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What would you do? What would John Galt do?

Posted by dbhalling 9 years, 9 months ago to Politics
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You walk into a small beach bar on the ocean and a guy is sitting there. You have met him at this establishment before so you sit down near him and strike up a conversation. This is the sort of bar where patrons generally talk freely amongst each other. The man was in politics years ago in Kansas and occasionally brings up political topics. You know that his opinions are all over the map and have even moved to the pool table in the sand in order to not listen to him before. You try to steer the conversation away from politics, but he is not deterred. Then he says:
1) He is for raising the minimum wage
What would you do?
2) He states that minimum wage will not affect unemployment and the law of supply and demand has been repealed.
What would you do?
3) Then he says Obamacare is great.
WWYD?
4) After explaining that the only areas were the cost of medical has gone down are those the government stayed out of (e.g., Laser correction surgery), he says we are the only advanced nation without nationalized health care.
WWYD?
5) Then he says kathleen sebelius, who is from Kansas, is a wonderful women.
6) Then he calls you a racist, because you state Obama has the same philosophy Stalin, Moa, Hilter, etc.
7) Then he states we should get rid of the Constitution.
WWYD?


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  • Posted by Notperfect 9 years, 9 months ago
    Stand up and show him my tee-shirt I am wearing to see if anything is brewing up there in his head.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Maybe the ones that were put together badly by a bunch of dumb broads never made it home?

    More likely, it's because the B-17s were put together by real women, who loved the men fighting overseas, even the ones they didn't know, loved them for being men, and were extra careful and attentive in their work to make sure those B-17s miraculously brought lovers, fathers, sons home again. Which they did.


    "It is impossible for a man to love his wife wholeheartedly without loving all women somewhat." - Robert A. Heinlein

    I've discovered this to be true (even having no wife), and I'd be willing to bet the converse is true for women, as well.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm torn. I really like the scene where they're going through the chompy things... "whoever wrote this episode should DIE!"

    Every time I see a news report talking about the "unaccompanied minors" coming across the border, I find myself quoting Alan Rickman...

    "MINERS, not MINORS!"
    "You lost me"
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Oh there's a LOT I like about Galaxy Quest. A very underrated movie, IMO.

    The scene where Taggart discovers he's a joke... the scene where he decides to be the character he played at being. Sigourney Weaver (looking surprisingly beautiful; can't believe I said that about a communist) giving such expressive looks as she observes his evolution.
    Alan Rickman's evolution when he loses his one fan.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Because they are always the oppressed. Even that fat pig Michael Moore - the one with what, 7 or 8 multi-million dollar homes, but he's not part of the 1%
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 9 months ago
    That would have hastened what we have now by a few years. It would have been less than eight, because GW Bush did advance a decent portion of Al Gore's agenda.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I cannot speak to every case, but I looked at Woodrow Wilson's election 1912. He won by a landslide. Taking away the vote from women (note Women's suffrage was not until 1920) would have made not difference. If he had not won it would have been Teddy Roosevelt, either way we have a progressive. On that note TDR won before women's suffrage and FDR won four elections and most of them were not close. The facts just do not support that women are the reason for the regressivist movement in the US.
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  • Posted by richrobinson 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The recount mess was all his fault. I do think that he was planning on the Presidency since he was a sperm. I am sure his lawyers convinced him they could win that battle. Once it was obvious he could not he stepped aside. I do think from time to time what things would have been like if he won...
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Women getting the right to vote happened in the same era as the cause of the decline of America, but it wasn't the cause. "Progressivism", as embodied by the Roosevelts and Woodrow Wilson, along with the establishment of the Federal Reserve system and the income tax, were the causes. Correlation does not imply causation.
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  • Posted by BambiB 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Is it misogyny to expect fact-based rational discussion?

    Oh well. Then just call me a misogynist.
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  • Posted by $ Mimi 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You have ben pushing the Lott paper maybe six months? Do you want to discuss it? That would be fine. The problem is you don’t stay within the perimeters of his paper. Does he conclude or otherwise indicate that the solution is to take the vote away from women? I don’t think so. But, that’s the argument you put forth. You don’t respond to questions ask of you. If you reason and think that the solution is to take away the vote from women, then please...tell me what the landscape will look like after such actions. What role would women play? I’m half-tempted to write Lott and ask him what conclusion he thinks an audience should have taken away from his findings, because your interpretation isn’t very constructive or likely to provide sound results.
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  • Posted by $ rockymountainpirate 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    As a women, I have been in the military and in law enforcement. I have never received welfare or depended on a man for support. So your blanket rant that women are destroying America isn't true in at least 1 case. I know of many more.

