Hopefully you do not live in Kalifornia...

It was hot yesterday, so my daughter used 1000 gallons on the slip and slide. That's the actual usage from the meter.

Arizona is restrictive in its water rates, some people have tiny lawns but most have either crushed granite or crushed volcanic cinders for landscaping. Now the local water company got permission from the State Board to raise its rates. It won't be as severe as California. When I received the latest bill I went to check my plant irrigation system for leaks. Yes, I found some. The homeowner in Az must be vigilant in water usage.

In the end, the liberals would like to control everything that everyone does, and regulate it in advance so it cant happen.

Here in Vegas, one of the former bastions of independence (I would have thought..), one cannot start a business UNTIL its approved by the city itself. And that approval can only come after 45 days of deliberation and a visit to the city council meeting and getting approval from the sheriff department. In addition the business you are proposing to start needs to be on a list of "approved businesses.

On the water issue here, the water utility is a little smarter, having tiers of water usage per month with rates that quarduple as you get to the highest tier. But its still VERY cheap, and probably lower than the real market value.

Yes, and they will move and start it all over again. I have had a hard time finding any clear information on this issue, it got skewered from the get go, and there are now a few different versions, all professing to be "real". Luckily, I don't have to deal with it yet, Oregon hasn't gotten enough Liberal power stashed away to pull that yet.

Interesting and informative ! Too bad the government just doesn’t get out of the water business and leave it to private business. Shortage of water would result in price increases, willing conservation on an individual level, and increased supply.

All the while California permits illegal immigration of refugees and other people of limited education, making their need for water go up.

Eventually there will be an exodus of residents along with the individual fines for “excessive” water use, and some restrictions regarding fleeing the state. I left some time ago while it was still a decent place to live

OK, so, in all fairness here are some alternative views of this issue:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cal...

Snopes says no, the fines applies to the water suppliers, although how that works I don't know.
Moonbeams announcement clearly says: Establishing an indoor, per person water use goal of 55 gallons per day until 2025, 52.5 gallons from 2025 to 2030 and 50 gallons beginning in 2030.

I had a hard time finding anyone who could clearly show that the law would or would not penalize individuals, I know a couple years ago they did require each well to have a meter on it, as I had personal experience with people who could not believe they imposed such invasion of property.

I'm not sure that the rest of the country is going to put up with having more than one California. Each one would get two senators.

It is very frustrsting dealing with irrational people especially ones with hidden agendas. It’s also a waste of time dealing with emotionally driven and controlled people. Better to just stay clear if them

I mention it because I personally have had two instances of underground pipe faults which used up a lot of water with little visible traces. The monthly bill was the only way to detect. Very inefficient.

The feds are not going to stop looting on their own. The people must do something to affect the looting legally and peacefully. Not sending in your income taxes will result in going to jail even though it's the right thing to do. The only solution I can see is a consumer strike on all non-essential goods, and to buy essentials from local small business (except for when there is no choice, e.g., gasoline.)

There's more to this than California imposing iron rations on the use of water. This is the inevitable result of settling a bunch of people on land that had no water, and bringing water in, free of charge, with tax support.

If water projects were private, none of this would have happened. California's population would never have outgrown the land's ability to support it. But lack of imagination has meant that water was a public utility since ancient Rome with its famous aqueducts, and possibly more ancient than that.

I've looked at Rand's essays. I didn't find the one on the property status of water--unless I missed something.

I can proudly say that, for the first time in my life, I now get my water from a completely private source. I have an Artesian well in my front yard. Not only is this the best water apart from a mountain spring or stream, but it depends solely on local rainfall, which has always been plentiful. I manage the water, and I control its quality. Nobody tells me how much or how little water I must use, because I do not draw from a common source. (And I even added a second source: a rain barrel.)

Nobody thinks in terms of light (that is, electricity), gas or water subject to private delivery and management. We all know that was the rule in Atlantis. (Dick McNamara became the prime LGW distribution provider; John Galt was, of course, the prime electrical generation provider.)

California is only the first polity to pay the price, in the form of a tragedy of the commons, for providing government water with no thought for the future. The Republic of Israel at least have done some planning, but are now about to embark on desalination to supplement their water. Water will be a casus belli soon.

Good question, I assumed the entire system from lake to faucet.

I don't think they can imagine that the failure to deliver is because of a problem in the process, rather nefarious intervention by the evil "capitalists".Like NASA could not believe something went wrong with a billion dollars of Mars orbiter, until someone failed to use the right units of measurement and made an "oops". Their system was broken, but they would never admit it.

In what way, I am not sure how you mean that.

Exactly.
We, the People, should do the same to the feds and their dependent corporate looters.

Conservatives would love it. Liberals would say it can only happen here because of the bad policies of trump. There are snowflakes who want the emotional security socialism offers- but would finally accept the inevitability of its failure to deliver

I wonder if that’s system leaks or the sum of household leaks

And here is how it will break out:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/3096f7cc...

Well, Freedom, you do have the market option to tell ATT to F off....

I read they lose 35% of their water from their entire system to leaks, large and small, and that is one reason people are so angry, nothing to fix those, but punish the people.

There is enough material to do something like that, and it may play well, maybe Fox should do one, like Watters World on steroids....

The Agenda 21 thing is one of those "conspiracy theories" that people have been conditioned into rejecting if the lamestream media has not endorsed it. Based on the lame-streams avid support of the left to the total disregard of facts or fair reporting (as Sarah so beautifully described today), it becomes easy to give credit to some type of nefarious plan, or else believe in the old "Rome died of lead poisoning" scenario, just with something else in play

Bingo, you found a wiener....

They do it because they do not connect with the results of their insanity and imposition of THEIR worldview and politics on others. If you listen to them, they will blame big business, rich people etc for all the problems and tthey had to leave because they took over and made everything bad. Just have that discussion and you will then just want to go drown yourself, as you will never be able to make any sense of it. Yet to them, it is perfect sense. That is the problem. That is why they love Hillary, and when confronted with her crimes, blow them off as the vast RW conspiracy. Everything they do NOT want to deal with, is someone elses fault, and if only we just gave more, protected more, saved more, everything would be great.Along the line, these lemmings get manipulated by thee Hillarys, the Maxines, the Cuomos, the Schumers, and used for their own purposes, then they go off the cliff and drag everyone with them.