The Government Is Cracking Down on School Bake Sales - NationalJournal.com

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I wonder how many students will become candy bar bootleggers inside the schools? An entrepreneurial eruption would be nice.
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  • Posted by robertmbeard 9 years, 9 months ago
    They should bake their normal, good tasting cookies, and place a label next to them that says:

    "Does not contain sugar but does use sucrose as a substitute."

    The education bureaucrats won't know common table sugar is sucrose...
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    • Posted by 9 years, 9 months ago
      Probably true...but I'd rather put a sign that says, "extra sugar added". OR "Now with even MORE chocolate chunks!" Or name them "Ain't Y'obama's cookies"
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      • Posted by $ Susanne 9 years, 9 months ago
        I just think it's a wonderful thing that we need the government to tell the American populations (and our kids) what they can and cannot eat, instead of relegating the responsibility to the parents. (pardon me while I toss some cookies, speaking of...)

        Of course, that's assuming parents who have some sense of responsibility, and enough backbone to actually raise, limit, and discipline kids, rather than stuffing their faces to make them "feel good"... Where did they lose the backbone to tell their kids "NO!" and f'n mean it?
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        • Posted by 9 years, 9 months ago
          You only tell your kid "no" if you value them, if you want them to grow into a productive adult who values themself. Parents are lazy, weak and want a friend in their child...and all that responsibility stuff is really HARD... and let's face it... why, in the current state of this country, would such a parent start teaching discipline... is there any fear of them growing up and being homeless, or starving, or without any of life's necessities?? NO! Everything is funded for them regardless of effort. So who cares if they do well in school and learn anything, or behave, or are conscious of their surroundings or have any interest in life whatsoever? There is NO risk of failure anymore....so much so that soon they won't have to make one single decision for themselves...the friendly government will handle everything for them...."you just sit back and enjoy being a useless schlub, just remember who loves you and makes your life so easy...oh, and don't forget to vote."
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          • Posted by $ Susanne 9 years, 9 months ago
            No wonder all these life in prison shows are so popular nowadays - we're allowing the government to force us into raising convicts, not children. That's how they're going to separate the Morlocks from the Eloi (or for those not familiar with H G Wells, the Da Costas from the Delacourts)... the working class subjects will come from the force-grown convict base (as they have no rights); the ruling class, those who went to private schools and learned how to think, reason, and not be spoon fed by others.
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          • Posted by Hiraghm 9 years, 9 months ago
            Having observed life for half a century (having a vested interest and all), the one thing I've learned parents need to instill in their children is SELF discipline.

            it's a bit anti-Objectivist, but self-denial and self-sacrifice for the greater good is mandatory if you're going to be a success.

            Now, as LS and others rush to downcheck me, let me expound:

            self-discipline is the ability to deny oneself immediate gratification for long term well-being. This is NOT a natural, inbred ability, but a learned behavior. Perhaps one of the many things which separate us from the non-sapient animals.

            Every successful person I've ever known of has had varying degrees of self-discipline, in an almost 1:1 relationship to the degree of their success.

            It is not a coincidence that the long-time poor in this country are also failures and lack self-discpline. The ones with drug habits and ninety-leven children. Also the ones who've never done drugs and have nobody and nothing.

            "Nothing in the world can take the place of Persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan 'Press On' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race."
            Calvin Coolidge

            As much as I like and admire Coolidge... he's full of shit. Persistence and determination without self-discipline is just obsession. At the end of the fight you're left with nothing but exhaustion and confusion; and, if you care about winning to begin with, grief.

            Self-discipline makes you acquire the skills you're going to need to win. Self-discipline makes you do the work you have to do to win, rather than make excuses to do what interests you at the moment, or to wallow in self-pity because you just can't seem to get anything done... waaaah.

