jlc

OOoooo. Bad thought, that.

(I think it was holiday brain.)

I personally think that the intention was to state that Mankind as a whole had these attributes, notably as separate from 'classes' of people having different attributes (which I got from one of the comments). There was an understanding that Mankind did not include women, however, and a split on whether or not it included Indians, Negros, and people without property. Different areas made different decisions on those issue with respect to voting.

Jan

Thank you, OA. I have 77 comments, but the thread only has 8 points. I know I often forget to point up a thread I am commenting on, but I was a bit surprised at the magnitude of the discrepancy.

I thought that the issues brought up have been quite worthwhile. I have had to do research several times.

Jan

Hangs head; digs toe in ground; is not actually repentent.

Jan
(You did it from higher!)

Good clarification, Wm. I am referring to brush clearance for the most part.

Jan

True, but not my point: My point is that, right now, manual labor is still cost effective and we have a lot of people on welfare that could be doing this. If our society prohibits our requiring people on welfare to work, then allowing unskilled Mexican laborers to enter the US is to our benefit. (I looked up automated strawberry pickers yesterday as a result of researching automation's effect on the Civil War and manual labor is still better.)

Jan

I think that this is excellent ammunition for the use of anyone opposing Hillary. Hopefully, it will be a tiny crack in the press-liberal facade.

Jan

I have employed Latinos to do various jobs, and found this to be true. They are hard workers, and willing to work in the sun on a hot day doing manual labor...for reasonable prices. (I throw in cold beer at the end of the day, and have had some interesting conversations in Spanglish. I keep a pack of Corona on had for this purpose - not myself a beer drinker.)

Jan

I like these ideas. The only downside is that if we do not have the hard-working Mexican illegals to pick our strawberries, perhaps we can figure a clever plan for people who are on welfare to pick them. We have people who 'need' to work (at least, from my perspective) and we have work to be done...they should be introduced to each other.

(Not that this would happen the way things are currently, but it is a thought.)

Jan

I did it off the garage roof of my cousins' house, but it was a flat roof, so no peak.

Jan

Well Done! You have done all that one can to provide an insulation against inimical reality.

Jan, needs to get her ducks in line

It is one of the things I muse about. There are many steps that I deliberately took to shape my life, but they were thrown awry by bad decisions or acts of Murphy. Some of the things I did just 'along the way' have been what have provided the actual turning points of my life.

Yes, this casual introduction to logic and the Socratic method of argument have served me well throughout my life.

Jan

Thank you for your Evil Encouragement, puzzlelady!

(And thank you for your entertaining comments on this thread. I hope you had a great holiday.)

Jan

I think Ayn Rand makes the mistake of projecting her personal problems onto all other women. We all have seen varying types of romantic relationships, with different degrees of success that did not correlate with the 'type' of interaction - the success depended on the individuals.

For someone to define what aspects of a relationship must be important for someone else...and the go on to say that she would not vote for a woman to be president because of her concern for the ability of that woman to have an equal relationship with a man is just uncalled for.

All reigning queens (including Maria Theresa of Austria, who was just 'the wife of the king') have a spouse who is definitionally 'less than they are'. And why should it be essential for a woman to have a husband at all? Maybe she wants to be a single President.

I am, by choice, single and childless. It is not Ayn Rand's prerogative to dictate that I am required to long for a husband and therefore am ineligible to run for President. (NB I do not object to the idea of having a male significant other someday - and he would have to be what I considered an equal. Whether or not I were President would have nothing to do with it, and my hypothetically being POTUS would not have any impact on my choice. There are many types of power, and 'equal and alike are not the same'.)

Jan

I do not do cursive either. My printing used to be incredibly precise, but now it has gotten sloppy. I would write results on slips or logs with my handy rapidograph. If someone spilled liquid on the logsheet, everyone else's writing would wash off...

Jan

Sounds great. Shutters on the wind-doors? Food supplies?

Jan

Ha. I hated the concept of sewing because it was 'girls stuff' and I sooo did not want to be a second class citizen. (I think this was also a part of my reluctance to cook.)

Then, while I was in the AF, I join this medieval organization. Guess what: You can't go out to JC Penny's and buy medieval garb. So I learned to sew.

I guess what taught me to cook and sew and dance was not 'instruction' but 'contact with reality'. I had goals (mostly subsumed under the rubric of "have fun") and the best path to accomplishing those goals was to learn some things I had avoided learning for inappropriate reasons.

Jan

Since I eat Paleo, and the cooking of my childhood was always strong in meat, mostly what I have done is eliminate the pasta, potatoes, and rice (sigh). My mother (whose own mother was a boilituntilitturnsgrey cook) delighted in preparing currys, roasts, sautees, etc.

We always had a sit-down dinner, with clean shirts on and proper settings and good conversation. My friends were aghast (and envious) about our dinner table conversations when they came to visit - we would get into a lively discussion as to whether or not flying saucers broke the laws of physics or some such. Sometimes my father would show me strategy and tactics, using the side dishes to represent opposing forces.

I learned a lot about logical conversation in that setting.

Jan

I am currently learning more-than-I-ever-wanted-to-know about the 17th century. During that time there was a doctrine accepted in Europe: Cuius regio, eius religio. It meant that 'whatever the religion was of the ruler, all the people in his realm had to be of that same religion'. So, when a Catholic ruler replaced a Protestant ruler all of the people in that area had to switch religions. No rational was necessary...it was just 'the way it was'.

This does not work so well any more (did not work outstandingly even then, though it may have stopped a lot of wars). Now, we need a philosophical hook to hang our functional hats on. In an even slightly better world, this would be a positive and rational statement; in our world it is often a statement that potentially accuses a group of people of some hateful stance, unless the do such-and-so.

The general mode of this is: Unless you [blank] you are [Nazi]. One of the big things we have to get past is that there are "people" not men/women, black/white, straight/gay. Just "people".

If you want to start a new thread on this topic, just push the blue "Start Discussion" button at the top right. I will be glad to comment on the topic.

Jan

Hey Wm: You need to make a strong post in favor of a woman being president.

I will be seeing you at the office tomorrow!!!

Jan

All I can say is, personally, "Welcome!"

I do not speak for anyone else in the Gulch but I note that there are a number of Christians and deists here. You will decide how you live your own life, but as long as how you interact with me is fairly and rationally, what you believe inside your own head is as much my business as how you behave in bed.

Jan, agnosto

I have no problem with you being Christian, but if Dino snaps teeth at me he will end up missing a few of them.

Jan, a lady but not a wuz

Ayn Rand was wrong when she said that, and she is still wrong now. The criterion for a job is 'the capability to perform that job'. Nothing else matters.

Jan

My mother was a wonderful cook (and loved to do it), which provided a counter-incentive for me to go through the dinner-disaster steps necessary to learn. When I got out on my own (and out of the barracks), I found I had three choices: Eat mediocre food, Spend all of my extra money at good restaurants, or Learn to Cook.

I am now a good cook. (Though perhaps not as good as my mother was.)

Jan

Ha! I can see it.

Jan