#WhoisJohngalt2014 Can you find the problem with this photo?

Posted by LetsShrug 9 years, 9 months ago to Pics
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Can you answer these questions?:

Where was this photo taken?

And which of these things doesn't belong?


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  • Posted by lrbeggs 9 years, 9 months ago
    Airplane and water bottle. Only an adept international spy could have smuggled that on board.
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    • Posted by BambiB 9 years, 9 months ago
      I've flown with live ammo in my carryon. Went through security a total of four times on the trip. They never detected the 7 rounds of .45ACP ammo. I'd used the bag at the range prior to flying and forgot the ammo was there. Fortunately, TSA wasn't able to "remind" me… but it only underscores what I believe about the whole Homeland Security/TSA sham - it's security theater at best. The real function is to teach citizens to "comply".
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    • Posted by 9 years, 9 months ago
      And I didn't even do it on purpose.... IDIOTS!
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      • Posted by $ Susanne 9 years, 9 months ago
        I had this pretty cool CRKT Folder that used to live in my carry-on, unless I was traveling, where I was very conscious to put in my checked bag. It had been around the world more than once, and it was reliable as all get out.

        Anyway, the stupid knife disappeared - I had thought it fell out of the bag somewhere, and figured it long gone.

        Months (and many trips) later, I was coming back through Airport Security at Pulkovo (St Peterburg, Russia) to get to Domodedovo and then back home... and the Militia guy running the X-ray machine pulled my bag, and asked me what was in the bottom of it. I had no idea, and emptied it out - nothing there. He re-ran the empty bag, and said it was still there. Hmmm..

        I pulled the lining of the bag, and there it was - the knife - had wedged itself into the framework of the bag. Oops.

        He told me I could either send it to myself or check it, but I had to catch that flight to connect back out to SFO later that day (it was the last day on my visa) - and it left in 30 minutes. Bleah! Talk about embarrassing... (at least he was understanding about it... if it were TSA it *would* have ended badly...) I asked if I could surrender it, he asked me not to, as it was too nice a blade. But time was ticking... So I made a snap decision.

        I told him it's story, that it had been around the world twice, and all over the US and Europe... Took his hand, handed it to him, and made him promise NOT to throw it out but keep it, use it, and take care of it. He kept asking "are you sure, are you sure?"...

        I stood there until he turned his back (and slipped it into his pocket), thanked him and ran to catch the plane. OK, some may not understand... but the smile on his face was enough. I'm sure the adventures of that CRKT lives on... in St Petersburg.

        At lease it didn't end up in the pseudo trash-bin of TSA's to get auctioned off as "recovered contraband"... As an aside, I found out (on a later trip) from Aviation Security in Moscow that they are required to give extra scrutiny to US bound passengers - especially if they have a US passport - at the request of TSA. Why am I not surprised...
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  • Posted by $ pixelate 9 years, 9 months ago
    A couple years ago, I am going through Phoenix airport security with a friend after having crossed the Grand Canyon. Anyway, he sends his backpack through the scanners... picks it up on the other end. We get to our gate and he looks at his pack, then looks at me and says "This pack still has three quarts of water in it and nobody said a word." So much for security. The other bit that gets me - you are walking up to the security cattle corral and the officer sees you holding a bottle of water. Can't bring that bottle through security -- so what do they do with it? Drop it into the trash can sitting right there in the security area... Now what would happen if that bottle contained bleach and a sugar cap... and another person, 10 minutes later, ends up discarding a glass bottle - this time with hydrochloric acid and a soluble plastic cap. Several minutes later, the two ingredients react to form a poisonous green chlorine fume. Depending on the volume of the trash can, most of the heavy chlorine would sit in the can until such time as the liner and contents were dumped into a larger mobile trash bin. At that time, the chlorine would make a real mess... The point here: if those water bottles are supposedly dangerous, why are they then treated like water in the context of their disinterested disposal? Answer: for the purpose of creating The Theater of Security.
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  • Posted by richrobinson 9 years, 9 months ago
    On a plane. I thought you weren't allowed bottled water.
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      Posted by 9 years, 9 months ago
      Bingo... the tsa thugs stole a bottle of hand soap out of one of my suitcases, fished through another suitcase looking for something suspicious, I figured it was the smoked salmon I had frozen and wrapped in the inside flat, but no, it turned out to be some Mackinac fudge (all the time reminding me I'm not allowed to touch my bags while they search them ... as if I made a move to do so and as if the bags didn't belong to ME!) and then announcing "ugh, that fudge gets us every time"... but apparently the water doesn't get them everytime. I had forgotten it was in my tote..an half full (half empty?) open bottle of water.. gasp!!! I felt so safe after being searched by icky characters with a blue shirt and a badge. WHAT A WASTE OF RESOURCES! Also, we were herded through the 'expedited' security line, where we had the constant reminder being announced that we got to keep our shoes on (imagine how special I felt!), and they were doing random hand swabs to check for....? They also swabbed the inside of one of my suitcases they opened too... what did they just swipe inside MY suitcase?? I mentioned "Hmmm this does NOT feel like freedom" a few times while getting herded, and I think I mooed twice. Stand by for a fun return home flight story... people FREAK me out!
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      • Posted by Solver 9 years, 9 months ago
        It looks like today TSA has more than doubled the costs to everyone so that they can trash more water bottles, take away more nail clippers and forbid more laptops with dead batteries. Will we be more safe? We are less free.
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      • Posted by BambiB 9 years, 9 months ago
        I prefer to take a firearm with me when I fly. That way, I can declare it at check in, go to the TSA station to have the bag checked, in my presence, then LOCKED (so some TSA stooge further down the line can't get into it).

