Donald Trump – Modern Day Walpole?

Posted by freedomforall 6 years, 4 months ago to Government
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"can The Donald make good on his promises to the outraged voters who voted him into office this past Election Day? Can he restore economic growth, political legitimacy, tax justice, immigration sanity, and American greatness? He has taken a promising step with his new tax plan, say many conservatives. But in this writer’s view it is miniscule reform in light of what is really needed.

It is highly doubtful whether the GOP has fashioned something robust enough to genuinely restore economic growth. Our economy is suffering from monumental ideological fallacies plaguing us that stem from Keynesianism in the colleges, the Congress, the Federal Reserve, the Wall Street banks, and the media."
"Tax cuts necessitate spending cuts. Without them deficits will explode as sure as mushroom clouds will shoot skyward from nuclear blasts. Reagan’s brilliant Director of the Office of Management and Budget, David Stockman, has attested to this truth over the past several decades with searing logic in The Triumph of Politics: Why the Reagan Revolution Failed (1986) and The Great Deformation: The Corruption of Capitalism in America (2013). Unfortunately his message is ignored by an obtusely corrupt Congress. Thus the National Debt for our country will continue to grow unless our politicians bring their spending incontinence under control when seeking to reduce oppressive taxes from the federal government."
"Our conclusion is that economic growth via supply-side economics is not “healthy growth” if deficits and the total debt of the country explode in the bargain. Laffer’s supply-side economics is not the answer to Keynes’ demand-side economics. Both lead to massive deficits. The answer is to restore a free market, and the economy will produce constant and substantive growth without the need to stimulate the demand side or the supply side."


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  • Posted by $ CBJ 6 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You’re talking about two different types of guarantees. A dollar bill guarantees that it is a unit of the recognized official currency and can be used as a unit of account and means of exchange within the country issuing it. A government bond guarantees that the government issuing the bond will redeem it (and pay interest on it) with a specified amount of dollar bills or their equivalent.

    The dollar does not have to be “the world’s medium of exchange” to have value as a currency. All I said earlier was, “The U.S. dollar’s value derives from the fact that it is the official medium of exchange and unit of account within a large, productive and reasonably stable economy.” The same is true of the British Pound, the Euro and the Australian and Canadian dollars.

    And if a dollar bill is an IOU, why would you need another IOU (government bond) to “back” it? This wouldn’t strengthen the guarantee, since both guarantees are issued by the same government. You say that a nation’s fiat currency becomes worthless when the nation collapses, and this is true; but any bonds “backing” this fiat currency become worthless at the same time. So what purpose is served by a government issuing bonds and taxing its citizens to pay interest on these bonds – interest that today consumes one-third of the federal income taxes we pay?
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  • Posted by ChestyPuller 6 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That is the issue right there... you do not know that un-backed currency is an I.O.U.

    What guarantees the worth of a dollar bill?

    The Faith that the issuer will honor it!

    What guarantees the worth of an I.O.U.?

    The Faith that the issuer will honor it!

    Tell me what "Fiat Currency" is worth when a nation collapses; Let's think 18th Century France and the French Revolution, or Germany at the end of the Weimar Republic in 1933, Shall we bring up the Confederation of States in 1865?

    You claim the value of the U.S. Dollar is due to it being the World's "medium of exchange"? that began in the late 1940's and right now China's Renmimbi is poised to be the World's medium of Exchange; what happens then to the U.S. Governments I.O.U.?

    Go do some studying...
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 6 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I am not wrong, have no need to “save face”, am not twisting words and am not personalizing this discussion. An unbacked currency issued by a government is not an IOU. The fact that it is “not backed by anything but the faith the giver will honor it” does not make it an IOU. It is the actual, government-issued legal tender currency. The government doesn’t “owe” anything to the recipient.

    It’s true that fiat money is inferior to money backed by hard assets. But from a conservative or libertarian perspective, pure or “unbacked” fiat money is much less destructive to the economy and to personal liberty than the “debt-backed” fiat money we use today.

    Although inferior to a gold-based currency, fiat money does in fact have real value. The U.S. dollar’s value derives from the fact that it is the official medium of exchange and unit of account within a large, productive and reasonably stable economy. It does not derive from the fact that $20 trillion in real U.S. government IOU’s are “backing” the nation’s currency.
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  • Posted by ChestyPuller 6 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Good news... President Donald J Trump just stopped any funding to Pakistan until they give up Terrorist's and pledge to keep giving up any muslim terrorists they have or know about... FINALLY a POTUS with balls that knows what they are for!
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  • Posted by ChestyPuller 6 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    CBJ, I don't have time for those that can easily see they are wrong, but then twist words and meanings to try and save face.
    ANSWER THIS HONESTLY:
    You owe $100,000,000.00 and you only bring in $600,000.00 per year, can you pay it off with an I.O.U. of $100,000,000?