            And I speak as an absolute authority on the subject. I had wonderful parents, the best anyone could want; and I loathe people who blame their failure on their parents. I was their last-born, and was always little, and when I was a baby I got an ear infection that nearly killed me.
            This led them to become overprotective, I've concluded. I was unintentionally, psychologically discouraged from trying new things and taking chances, even amidst verbal mixed-messages telling me I can do anything I want.

            I became more aware of it after my father died; at one point I realized how often my mother said, "oh, if it's too hard, don't bother." or in a more worried voice, "Don't overdo it! Don't hurt yourself".

            This, combined with my father's knee-jerk opposition to authority, which led to no bed-times, no hygienic routines (tooth-brushing, bed-making, etc), no religious or after school commitments, no homework oversight, no vegetable eating before Reese's peanut butter cups, no mandatory attendance (in college I stopped going to a Chemistry lecture because one time I was late and was embarrassed to have 200 people stare at me as I walked in... a disciplined person would have rolled his ass out of bed earlier, instead). Instead I would go to a video game parlor named "Dark Star" and play Dragon's Lair at a dollar a pop until the lecture was over. And this is the first time I've ever even mentioned that to anyone....

            Once they're grown and have not developed the habits of self-discipline, it's too late. I know it seems like you should just be able to decide, "I'm going to be self-disciplined! This time for sure! I want this too badly to not try with everything I've got!"... but then you go and read messages in the Gulch rather than doing the Blender tutorial you're afraid of failing at, or adding the new scene to the story you're afraid to write.

            I'm out of answers. For me, I'm afraid it's too late. When this latest attempt to remake myself fails, it will be due to lack of self-discipline, and there won't be anymore tries left in me.

            Someone once told me that everyone's here for a purpose, if for no other reason than to serve as an example to others...

            So here I sit.

            If you love your kids, spank their asses, sit them down and make them work at whatever task is before them.

            Don't worry about how failing at the immediate task, or losing the immediate competition may hurt their feelings. Not learning self-discipline will destroy their lives, no matter how hard they cry now.
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            • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 9 months ago
              Hiraghm, thank you for your insight.

              first, I need to point out that you stated that self-denial
              and self-sacrifice for the greater good are mandatory.
              can we take this as "for the greater good of self"?

              if so, then you are consistent, in my view.

              I, too, had good parents. Dad was a stoic depression
              kid who loved the mountains. Mom was a southern
              belle from Atlanta. I learned self-discipline from both
              of them -- from dad, to be moral and make a living,
              and from mom, to be the perfect debutante escort
              and to conform.

              self-denial and self-sacrifice for my greater good
              led to a desire to be John Galt, since I first read AS
              when I was 18.

              I was whipped as a kid. I deserved it, because I was
              studiously testing the limits of mom and dad's parenting.

              I went to school, did well, got an air force scholarship
              and took my seat in chemistry whenever I got there.

              the big thing which I screwed up was marriage --
              I got married at 22. if she had wanted kids, we
              would probably still be married.

              but the self-discipline carried me through to a good
              engineering "career" and retirement. in the self-denial
              column, life compelled me to give up cigarettees and
              alcohol, but not motorcycles. the harley will power
              an O2 concentrator, if it comes to that. I imagine
              that it will.

              so here I sit, appreciating your testimonial....

              Thank You for your positive message! -- j

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    • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 9 months ago
      Are these the cookies that Hillary claimed to be baking so many years ago?

      "I suppose I could have stayed home and baked cookies and had teas, but what I decided to do was to fulfill my profession which I entered before my husband was in public life."

      Response to reporter's questions (16 March 1992), reported on "Making Hillary an Issue" Nightline (26 March 1992). Quoted in Boston Globe.
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      • Posted by $ Susanne 9 years, 9 months ago
        We could toss the baby out with the bathwater... or in her case, the baker out with the ruined cookies.