    I have not read John Lott's paper and I don't want to either.
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  • Posted by BambiB 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Then engage on the facts. I say that when women got the vote, they began running up debt. If you've read the John Lott paper, you know what facts are laid out, Show me facts in opposition. That's not a rant. It's an "inconvenient truth" for people who do not want to acknowledge the FACT that women are destroying America.
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  • Posted by BambiB 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Didn't start out that way.

    It started out with me presenting facts that the women here did not want to hear. They started the name-calling and refused to engage ON THE FACTS.

    The more they deny the obvious, engage in personal attacks and refuse to engage on a FACTUAL basis, the more it becomes clear that they're dishonest or mentally challenged. In either case, their opinions become meaningless.

    You'll note that NOT ONE has engaged on the facts in the John Lott paper on the effects of women voting. The problem is the women here don't LIKE the facts and they cannot DISPUTE the facts. All that's left to them is name-calling fits. If they receive insults in response to their insults, it's no less than they deserve.

    If they would engage on facts, they'd find my posts will lose their barbs - but the facts can be pretty thorny things all by themselves… especially when none support your sacred beliefs.

    For the record, I assert that our economic system did not go haywire (begin its plunge into irrecoverable debt) until women began to vote, that women voting was the primary and proximate cause of the aggregation of debt and the female vote is responsible for the vast majority of the unfunded mandates (mostly social welfare programs) which are estimated to be on the order of $200 trillion over the next 50 years. I further assert that if women did NOT vote, that most of our current $17+ trillion dollar debt would not exist.

    In short, women in America act like they think government spending is a "no limit" credit card that never has to be paid off and when this is mentioned they don't want to talk about it.

    It is the majority of women (and a minority of men), through this financial evisceration of the government (while demanding that it grow to meet their every whim) who are destroying America.

    Anyone have FACTS to the contrary? Let 'er rip.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I hold Al Gore singlehandedly responsible for bringing down the stock market by 15% during his temper tantrum after the 2000 election. He was a crybaby.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Al Gore was not at all gracious in defeat. Notice that he didn't call for a full recount in Florida. He only called for a recount in those counties that were likely to benefit him.
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  • Posted by IndianaGary 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Fingernails on a blackboard. I can still hear it and see the crew's reaction. Especially the Captain's.
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  • Posted by richrobinson 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Clinton and Gingrich worked out a Welfare reform law that by most accounts I have read worked extremely well. Obama, illegally, gutted it. Obama has shown no interest in working with House Republicans. I believe it to be part arrogance and part inexperience. The Supreme Court didn't select Bush. The Florida Supreme Court illegally ruled that the vote counting could go on in direct violation of Florida law. FOIA requests and future counts verified that Bush did in fact win. On a side note. I thought Al Gore was quite gracious when he conceded. It had to be the most difficult thing he ever had to do. Limbaugh and other right wing commentators made fun of him and I didn't like that. I found it quite childish.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I wish I could find it, I've tried for almost 30 years and can't, but...

    There was a study cited in a science magazine in the mid-80s. The study examined how men and women viewed justice.

    The women in the study tended to view justice as doing the least harm to the least number, while the men viewed it as punishing bad behavior and rewarding good behavior.

    The conclusion was that these views were a result of our early roles; men went out on the hunt where making mistakes gets people killed, whereas women were left as the only fully able-bodied to run a camp full of the elderly, the crippled and children. Letting interpersonal situations get out of hand would result in harm, there.

    Assuming this study is accurate in their findings and conclusions, it makes sense that as women gain influence in society and government, the nature of the society and government would change.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    AR was remarkably effective at handling situations similar to those that db posed in this thread.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Stand them on their heads and they all look like sisters"...

    A saying from the bad old days when women still wore dresses and skirts....

    (isn't it funny how guys who dress like girls are called "transvestites" but women dress like men every day and nobody thinks anything of it?)
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