        The swiping of suitcases is probably a test for nitrates. Hear that, all you gardeners? Take a couple grams of very finely ground potassium nitrate, drop on the conveyer belt, and watch TSA "detect nitrate" all day long.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 9 months ago
        My mom is a retired school teacher who lives with my dad who's a banker in FL. They thought they found explosives residue on her, and she had to have a little more intensive search through her stuff. Nothing came of it; they quickly worked out it was a false positive. It's absurd b/c neither of my parents have ever worked around chemicals of any sort and live very ordinary lives in FL.

        I travel international sometimes, sometimes after having worked with chemicals and with a checked bag full of electronic parts, and I have never had to do the additional screening. It must be just luck.
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        • Posted by TheRealBill 9 years, 9 months ago
          In the army to simulate chemical agent tests coming up during training we'd often use Windex. I'd be surprised if sniffers today were not sometimes fooled by everyday chemicals.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 9 months ago
    OK -- so I'm disabled. I walk with a cane. I wear a boot with an orthopedic brace on my left foot. For a few years after 911, I had to travel from Florida to California once a year for a number years. I cannot begin to describe what a hassle it was then to take off the brace which entailed laces, straps, and assorted bells and whistles. And then, to try to walk through the detection unit without my cane, which was made of wood fashioned for me by my Eagle Scout grandson. After that experience, we drove the 2,500 miles or so for the next three years.
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  • Posted by DaveM49 9 years, 9 months ago
    I once had the TSA steal three (of six) guitar strings out of a CHECKED BAG. No explanation ever offered, nor was I about to ask for one.

    The last time I traveled by air I was in a somewhat whimsical mood. So....as I was traveling to perform a wedding (I am a "mail order minister"), I wore a clerical collar to the airport. I had a bottle of water in my carry-on bag ("holy water" if anyone asked), and several other items that were too large for TSA regulations. They looked at me and didn't even open my bag.

    I was amazed. I had half-expected to end up in The Little Room. It can't be that easy to breeze past the TSA....can it?
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    • Posted by khalling 9 years, 9 months ago
      Some member of my family is almost always targeted-usually my son. He has a very cleancut appearance but an unusual name. He is always asked for the extra patdown and luggage look through.
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      • Posted by DaveM49 9 years, 9 months ago
        I was once "randomly selected" for "enhanced screening" (I think that was what they called it). They seemed disappointed when they couldn't find anything, which concerned me a bit. I would not put anyone in the TSA past planting items to make themselves look good.

        Funny thing is, over the years I have thought of many ways that different potential weapons could be gotten past TSA screening. If they occurred to me, those with evil intent must know of them and more.