        Obviously - she chose the wrong profession... then again, so did her husband. Wrong for America, anyway.
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        • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 9 months ago
          As much as I disagreed with him, it scares the heck out of me to think that Clinton was the best president since Reagan. He actually knew how to govern. I did not like either Bush.
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          • Posted by $ Susanne 9 years, 9 months ago
            Hate to disagree, but I'll take HW's "no new taxes" gaffe over Clinton's numerous and expeditionary ventures from honesty...

            Now, if you'll pardon me, I won't have that staffer killed, while I don't inhale and not have sex. And while I'm at it, I'll use this cool thing I found called an executive order to change the nation to one I and my successors can rule. (Hey, chuckle, I c'n git rid of gun ownership too? Cool...)

            Were it not for Clinton's games and blatant and calculated abuse of power, those steering W down the rocky road to infamy would never have gotten away with what they did, setting the stage for the Dear Leader and the soon to be Queen Regent to make Ayn's predictions non-fiction. I would have *much* rather seen HW win a second term than putting a criminal enterprise into office.

            My brother - who lived in Arkansas at the time - said most people there voted for 3 dollar Bill just to get him OUT of the capitol in Little Rock...
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            • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 9 months ago
              Like I said, I didn't like Clinton at all. Perot, as paranoid as he was, would have been far better than HW or Clinton as president. Someone who didn't want Perot to win threatened to ruin Perot's daughter's wedding, and that was pretty much the end of what will be the last good era for America.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 9 months ago
    I won't cry over this decrease in altruism.
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    • Posted by 9 years, 9 months ago
      What?
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      • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 9 months ago
        I couldn't stand all the "mandatory fundraisers" that my family was required to participate in as part of their school - including bake sales. When our kids were in elementary school, it was almost weekly. Moreover, in each and every year, our kids were required to "volunteer" a certain number of hours.
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        • Posted by 9 years, 9 months ago
          I never participated in them with my kids. I pay taxes against my will already. But if they're going to ban junk food then cookie sales and candy sales shouldn't slide either. Otherwise it's a double standard. The PTA needs to wake up to gov interference.
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          • Posted by $ Mimi 9 years, 9 months ago
            I’ll point you back up. My daughter, who was known to be well behaved and a little shy at school, was forced to stand facing the wall at recess when she was seven years old because she dared to offer a cookie to a classmate, a little boy she had crush on during lunch. The school had a no-sharing-of-food policy. I felt so bad for her because it had been my idea in the first place to 'break the ice’. She was so humiliated she cried the rest of the afternoon. So sad. So stupid.
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            • Posted by 9 years, 9 months ago
              The sharing thing. I can't tell you how many times I've told small kids that they really can share but the reason everybody goes crazy is some kids have allergies but usually the adults know who they are and the allergic kids know who they are too. Also germs. I would tell them, "if YOU want to share YOUR snack that's your choice. What I don't like is when someone wants what you have and tries to get some of it. What's yours is yours so it's your choice. It's okay to say no."
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              • Posted by $ Mimi 9 years, 9 months ago
                I’m old school. I don’t remember anyone having an allergy when I was kid. Allergic to peanut butter? What? Un-American, I tell you.
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                • Posted by $ Susanne 9 years, 9 months ago
                  I was going to comment on the same thing... I remember *one* kid in school that was Nut Intolerant, and he told people he couldn't eat nuts... he didn't rely on the Nannyschool Administration to be his enforcer, he took personal responsibility for his condition.

                  The one that gets me? Gluten. I don't remember *anyone* who was Gluten Intolerant (or lactose intolerant, for that matter) in school... now it seems like most folk claim they *have* to have Gluten-Free whatever because Gluten is so evil awful bad... so they must be allergic to it. Lactose intolerance used to be fairly rare - now the world needs Soy Milk.

                  My question is this - assuming they are correct... what changed in the human GI tract over the past 50 years that we can't eat what we once did, and where will this end up?

