ Stormi 4 years, 9 months ago
    The Dom party keeps saying they do, as ifit were true, and none of the ones listening ever bother to check. It is like the commies, repeat a lie enought times and it becomes the truth that is believed. I have been fighting for 25 years to get teachers to stop using "rights" without following it with " responsibilities." A nation can not long survive if people expcet the fist and don't uphold the second. Sandy Ocasio, her old name, just wants to mouth off and make promises she cannot back, but she hets air time doing it. Shut her down.
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  • Posted by $ Radio_Randy 4 years, 9 months ago
    Nobody can explain anything that comes out of that little twit's mouth...why even ask?
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    • Posted by ewv 4 years, 9 months ago
      Because she isn't the cause, only the result of widespread false premises promoted by the establishment intellectuals for over a century. Not too many years ago she would have remained in the same obscurity that Bernie the Red had. It's spreading, which is why the media is promoting her.
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  • Posted by iowachess 4 years, 9 months ago
    Everyone has rights as outlined in the laws of the country. What rights she is talking about may or may not be on the books. They are NOT undocumented as of now they are documented, ILLEGAL aliens and by law must leave the country within 30 days of the judge's order. They no longer have the right to due process because due process has been served upon them. They now have the right to be escorted out of our country and to theirs. The have fewer rights now than when they first entered the country because they have used those rights and they are no longer avail. Sorry...NOT sorry
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  • Posted by $ Snezzy 4 years, 9 months ago
    The key is Hillary's "We all hang" statement. AOC is the flag of the replacement for all the Old Guard that are tainted by Deep State and Prevent Trump. She's not part of the sex island scandal and will allow the appearance of being a clean slate. Her handlers will still run things, even if they are in prison.

    It's all an attempt to keep Trump and his team from being in control.
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  • Posted by AverageCitizen 4 years, 9 months ago
    The greedy, risk-adverse, uneducated about the founding principles of this country, mush for brains unprincipled graduates of law schools, have been playing a world power game of pay-me and I will help destroy this nation. Giving "rights" to foreigners is just one of their moves.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 4 years, 9 months ago
    I did not hear about it, but I find the statement self-evident. Rights precede government..
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    • Posted by ewv 4 years, 9 months ago
      She was talking about philosophical 'rights' to be cared for -- given food, housing and medical care -- in what she previously called the "concentration camps". The immigration issue for the left is to turn the country into international welfare central. Their idea of "rights" is collectivist entitlement as a moral matter, to be imposed by force under dictatorial government entitlements. Part of that is flooding the country with illiterates who, along with the domestic leftist leadership, demand to take what we have and use government power to enforce it.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 4 years, 9 months ago
        "She was talking about philosophical 'rights' to be cared for"
        We'd have find the original quote. People jailed, esp those no even charged with a crime, certainly have rights.
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