Both Left AND Right must stop clobbering constitutional rights
Intresting note about how it is BOTH sides of issues that keep crushing the constitutional and just expected rights of all of us. It cannot be either side wins, because no side will ever be the winner in the silliness today. The system was aways set up to be 2 pasrties in balance, and a government balanced three ways just to make sure no one party could hijack the lot.
We now also have been made aware of the 3rd iteration of a "3rd party" candidacy in the making with Ohio Republican Governor - John Kasich and his proposed running mate, the Democrat Governor from the state of Colorado. None of the three candidacies were ever really supposed to win, just drain off enough votes so that the oligarch's candidate would (I.e., Wilson, Clinton and now to get rid of Trump). CFR anyone?
I meant this to be an answer to ewv's comment, but sometimes the machines seem to go wrong.
DeVros is right, and Sessions is wrong on these two issues. Big time.
They rarely think of explicit philosophical principles and don't evaluate them. They simply accept the slogans uncritically as part of their world-view. Much of it is implicit and not even consistent, especially to the extent that they still have some remnants of the American sense of life and want to pursue their own happiness and goals and are willing to work for them.
It's not just "big government". That is too vague, and an anti-conceptual conservative approach. We need a government big enough to do what it is supposed to do protecting a multi-trillion dollar advance economy and the rights of hundreds of millions of citizens. They don't consider what a proper government is supposed to do.
They have no philosophical basis from which to understand and answer that. By accepting what they have been taught and heard around them since early childhood they vaguely hold that sacrifice to others is the standard of morality itself, it is good to 'help people' (with no qualifications), we have to 'live for country' as a collective, reason can't answer important questions of human value, people would be 'dying in the streets' without the welfare state, we 'have to be practical' without regard to principles, etc. etc. They have no conception of 'favorite programs' not being funded and provided by government.
I don't think that today they would vote for a 50% cut in taxes that would cut their emotionally accepted notion of government. They think there is only inefficient "waste" and "corruption" that would take care of it if weeded out. They don't even realize that most of the budget is entitlement programs like Social Security.
You don't need a survey. Just talk to people about how they 'feel' about these things, and don't expect a philosophical discussion.
The "bridge to nowhere" was intended to benefit some isolate people; it wasn't literally to "nowhere". What they don't question is that most of the budget is based on the same redistributionist premise.
Most people are not interested in or knowledgeable about explicit philosophical principles or their roots. But they have accepted philosophical premises nevertheless, if only by uncritically absorbing what is around them on all sides and accepting it in vague, emotional form. Reality does not spare them for it.
The professional lobbyists do expect 'something back' -- policies that will either impose and further their ideology (like the Sorros types) or financial policies they benefit from, either by being in on the racket or policies to leave them alone. Of course the system is corrupt, which is why some people have to pay them to be left alone. The statist ideology embedded in a fascistic government makes it corrupt.
A good case history is John Jacob's (sympathetic) biography of Rep Phil Burton (D-San Francisco): A Rage for Justice: The Passion and Politics of Philip Burton. Burton ruthlessly clawed his way up through California politics and was an infamous ideological power broker as a Congressman in Washington from 1964-83. Throughout his 'career' he did enormous damage both as an astute, cunning, knowledgeable Machiavellian and a dedicated leftist ideologue.
In 1959 he told an editor that in the CA legislature -- at a time when welfare was not popular there -- that he supported any bill that "gives something to someone who hasn't got it". He told another reporter in 1963, "I already bankrupted one budget, I need a bigger one to play with." And he was off to Washington.
Jacobs wrote that
"Burton was considered the most knowledgeable liberal in the House on social insurance programs" and was asked "to help draft welfare legislation... By mastering arcane subject matter, Burton converted his superior knowledge into power, ran over opponents, and served poor people all at the same time."
And (about Nixon's welfare bills):
"'I don't care if it's a dime' In establishing the principle of a federal entitlement, he knew he could always manipulate the figures upward as he had with so many other programs. "If we enact FAP [Family Assistance Plan], I'll bust the federal government within two years."
In another quote I can't find right now he said that it was his job to get spending approved and it was up to someone else to find a way to pay for it.
Nancy Pelosi was Burton's hand-picked successor.
It wasn't just welfare statism. The reason I looked him up is his history with Federal land acquisition. He was known for "Park Barrel Politics" in which he paid off lobbyists like the Sierra Club and appealed to emotional imagery of scenery while, mostly in the 1970s, ramming through some of the nastiest Wilderness and National Park Service forced acquisition legislation, employing mass condemnations, that the country had seen. His statism had no regard whatsoever for the rights of the individual. It was all collectivist entitlements. You should read the book to see how he understood and ruthlessly maneuvered the "nuts and bolts" for his ideology.
How do you think they do it? Do you think they evaluate the ideology? I think you're saying they evaluate the ideology, but unfortunately they accept ideologies of big gov't.
I think the opposite: they're against "big gov't" if you ask, but they usually don't have a vehicle to vote for whether they want more or less gov't. All they can do is make sure the representatives know various programs that are important to them: cancer research, military, research grants, long prison sentences, Medicaid funding for nursing home care, anti-terrorism, education. You can make sure your favorite program gets funded. It's harder to promote across-the-board cuts.
In my theory, if you asked them how they'd like paying 50% less taxes, and it would cut all kinds of programs they don't care about, but unfortunately something they do care about and benefit from, people would say YES. We don't have a vehicle to ask the question though.
Thanks for the interesting comment BTW. I wonder if there's any surveys or something to find out which one of us (if either) is right.
Most of them are the 'popularity' types, with shallow understanding; and despite 'charisma' for the gullible, they can be quite nasty personally while knowing how to fake being 'nice'. But they know what platitudes are generally accepted and take them for granted themselves as justification. Particularly on the left, especially the viro left, there are a lot of hard core ideologues, which is not to say that they have any serious intellectual understanding of history, let alone philosophy, either. They have latched onto an ideology in terms of slogans and feelings and push it without compromise, but that doesn't mean they are original thinkers or write treatises like a Lenin. They concentrate on being experts in the contemporary political realms they operate in.
Somewhat more intellectual have been their counterparts in Britain following the Fabians, which was an intellectual socialist movement (started in the late 19th century) specifically out to spread the ideas throughout the professions and society and impose them by force of government. The Fabians also had a big influence in America especially in the 1920s-40s (including through Keynes), and built the Labour Party in Britain. An earlier intellectual example from the US is the progressive statist Wilson, from Princeton.
Some politicians today are dummkopfs about even the nuts and bolts of government. But they have a 'sense of smell' of how to operate in Washington political wheeling and dealing. Others are very much experts at it, which is how they slither into leadership positions and otherwise become very powerful. Both types at least vaguely support the ideology of collectivism and pragmatist statism as their motive and justification. I don't accuse them of being the intellectuals. Those operate in the universities, training the next wave of both politicians and voters.
If there are few who are personally motivated by a mafia-like desire for personal power alone, there are plenty of Machiavellian power seekers steeped in ideology. They go together.
You find this repeated in political biographies and can see it yourself if you are unfortunate enough to wind up battling over something in Washington politics. It's a big mistake to think that the problem is just weak or evil personalities who happen to get power through their personalities like the high school class president and who operate just for pork.
Money is a medium of exchange. If I make a circuit board and want to trade it for something completely unrelated, like a flight to France, I will not have a problem finding a medium of exchange. If there were no money, I'd have to accept something that most people like, like coffee. Then I'd take the coffee to the airline. That's not the case. There's no problem finding media of exchange in the modern world.
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