        In one airport I have used a fair number of times, there is a steakhouse at the far end of the concourse. Where you get real steak knives. Long after you pass through any form of screening. It's cafeteria-style, so you get your silverware from a group of tubs at the end of the line.
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        • Posted by BambiB 9 years, 9 months ago
          The easiest way is to bribe someone who works at the airport. Catering service for example. You think they check all their comings and goings? Not a chance.
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          • Posted by DaveM49 9 years, 9 months ago
            Quite so. There are a number of "invisible" people at any airport. People who drive baggage carts and fuel trucks, for example. Or any number of other "support staff".

            Not sure if anyone here has ever read Frank Abignale's delightful book, "Catch Me If You Can". He had a "replica" pilot's license made, then went to Eastern Airlines and requisitioned a complete uniform including insignia, claiming to be an employee. He then flew all over the world as a "pilot" who was given free transportation as a courtesy, and wrote large phony checks at each stop along the way.

            Surely one could not get away with that now....could they?

            On another occasion, he stole a mail cart, rented a security guard's uniform, and stood next to the after hours deposit slot at a bank, on which he had placed an "out of order" sign. Police did show up at one point. They helped him put the cart in his vehicle.
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            • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 9 months ago
              Most companies employ positive pay now, so it would be MUCH more difficult to do the check fraud thing.

              Interesting movie, BTW, even though I'm not a big fan of Di Caprio.
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              • Posted by DaveM49 9 years, 9 months ago
                The book is far more detailed than the movie, though was movie was "fun", casting notwithstanding. The main point made by the author in the book is that people tend very strongly to believe that when someone "looks right"....they are who they claim they are. Frank Abagnale was at various times a "doctor", a "professor", a law clerk for the state of Kentucky (I think), and I forget what else.

                I quite agree that he would be unlikely to get away with at least some of his scams now due to changes in technology (some of them suggested by Frank Abagnale, who is now making a fortune as a security consultant). That said....when you see someone in a pilot's uniform, how often do you consider that s/he might be an impostor? I don't believe I ever have.

                My father practiced law for 23 years. Not one, by his account, did anyone ever ask to see his license to practice.
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                • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 9 months ago
                  Agreed. Most people initially want to believe that someone else is honest, which is why lying and deceit are so debilitating to society.
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                  • Posted by DaveM49 9 years, 9 months ago
                    Oh yes. There is a somewhat obscure book, "Cheaters Always Prosper", in which the author describes around 50 ways in which he supposedly "gamed the system" or similar, to his benefit. It can be enlightening reading, in that it shows the assumptions many people make and how they can be use to their disadvantage.

                    Not sure if it is still true, but I knew a couple years ago who got a new TV every 11 months, taking advantage of a retailer's one year return policy. They did not seem to have any qualms about it or even to regard what they were doing as dishonest.
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                    • Posted by DaveM49 9 years, 9 months ago
                      I will add that there are innocuous ways of using this assumption to one's benefit without being overtly dishonest. If you want to be invisible in a public setting, especially while "loitering", carry a clipboard and make a note every now and then. Should anyone ask (and chances are no one will), make some vague comment about "survey" or "inspection". And if they keep bothering you, take pen in hand and ask if they would like to participate in the survey.

                      Not sure whether this would still be true (though I wouldn't be at all surprised), but years ago I found that I never had any trouble hiking across private land as long as I had a camera slung around my neck (granted, I was working as a nature photographer, but even so). Binoculars and "bird watching" work well also. On the rare occasions that I encountered land owners, not only did they have no problem with my presence, they often pointed out places I might want to photograph and provided directions. Of course, had I been asked to leave I would have done so immediately.

