Story about transgender student supposedly harassing other students turns out to be a lie
I knew the story smelled fishy! :D
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder
Taking an overly simplistic view of any issue can be dangerous.
Perhaps under the strict definition of law, but there are always cases of an elderly spouse ending the suffering of their mate. Many times they are fulfilling a request....
Family of Colorado trans kid targeted by harassment hoax speaks up:
http://www.transadvocate.com/family-of-c...
http://www.transadvocate.com/your-help-r...
Anti-LGBT Group Admits It Invented Story About Transgender Student Harassing Classmates
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2013/10/17...
Apparently they're trying to justify their hate by claiming that it is a form of harassment for a transgender girl to use the same restrooms as cisgender girls, which of course is ridiculous. -_-
I’m not surprised the story was slanted in various media outlets. The original posting we saw, was after all, the Daily Mail. Still, the fact remains that a previously self identified male has decided to change publicly the gender he/she now wishes to live by. This means the female students who have known this person as a boy now see him/her as an invasion of their privacy. What constitutes harassment to some may be of no consequence to others. The mere presence of a male sportscaster in a women’s locker room and vice versa could be seen as harassment. Special accommodations should be made to provide comfort to all including the transgender student. What is not clear is what gender this person is biologically, what gravity this factor should play if any, and whether one can change their status without a physical/medical change and force themselves into the girl’s public restroom. What doesn't make sense is to allow this person to use whichever facility fits their changeable frame of mind. This seems a bit much to expect children to handle well.
The issue really isn't about the particulars of this incident. It is a larger question about protecting the privacy rights of all equally. I think this is just a case of propriety. Just because someone is concerned about the rights of all does not make one “Transphobic” any more than questioning the probity of a boy knowingly using the girl’s facilities or a girl using the boy’s facilities. If this were of no reasonable concern then there would be no need to identify the facilities by gender. Like I have suggested previously, the answer for the future may be unisex facilities. For .3% of the population you would think that simply letting the rare transgender student use the faculty facilities where adults are the only ones exposed to this private matter would be a better temporary solution. I question the wisdom of the student, their parents and the school administration in making this (what I believe should be a private matter), a public issue by virtue of the solution they chose. It should have been handled more prudently, for the dignity of all concerned. I find it most distressing in that it would seem a most uncomfortable position for the transgender student to now endure such public attention…
Respectfully,
O.A.
I sent money last year to a gay Republican group based here in Maryland, so stop buying the BS that the right-wing are all a bunch of anti-LGBT hate mongers. It’s a big tent and a Grand Ole Party.
And it's possible that Fox News may have deleted the story like all the other news outlets did, but were just a bit slower at doing so.
EDIT: Nope, Fox hasn't removed the story after all. It's right here:
http://nation.foxnews.com/2013/10/14/gir...
Also, keep in mind here that this particular case involved the use of restrooms, not locker rooms, so there would have been no possibility of cisgender girls seeing the transgender girl's genitals unless they peeked into the stalls.
Okay, it's slightly more complicated than that, but I find that that's typically the easiest definition for people who are new to the subject material to wrap their head around. ;)
http://gender.wikia.com/wiki/Cisgender
http://www.advocate.com/politics/transge...
And homophobia is not and has never been listed in the DSM, and I don't know why you would think it was. In the future you ought to double check your sources on that kind of thing.
By the way, there's a documentary called "The Laramie Project" which talks about the murder of Matthew Shepard, a young 21 year-old gay man who was killed simply because a couple of guys thought he was hitting on them (though there's no evidence to prove he actually was). If you want a deeper perspective into the issue, then I'd highly recommend watching it. You can do so here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1qiTmF0p...
Being uncomfortable with people of your same sex hitting on you is understandable, but at the same time you have understand the other side of the issue, which is that gay people often live in constant fear that they'll be beaten or murdered if they make even the tiniest romantic advances towards anyone they find attractive. How would you feel if you had to live with that sort of constant threat hanging over your head your all the time?
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oc...
this is a recent story, but I read about the book some weeks ago.
Unfortunately, all these terms are wrong.
"Transgender" would refer to being between two forms of language.
Language has gender; people have sex.
The younger one had an eye for my brother, and I had an eye for her.
In the bar I was sitting across from her. She was flirting with my brother who was pretty much ignoring her (his wife was due to deliver his 3rd kid any day).
I had finally given up getting her attention, and was just sitting there sucking on my beer, when she stood up, unzipped her fly and tucked her shirt in, then rezipped. She wasn't wearing any panties.
I said, "Thanks!" rather thickly, and as she sat back down she looked at the older gal in confusion. The other gal explained, "You just flashed him your beaver". She just shrugged her shoulders, and I went back to the pool at the motel.
I'm thinkin' it's a lot more likely you'll get a look at women's naughty bits, or have your mutilated naughty bits revealed in a bathroom than in a bar.
Only if you're peeking into the stalls. :P
When referring to people who are in the process of having themselves mutilated, you should always refer to them by their real sex, rather than by the sex they are attempting to simulate.
And you went way beyond merely questioning the story. You claimed that the entire thing, from the beginning, was a ruse set up by the political left in order to attack the political right -- that whole thing was an elaborate, preconceived plot. That makes you a conspiracy theorist.
And we know the moms were transphobic because we have the letter they wrote to try and justify their position. You can read their statements here:
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2013/10/17...
And special treatment? You mean like being allowed to use the same restrooms as everyone else? How does that qualify as special treatment? That's not special treatment -- it's equal treatment.
the discussion is good. Let's have them! clearly the discussion is a personal one for you. Persuade away- downvotes are not persuasive.