                  (As Ma Chalmers stands up and does her cheerleader dance for Soybeans...)
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                  • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 9 months ago
                    That is actually a serious question that is being asked in the medical community. Why are there so many gluten intolerant people now when they were rare before?? The answers come in 3 categories: (1) change in wheat (known to have occurred with short wheat in the 1970's - but no known changes in gluten accompany this) (2) change in biome (we are just getting to understand how changes in our microbial flora affect our physiology - this is supported by some experimental transfers of micro-flora reversing Crohn's Syndrome in some people) and (3) changes in lifestyle (almost no one who eats short wheat and works 14 hours per day in the fields and dies of old age at the age of 42 has gluten sensitivities).

                    This is a real question and the answer is more likely in the realm of science than in the realm of politics.

                    Jan
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                • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 9 months ago
                  Other than peanuts and bee stings, I was allergic to pretty near everything as a kid. My parents drove me 80 miles once a month for a year when I was six so that I could get desensitized to an array of allergens. I looked like a drug addict when I came home, but it worked. I'm not allergic to anything anymore.
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                  • Posted by $ Susanne 9 years, 9 months ago
                    I remember kids like you... we called them the Pincushions. :-)

                    My only allergies were some redwood dusts (tho not cinnamon) and certain pollens (eg Hay Fever). Finally outgrew that, but now that I live on one microclimate and work in another, my hay fever gives me fits - I'm fine by Sunday, then Monday, wham.

                    Add this to the many reasons that I need to expand *my* business and retire from the other! :-)
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            • Posted by TheRealBill 9 years, 9 months ago
              Truly voluntary sharing goes against the tenets of government socialism as it demonstrates people don't need to be forced into it. Furthermore by suppressing the sharing effort you can then apply guilt over not sharing in order to justify mandatory sharing. Finally, if you weren't smart enough to see the need for sharing, you aren't smart enough to decide how much and to whom it should go.

              This is part and parcel to purveying government control over such things.
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  • Posted by $ KahnQuest 9 years, 9 months ago
    I'd say it's a veiled attempt to shut down the entrepreneurial spirit. I avoid shopping on weekends like the plague, because everywhere I go there are a bunch of kids in football uniforms holding their helmets out for donations. I would much rather see a bake sale or a carwash (i.e. them offering something of value). These Looters are basically teaching kids that it's just easier to beg.

    On another note, I remember a friend in college who had the entrepreneurial spirit. He capitalized on the laziness of his fellow dorm-mates, who would pay double for candy bars, chips, and sodas... to avoid descending and climbing two flights of stairs to get them from a vending machine.
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  • Posted by Notperfect 9 years, 9 months ago
    Please pray that my granddaughter does not get caught selling those black market "Sweet Potato" biscuits her grandmother taught her to make. A history lesson also. They were Thomas Jefferson's favorite.
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    • Posted by khalling 9 years, 9 months ago
      recipe! yum
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      • Posted by Notperfect 9 years, 9 months ago
        1 batch makes about 3 doz. 5 cups all-purpose flour 1 cup packed light brown sugar 2 tablespoons baking powder 1 1/2 teaspoons ground cinnamon 1 teaspoon salt 1 teaspoon ground ginger 1/2 teaspoon allspice 1 cup vegetable shortening 2 cups cooked, mashed, and cooled sweet potato (about 2 large potatoes) 1 cup heavy cream 1/2 cup coarsely chopped pecans Preheat oven to 400 degrees F In a large mixing bowl, add the flour, brown sugar, baking powder, cinnamon, salt, ginger, allspice and stir to combine Add the shortening, and cut in with two knives until crumbly. Add the sweet potato, and mix well with a wooden spoon. Add the cream and pecans, and stir just until moistened. Turn the dough out onto a lightly floured surface. Roll out the dough to 1 1/2 inches thick. Cut out biscuits with a 2-inch floured biscuit cutter. Place the biscuits 1 inch apart on ungreased baking pans. Set the pans in the oven, reduce the oven temp. to 350 degrees, and bake for 25-30 minutes, or until golden brown. Serve warm or let cool on a wire rack to room temp. The biscuit dough freezes beautifully unbaked, layer it between wax paper and store for up to 3 months. Defrost and follow baking directions. It pays to make a double batch of these and freeze half for later. I have eaten as soon as they come from the oven with butter slathered all over. Need I say more!!!!!!! Try and let us know what happens.
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  • Posted by mckenziecalhoun 9 years, 9 months ago
    Already know about this as a former teacher.
    We were told cupcakes and cakes were not allowed at birthdays. Healthy snacks only.