    The reason I ask, is because as you know whether it was a Weimar Mark or a U.S. Dollar Bill... all they really are is an I.O.U. because they are not backed by anything but the faith the giver will honor it.

    Now, when you print a bunch of money without any backing... it DEFLATES the existing currencies worth...which means what you gave as an I.O.U. isn't worth what you promised to pay originally, hence you are not honoring the original I.O.U.. This method is without a doubt just a 'ponzi scheme' make to screw the one getting the I.O.U.

    Go try to save your mistake on the economy with someone else... If you want to be honest and move forward trying to create an actual plan I would be glad to continue conversing.

    Til then... Good Bye
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 6 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The debts of Weimar Germany and Hungary were externally imposed, and payment was required in hard assets. Neither is the case in the U.S. today. Our debt is denominated in our own national currency, and we can pay it down on our own timeline. As I mentioned above, the inflationary impact of unbacked dollars would be no different than the inflationary impact of the same amount of debt-backed dollars, and such a policy would call a halt to the increase in the national debt and its crushing $400+ billion in annual interest payments. See www.fixourmoney.com .
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  • Posted by ChestyPuller 6 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You see Freedom, you but your emotions into the numbers... DID I CALL ANY ONE OF THOSE NUMBERS LOAFERS?

    Whether they can work or do not choose to work, it is the same SOME ONE HAS TO PAY FOR THEM... Do you have children? I have 5, if I didn't pay for their food, clothing, education and the room over their heads they would have died. The money spent on them as well as every other person no fully funding themselves comes from those that work... It just so happens I am one of those "workers".

    Freedom, if you just look for holes in the narrative, I guarantee you will find holes... even in the Holy Bible or U.S. Constitution... that is the lesson learned early on in design when you are asked to write up the proper way to make a PB & J sandwich; that design class helped a lot in my Engineering degrees Electronic/Biomedical.

    We have to expect the reader will have the basics on this blog... or the blog will not have the storage space to do one actual post.

    God bless Freedom...
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  • Posted by 6 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    While I agree with your conclusion regarding the inevitability of collapse, your not-working number 107,607,000 includes 74 million children who can't work. That proportion of the population has not changed much over the years. You make it appear as if they are loafing when 50 million are getting their daily fill of propaganda in public schools and the rest are under 5 years old. Yes, other people are supporting them, but many are being supported by working parents. Lacking the full explanation makes your argument weaker, not stronger.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 6 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You're right. Nearly all Americans don't understand that the systems we have aren't legal guarantees, but "good faith" promises that (so far) the U.S. Federal government has honored better than most other national governments. The government hasn't yet been tested by economic collapse, but it is in danger of a self induced catastrophe if it doesn't find a way to deflate the ballooning entitlement debt.
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  • Posted by ChestyPuller 6 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That is my point CBJ
    What is your "unbacked Federal Currency" other than the same type of "unbacked currency" the Weimar Republic and the Hungarian governments used?

    Look at the Historical timelines and the timing of these issues... Realize that economies don't cave the moment the revenue or wealth of the government disappears.
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  • Posted by ChestyPuller 6 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Actually, if you look at the numbers 109,631,000 on welfare and 107,607,000 not working or receiving Welfare that is 217,238,000 people; that is the actual CBO numbers, not mine.

    Now please explain how 105,862,000 can pay for their expenses and the expenses of 217,238,000 others... If you look at it rationally you will see how the Federal Debt is climbing as fast as it is; the Ponzi Scheme set up over the last 100 plus years is coming apart at the seams.

    We can either tighten it up and accept the hardship and emotional issues it will cause or we can just continue and watch the Republic dissolve.
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  • Posted by ChestyPuller 6 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It is sad that American's do not even know how the Federal Government works; example: You didn't pay into [a.k.a. savings account/retirement account], Social Security... IT IS A TAX, and as a tax is not an investment account so no you cannot deduct what you call a loss in returns YOU ARE NOT EVEN GUARANTEED TO RECEIVE. It truly saddens me to see how ignorant of fact [purposily uneducated by government school standards], many American's are to these facts. It is known legally as "a pay as you go system", meaning you are paying for those that are currently at the age or requirement to get the Socialist payment, [yes it was first called Socialist Security (design in California by a Communist Party Leader)]. You should be educated as well as everyone else as to what it is the Federal Government is doing and offering.

