The Eight Never-Nevers

Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 1 month ago to Education
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My kids' school plays this exact video, has them sing the songs, and promotes the message. Just read this summary because you can never get those two minutes of your life back if you watch the video.

Your grown-ups will protect you and sure things are good. They're there for you to keep you safe.
1. Never-never touch a gun.
2. Never-never play with fire.
3. Never-never go on wheels without a helmet.
4. Never-never dive right in. Ask before you get wet.
5. Never-never use sharp tools alone.
6. Never-never pet a dog without asking your grownup.
7. Check for traffic both ways before you cross the street.
8. Never-never ride in cars unless you're buckled up.

The cool thing is my kids seem to detect intuitively it's crap.

My son mentioned that adults who are old and gray and remember when kids could run around and play without adults constantly keeping us safe take it less seriously.

Possible reasons for the hyper-safety:
- Maybe there's a segment of the population, a segment >>50% women, who wants to focus on kids, but starting in the 90's started feeling uncomfortable saying their wants aloud. They did feel comfortable saying circumstances demand they make sacrifices. So they made parenting more complicated and difficult to get what they wanted without admitting it.
- Maybe people who were old enough to be aware of the Sept 11 attack but under 18, people who are now 21 to 34, were affected in such a way to make them more cautious.
- Maybe the hyper-safety stuff in the school is motivated to help the few kids whose parents are really irresponsible and leave dangerous things lying out without teaching their kids to respect them.

I do not believe there's a figure like Toohey behind it asking young people their dreams and then purposely quashing them. I do not believe politicians in Washington are the cause either; they respond to the zeitgeist rather than drive it. The only part I believe might be have a political motive is which one got the top Rule #1 position.

At any rate, the video reminds me how important it is to teach kids to handle guns, fire, and tools responsibly and to be skeptical.


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  • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 1 month ago
    Unfortunately, my appearance is further hampered by a problem that is not quite as bad as a certain Mr. Creozote.
    Also for an another at least, I do not require a bucket in a restaurant.
    Be grateful that "smellovision" does not exist. I've read that it is a rare special treat in movie theaters~
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veE1p...
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Been down there once...you can have your gator pits and crab grass lawns...I'll stay up here, thank you. Laughing

    Except to visit you sometime...would be nice, don't ya think?
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  • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Dad would blow them up for us on the fourth .
    We last Sunday we stopped in Missouri
    At a gas station that had a huge fireworks store included and my wise wife said no fireworks.
    It was good advice as I have a large supply in the garage already.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Uwa! Oh nai gaa! So it tiz, Olduglycarlsaun! So it tiz. Think you so smart? Sayonara, yankee doggiesaun! Tora! Tora! Tora!
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    I suspect part of it is subliminal, and part cultural. The infamous Dr. Spock (no relation to any Vulcan) conditioned a couple of generations of people that discipline hindered children's growth. That created an environment for those who adopted Spock's irrational advice which children with little adult guidance in their formative years had poor social skills and were often extremely unruly in school. That led to a call for better organized public environments to try to control and protect the most undisciplined, and the rest suffered for it.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    The sun is gonna do what the sun is gonna do.
    I consider any star to be a wild force of nature.
    Uh, but what warm water? Heated swimming pools?
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    You have warm water in winter...but not sure how much longer as the Grand Solar Minimum marches on.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    You've caused me to think of people Southerners call "snow birds."
    It be them thar ain't gotta lick ah sense Yankees whut moves tuh Florida ter go swimmin' durin' winter.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    I never saw my dad light a firecracker ever.
    My kids had a totally different experience with me.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    So was my Birmingham area. It was at daybreak yesterday. It dumped a lot of rain with plenty of thunder bu everything stayed on.
    What surprised me was that I could pick up all the local stations with my Direct satellite TV. They were more interested in rain related traffic accidents than they were the weather.
    That same storm swelled as it moved into Georgia yesterday afternoon, forming tornadoes that caused damage.
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  • Posted by 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Do you think this is a conscious thought process or more of a genetic tendency influencing behavior on a subconscious level?

    I am under the impression that the fertility rate had dropped by the time I was born in 75, but the hyper-structured hovering starting in the 90s when the word "soccer mom" was coined.

    There was an episode of Star Trek Deep Space nine in Jan of 1993 that reflects this. The kids on the space station would spend their free time watching ships arrive from distant lands. Sometimes they misbehaved and got in trouble. "The problem is there's no structured activity for them...," a character explained. I think the line reflects a cultural change in the 90s. The show presents the claim as an enlightened policy of the future, but I have come to think it's better for kids to spend their free time hanging out dreaming of far off lands than in enrichment programming designed by adults.