                      If you look like you belong where you are or appear to have some sort of "status", virtually everyone will assume you are who you appear to be. Can be useful in "shrugging", but I also find it a bit scary.
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  • Posted by NealS 9 years, 9 months ago
    Todays news from the Ukraine proves the theory about the TSA being a sham. If an airplane or two of ours were shot down we might actually come around and do something about it, and I need to emphasize might. Instead we go through all these antics that just take away our freedom. We don't really seem to care about others that are shot down, or countries that shoot missiles into other countries, or aggressive countries that invade other countries, or even being ruled in our own country, we even bend to the ridiculous demands of foreigners in our country in order to comply with political correctness. Either we will wake up and do something someday, or we will continue to just stand in line while the TSA harasses us just for fun and our country gets down to just like the places where those trying to come here are trying to escape from.. I guess what I'm trying to say, everything seems to be a scam today, we've lost our morals, or beliefs, our honor, and soon our way of life.
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  • Posted by Non_mooching_artist 9 years, 9 months ago
    On a plane with contraband water? I see a shoe also. Maybe your hand, lol!
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    • Posted by 9 years, 9 months ago
      My son's feet and legs... my hand holding the bottle... I would have rather held it up to see the aisle and passengers in the background but didn't want to advertise the water bottle by holding it up. There was enough commotion going on with the weird doll someone had strapped into a seat they thought was vacant.
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  • Posted by LaMuse 9 years, 9 months ago
    We were detained by customs in Aruba because the seeds in my husband's prostate set off a radiation detector. The agent didn't quite know what to do - he asked us what type of isotope was used - what? Never thought that would be something to worry about but now we take medical records when we travel. Just an FYI.....
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  • Posted by Temlakos 9 years, 9 months ago
    Taken from an airliner seat, looking at the seatback ahead. The object is a water bottle. TSA no longer allows anything like that on board, and certainly nothing so large. So unless the cabin attendants handed that out, that picture is a fake.
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    • Posted by 9 years, 9 months ago
      lol That picture is NOT fake! I wish I hadn't drank most of the water out of it before I thought to take a photo. It's MY picture. TSA let a half full bottle of Walmart water through security. Safety is job one, ya know?
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      • Posted by Temlakos 9 years, 9 months ago
        El Al still handles their own security at airports worldwide. They still grill you to make sure you can keep your story straight.
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        • Posted by 9 years, 9 months ago
          I wasn't asked for a story.
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          • Posted by Temlakos 9 years, 9 months ago
            Well, you didn't say you flew on El Al Airlines, either. They're the only airline that does "behavioral profiling.":
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            • Posted by 9 years, 9 months ago
              Because I didn't. I've never heard of El Al airlines and didn't know what you were talking about. Behavioral profiling.... how do terrorists "behave".
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              • Posted by Temlakos 9 years, 9 months ago
                El Al is the national-flag airline of Israel.

                And how do terrorists behave? They can't keep their stories straight under repeated grilling.

                A twitch here, a detail out-of-place there, and the next thing you know...!
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                • Posted by 9 years, 9 months ago
                  hmmm you'd think a good terrorist would have a solid "story".
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                  • Posted by Temlakos 9 years, 9 months ago
                    Well, hey--El Al hasn't lost a plane yet. And the last time any perps even got on board was for the Dawson's Field incident. And then the captain threw his plane into a straight dive, then pulled up hard. So much for the perps.
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                    • Posted by $ Susanne 9 years, 9 months ago
                      El Al IS that good. Your "Security Inspection" starts as soon as you walk up to one of their ticket agents (or if on their "home turf", as soon as you're on Airport Property) and doesn't stop until you deplane. They keep plainclothes security personnel at airports that have El Al flights, and every one of them are trained observers - and if ANYTHING is the slightest bit hinkey, guess who's not flying on their airlines until it's all straightened out. And they make no qualms about it - they would tell you right up front.

                      Someone told me they were the ones who wrote the TSA playbook, however having experienced both, TSA are pikers compared to ISS/El Al.
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                      • Posted by Temlakos 9 years, 9 months ago
                        El Al offered to write a playbook for TSA. El Al's security chief decided they would not offend the dignity of their passengers. This silly business of suspecting everybody and doing virtual body searches on all passengers was one thing they did *not* do. But El Al had one agenda, and TSA had another. And I don't think the TSA agenda was about protecting flights. It was and is about restricting travel.
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                  • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 9 months ago
                    It really is a fascinating story, as they use trained human beings to do what Americans (and most of the world, really) rely on technology for. And they haven't had an airplane hijacked or such in decades. Success is its own proof.
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  • Posted by Rozar 9 years, 9 months ago
    I managed to get a lighter through the airport last May, didn't even realize I had it till I got off the plane. Then got through the airport with my lighter again on the return trip. Too Easy.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 9 months ago
    At first I thought you were referring to the bottled water itself. That one to me is a laugher, since most bottled water is just packaged tap water, resold with a very nice markup.
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