    Parents LOVED that one.
    The response was "to heck with you and the teacher I'm walking in with the treats anyway and you can confront me then."

    No one did (I told them of the school policy and then told them if they disagree they are free to do what their conscience told them (and I said it with a smile).

    My principal didn't like me much.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 9 months ago
    Gov't paying for schools means this is a matter for public debate. Imagine if gov't didn't pay for schools or maybe just provided vouchers to be spent as people wanted. This would be a choice for families, not a public debate
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  • Posted by peterchunt 9 years, 9 months ago
    First the big gulp, then the mandated “food kids don’t eat” and now bake sales. Before you know it big government will mandate what you can eat in your own home. This is the agenda of the progressive left: control everything.
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    • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 9 months ago
      It is the left/right battle that threatens to control everything. It gives you the choice of gov't harassing you or supposedly only the other guy, not good people like you. It drives away the option of leaving you and the other guy alone.
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    • Posted by 9 years, 9 months ago
      We pay taxes... the schools belong to us, we get to say. Although the obvious solution is to pay for and bring your own lunch and snacks. If they start confiscating unhealthy lunches let the grand wake-up of parents begin. BUT alas I am fantasizing. Parents won't feed their own kids. Silly me.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 9 months ago
    When I was a lad I had a paper route and on weekends, my best friend, Carl Mitchell and I would cook up a batch of lemon tarts in his mom's kitchen and sold them door-to-door. We never paid his mom back for supplying the materials but we did pick up movie and popcorn money on Saturdays. I should mention that one of our experiments with "cooking" failed. Actually it was brewing. Carl found an abandoned capper - a device that but caps on beer bottles and soda bottles. He sent away for caps and a root beer kit which comprised of root beer flavoring, and yeast to make the bubbles. All you had to do was add water and a ton of or so of sugar. The kit made up ten dozen bottles (which we gleaned from the alleys of Detroit) of root beer. What we didn't know was that the mixture should be allowed to ferment before bottling. That night, Carl's family was awakened at about 3 am by gunshot-like explosions coming from their basement. It was the fermenting bottles of root beer exploding as they expanded in the bottles turning them into mini-cannons. I think Carl slept out in the garage for a week. I got off scot-free.
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  • Posted by wiggys 9 years, 9 months ago
    i didn't realize how far a pres could go with loonacy but it is so obvious as to be pathetic. what is even more appalling is the fact that the pres does not recognize when he is being rejected. and it is not only this but more things than can be counted on all fingers and toes. I think the pres has no capacity to think, as he never learned.
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    • Posted by 9 years, 9 months ago
      He knows EXACTLY what he's doing...he SAID he was going to do it and either the idiot people didn't hear him or they thought he meant "transform America" in some other way than how bo meant it. Transform = weaken, change, ruin, destroy...
      and he's getting away with it!! Who's pathetic, and appalling, and full of lunacy? Who's the guiltiest man in the room? In other words...who's not stopping him???
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      • Posted by wiggys 9 years, 9 months ago
        every damn politician in the country has chosen not to stop him. they must think if they do think which I doubt that things will go back the way they were before he was elected. the reality is that things will never be the same.
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        • Posted by 9 years, 9 months ago
          Um.. the voters voted in said politicians...so who's to blame exactly? And WHO Isn't stopping him? (I should really say, who's not stopping THEM, cuz he ain't working alone. ) Also, we need to go back to waaaaay before 2008.
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