    I just missed this this stuff. If I had been born in '85 instead of '75, I would never have ridden my bike around and had a kid world separate from the adult world.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Thems were the days...Every summer we'd go to Cape Cod for a week at a little village in Mashpea...could never imagine why it was called mashpea.

    My Grandmother had a place at a lake on the other side of our town...always hoped I'd inherit the place but that didn't work out.
    We New Englanders take pride in dealing with the cold weather and water...it's like a badge of Honor.
    But it's summer compared to the upper midwest though.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 7 years, 1 month ago
    The motivation for wanting a super-safe environment probably comes from women having fewer children today. When large families were the norm, survival of the family genome was more likely even if one or more didn't survive to adulthood.

    My grandmother was one of 12 children, and her father was a successful farmer in North Carolina. In an era with less disease prevention, and a need for trustworthy farm hands, both were motivation for large families. Vaccines have made childhood survival more likely, and automation has significantly reduced labor needs.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Cherry bombs and m-80's were scarce in firework prohibited Minnesota when I was a kid but Dad had a stash in a McGarvey Coffee can that included black cats , thunder bombs and lions but the stars were big Silver Salutes that would blow a can into shrapnel.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    So did your daughter turn you into a fireworks mule or a fireworks coyote?
    Do believe I was about nine when I learned that, as long as I was wearing blue jeans, I could just stand in place and feign a yawn should another kid throw a whole string of lit firecrackers at my feet.
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  • Posted by preimert1 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Since I'm in CA now, we can get all of the above nd
    more in Tia Juana and then have an unsafe and insane 4th on Esterro Beach including roman candles from behind the dunes ...and bottle rockets ...lots of bottle rockets which go well with (at then cheap) tequila.

    Also one time my daughter (9 at the time) hid a bunch of M80s under the driver's seat of my van and I didn't find out 'till we got home. I was astounded--could have been blown through the roof. When I quit shaking I asked her why she did it, she artlessly told me, "dad, you don't lie well and I was afraid the border cop would catch us."
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    During summers my folks would drive their brood of five boys north to drop in on scattered relatives and to see various sights like Washington DC, the Statue of Liberty, a Boston "freedom trail," a world's fair, Niagara Falls, this, that and another.
    One summer we went swimming in a lake with Connecticut cousins back when Beatles sang "I Want To Hold Your Hand."
    They were used to some really freaking freezing water!
    Half Swede me had been spoiled by a sizable lake in the Florida Panhandle my folks had a place built by.
    Often in late August you actually had to swim down about five feet just to find water that would cool you off.
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  • Posted by bspielb 7 years, 1 month ago
    There is NO better organization than the Boy and Girl Scouts for teaching responsibility. You have to pay attention to the skills and political or other leanings of the leaders but there are always many troops to choose from. Go on the camping trips with your kids for sure. All this is assuming you don't have the equipment and/or skill to do it yourself. Scouting lets younger kids take that learned responsibility, as they grow older, and try it on their own in team building exercises like building rope bridges, cooking your own food, respecting & learning nature survival and leadership. I and then my 4 boys all learned so much. Many moms joined in as well.
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  • Posted by walkabout 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    President Trump WON by carrying 80 per cent of the counties throughout the country. I agree TV has not been a good thing. Also, as you note, Washington is not a good thing in the lives of individual citizens (At it's best government is a necessary evil -- Thomas Paine).
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Yea...we really did walk to school in the snow...only if it was really bad; actively snowing or raining, would we take the bus. We considered walking a form of freedom as opposed to taking the bus; we also would get to school and home again quicker than the bus too!

    PS...grew up in the central hills of Connecticut...with some of the steepest hills in the whole state.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    My now deceased dad spoke of walking five miles through Massachusetts snow.
    There was just something about the way he always smiled when he'd say that.
    I was born in Massachusetts before we moved. So from four-years-old on, I never saw any snow while growing up in Dothan, Alabama, half an hour from the Florida state line by driving the speed limit.
    Here in the Birmingham area? Yeah, it snows every once in a while. This winter it snowed one whole day and stuck on the ground for two or three days more.
    There was a very rare blizzard followed by a serious ice storm three years later back during the 90s.
    Al Gore claimed the blizzard was due to global warming. Recall Rush laughing about that 'un on the radio.
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