That old quote of 1, 100,1000,1,000,000 lawyers in the ocean is a good start. Does this apply to Miss We Believe? Maybe if she would have started out with "You believe" it might have brought the house down.

True. Red meat to the lefty wolves.

"My goal is to ration the view jobs" --> My goal is not to ration the few jobs but to increase the number.

+1's for Jan, Eudamonia, and CG. Nice points.

http://www.galtsgulchonline.com/posts/a0...

I agree. We "accept" scientific findings. We don't "believe in" them.

You mentioned throwing clay at least once before. You obviously are talented and practiced. Entrepreneurship is something else though. It is not usually taught, certainly not in art school; and probably _cannot_ be _taught_ at all, but must be _learned_. (I don't know about other dental schools, but the University of Michigan does have a class in practice management.) Some MBA programs tried bringing in people like Gates and Jobs, but it went nowhere.

I am not sure that the purpose of "education" is to "get a good job." Maybe for engineering, accounting, and some other fields, colleges do really work like that. Mostly, education is about your own character. Beyond that, it is up to you.

Jennifer Lena wrote a book _Banding Together_ about the sociology of music. In response to an sociology blog complaining that liberal arts majors are a waste of time and money, she provided statistics to show that FINE ARTS majors with graduate degrees do find work almost as often as BS engineers because like them they work co-ops and internships, usually for museums and galleries.

See Lena's "Paid in Full" here http://orgtheory.wordpress.com/2012/07/2...
(I liked the lawyer who said that theater class was a waste of time.)

(Jennifer Lena and the debate reviewed on my blog here: http://necessaryfacts.blogspot.com/2012/...)

We do not know what makes someone "successful." It is largely an individual outcome. You can say that most other fine arts majors are not employed as artists. Again, that may or may not be the proper goal of a fine arts education. However, how would you reply to someone who said that after the Army, they were going to cartoon school?

==> Stephen J. "Steve" Ditko (born November 2, 1927) is an American comic book artist and writer best known as the artist and co-creator, with Stan Lee, of the Marvel Comics heroes Spider-Man and Doctor Strange.
== > Following his discharge [from the US Army], Ditko learned that his idol, Batman artist Jerry Robinson, was teaching at the Cartoonists and Illustrators School (later the School of Visual Arts) in New York City. Moving there in 1950, he enrolled in the art school under the G.I. Bill. -- Wikipedia
cited here: http://necessaryfacts.blogspot.com/2012/...

"I could kick the Founding Fathers"

hehe. It only takes discipline to be smart. It takes a true education to be a moron.

- "We believe that Wall Street needs stronger rules and tougher enforcement, and we're willing to fight for it."

It is government's responsibility to determine who gets rich.

- "We believe in science, and that means that we have a responsibility to protect this Earth."

We're all just rabid environmentalists in disguise who want to control your water, air - eh, everything, really.

- "We believe that the Internet shouldn't be rigged to benefit big corporations, and that means real net neutrality."

Because the government should control all information. China is our idol.

- "We believe that no one should work full-time and still live in poverty, and that means raising the minimum wage."

Even though it means putting more people out of work. We like poor people because they are easy to control!

- "We believe that fast-food workers deserve a livable wage, and that means that when they take to the picket line, we are proud to fight alongside them."

Because only we the elites should be able to "Super-size" our meals.

- "We believe that students are entitled to get an education without being crushed by debt."

Even though many of these students can't find a job even after they get them!

- "We believe that after a lifetime of work, people are entitled to retire with dignity, and that means protecting Social Security, Medicare, and pensions."

We love poor people who are dependent on the government. We love being able to devalue savings and make retired people even poorer by manipulating inflation rates.

- "We believe—I can't believe I have to say this in 2014—we believe in equal pay for equal work."

And by equal, we mean equal the way WE see it.

- "We believe that equal means equal, and that's true in marriage, it's true in the workplace, it's true in all of America."

Because equal is all in the eye of the beholder anyway and we really need to get rid of all those pesky religionists.

- "We believe that immigration has made this country strong and vibrant, and that means reform."

Because we can't win votes on logic or good policy - we need more people who are dependent on handouts.

- "And we believe that corporations are not people, that women have a right to their bodies. We will overturn Hobby Lobby and we will fight for it. We will fight for it!"

Because we love making empty emotional appeals based on false data all the while demeaning human life (both parent and child).


What a tool.

rich, keep in mind this was said to a group of lib bloggers, who, by definition, must suspend all common sense and logic to do what they do. Being an ideologue can't be easy, might be psychologically harming, like a mental disorder. Thus, the cheering.

"At this point we don't have jobs for all the people who want to comes here."
My goal is to ration the view jobs (i.e. people helping one another for money) but to increase the number, increase the level of people thinking of new ways to solve each other's problem for money.

Almost all of the problem of lack of jobs for the uneducated is due to automation. First machines obviated muscle labor and now they're obviating almost anything that can be put in a procedure. Immigration is a drop in the bucket compared to this. (This doesn't excuse looking the other way and ignoring the law.)