    I am a retired Marine and Military Benefits are not the same thing; it is part of the serving your republic that others didn't do. I personally stay away from the Healthcare, I lost too many family/friends to bad care.

    The biggest problem is everyone [except those that served their republic in Active Duty as military service members] 'believes' they are owed or should get things from the government when it is not the way the Federal Government was designed.
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  • Posted by $ Radio_Randy 6 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Just using a familiar reference, but you're probably right.

    If President Trump comes up with a catchier name...I'll start using that one.
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  • Posted by term2 6 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That’s great!! I think the total foreign aid to Pakistan is $18 billion a year. I would cut every penny, but 1b is better than anything obama ever did
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  • Posted by peterchunt 6 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I note from a WSJ article today that the US will "freeze more than $! billion in other forms of security assistance".
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 6 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    In some respects, you're double counting. For example, I'm one of those on Social Security "welfare" (I paid into that, so technically not welfare) and am also on military retirement "welfare" (result of a contract to compensate for low wages and costly frequent moves, as well as personal risk, so technically not welfare). I also built up a substantial IRA, so I wouldn't be entirely dependent on government largesse. The result of all that is that I pay a substantial tax burden on all of that "welfare" (85% of my SS is taxable, and all of my military retirement). I agree we need to change the system, but contract law pretty much demands gradual change. If someone has spent 25 years working under the current Social Security system, and it suddenly changes dramatically to a contributory system like a 401K, should my returns be adjusted for the loss of those 25 years where I couldn't contribute, or should government money equivalent to my credited income be added to the new system? Lots of details to work out, but worth it to get things under control.
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 6 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The German war debt did not cause the Great Depression. The German (1921-23) and Hungarian (1945-46) hyperinflations were the products of special circumstances and were not triggered by a political desire to spend recklessly. Each country was on the losing side of a world war and found itself weighed down by a huge and unpayable war debt imposed by the victors (the Soviet Union, in the case of Hungary). Reparations had to be delivered in the form of gold, goods and hard currency. In an attempt to pay off these debts, each country printed massive amounts of its official currency to purchase the assets required to pay these reparations. Neither country had any alternative. This practice directly triggered both ruinous hyperinflations.

    The U.S. today has one thing in common with postwar Germany and Hungary: the presence of a government debt that we are increasingly unable to pay back. We can continue “kicking the can down the road” as our national debt continues to become more unmanageable, or we can begin to gradually pay it down. Given our present political and economic circumstances, the only way we can accomplish this is by breaking the link between the federal deficit and the national debt.

    The national debt does not really back our money anyway. See www.fixourmoney.com .
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  • Posted by term2 6 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think I read he withheld $200+ million only. The rest is stil going to Pakistan. A drop in the bucket. I also object to the idea of 'withholding XXX amount". It should always start at ZERO, and the first and each dollar is GIVEN to them- shouldnt start at 18Billion and then withholding small amounts.
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  • Posted by term2 6 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Good thing for them that I am not president. I would just cut off many nations' foreign aid and let them float free. Why are we going into debt to let them have a better life. They should fend for themselves, as we should and DO
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  • Posted by term2 6 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not a bad idea. And STOP calling them dreamers. THEY didnt dream anything when their parents smuggled them into the USA.
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  • Posted by hvance 6 years, 4 months ago
    Tax cuts should be accompanied by even larger spending cuts.It is obvious to anyone with an ounce of critical thinking ability that the Congress is in it for themselves. The solution is to vote them out but Santa Claus wins every time.
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  • Posted by 6 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Looks like the latter numbers use the former numbers. Don't mix the numbers without explaining what you are doing or your arguments won't be taken seriously. Fast and loose does not make a convincing argument (and I think you have a good argument to make.;^)
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  • Posted by ChestyPuller 6 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    This nation never wanted or wants people that break its societies laws in order to stay here. I can see you are a close minded individual by your comment "Trust me...any of them who are truly willing to "work"...", shows you have no clue of what you state; how do you choose which of these illegal's are good and those that are not?

    Just to try and enlighten those that read this, I can see you don't care, ILLEGAL is a type of CRIMINAL... no one should be awarded for breaking laws.

    I will wait, with amusement, your response Peter... tell Tinker Bell I say Hi!
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