So the main thing we need is people creatively thinking of new ways to solve problems, ways that use systems / procedures that machines can easily follow rather than depending on selling human labor to follow procedures.

It totally funny their cognitive dissonance. They go crazy demanding that evil corporations should provide free birth control, health care etc., etc. to their employees but yet they hire a few people and pay them as "outside contractor" so they don't even have to pay social security. I pointed this piece of bull shit hypocrisy out to them but like all liberals they had a ready rationalization for me. It seems that since they are a small enterprise it is ok for them to oppress their workers. only "Big evil" corporations....[anyone bigger than themselves] ...are socially responsible to the downtrodden worker. I guess since their workers work for them that it is OK for them to be oppressed!.

Part 2
6. We believe that students are entitled to get an education without being crushed by debt.
Entitled? Should I be forced to pay for the education of other people? No one forced these people to go into debt. No one has to go to college. There is no requirement that a college education has to be completed in four years. No one is forcing anybody to go to expensive schools. The case could be made that government money and cheap educational loans increases the cost of college.
7. We believe that after a lifetime of work, people are entitled to retire with dignity, and that means protecting Social Security, Medicare, and pensions.
Who will be made to pay for bankrupt pension programs? Should I be forced to pay? Our government enacted legislation that gave us Social Security and Medicare. They have grown in scope far beyond their initial implementation. Medicare is bankrupt. Warren’s solution is more taxes.
8. We believe — I can't believe I have to say this in 2014 — we believe in equal pay for equal work.
There’s no such thing as “equal work.” All types of factors go into hiring and paying. If employees are not happy with what they are paid, they can (1) start their own business or (2) look for another job. I can’t believe I have to say this in 2014, but it’s no business of the government what an employee is paid.
9. We believe that equal means equal, and that’s true in marriage, it’s true in the workplace, it's true in all of America.
Warren wants “equality” in everything. Forced equality leads to poverty. Equality before the law is the goal, but not equality in everything. There is no such attainable ideal unless we’re talking about Communism. But even with Communism, some people are more equal than others. There already equality in marriage. No one is stopping two people from getting married as long as they are of different sexes. The law has been equally applied. Changing the definition of marriage by claiming that people of the same sex can marry is not equality; it’s insanity.
10. We believe that immigration has made this country strong and vibrant, and that means reform.
This is one of her “commandments” that I and millions of others can agree with. The question is, however, what types of “reforms” do Progressives want?
11. And we believe that corporations are not people, that women have a right to their bodies. We will overturn Hobby Lobby and we will fight for it. We will fight for it!
Try owning and running a corporation without people. Corporations are owned by people, whether it’s one person or a group of people. Corporations are people. When Warren and her liberal thugs want to force their economic agenda on a corporation, who pays? People! Did people from Enron and WorldCom go to jail? Berrnie Ebbers of Worldcom was sentenced to twenty-five years in a federal prison. If corporations aren’t people, then why do they pay taxes, and why is Ebbers in prison?

I found this reply in Godfather Politics by Gary DeMar. Except his comment on evolution he seems on the mark. Too long for all of it so her is part 1
1. We believe that Wall Street needs stronger rules and tougher enforcement, and we're willing to fight for it.
There is no single entity called Wall Street. What we really need are stronger rules and tougher enforcement on Washington that bails out faltering companies and banks. Washington spends money it does not have. Elected officials like Warren steal from the working class so they can give it to non-workers who will continue to vote to keep politicians like Warren power. There is an unhealthy relationship between government and business that only the free market can fix.
2. We believe in science, and that means that we have a responsibility to protect this Earth.
Actually, Progressives don’t believe in science or they wouldn’t support same-sex sexuality (the biology and anatomy are all wrong), evolution (something from nothing), and the skewed and manipulated numbers that go into fabricating the crisis of Global Warming, Climate Change, and now Climate Chaos. Furthermore, if Progressives truly believed in science, they would engage critics of Global Warming in debate. Instead, the claim is made that “the debate is over.” Progressives don’t want debate because there’s too much money in a global “crisis” like global warming.
3. We believe that the Internet shouldn't be rigged to benefit big corporations, and that means real net neutrality.
Governments should keep their hands off the internet. Once any type of control is given, there is no end to it. Progressives will end up controlling the oversight committees that make the laws and turn the internet into a State-run media congolmerate. Those supporting net neutrality tell us that it would not be directed by the government; that it would make the internet more free and open. Don’t you believe it. If a liberal like Elizabeth Warren is behind it, it must be a bad idea for freedom. The internet is doing just fine. Businesses are created every day. The little guy can be up and running in a day. See “Killing Net Neutrality Helps Underdogs Succeed.”
4. We believe that no one should work full-time and still live in poverty, and that means raising the minimum wage.
Calls for raising the minimum wage are ongoing. Once again, the government should get out of telling companies what they should pay. They are already burdened with paying the employer’s side of Social Security and Medicare and unemployment compensation tax. This says nothing about insurance, rent, upkeep, training, inventory costs, etc. Raising the minimum wage will force some employers to let employees go because of increased costs. The extra work will be passed on to the more experienced retained employees.
5. We believe that fast-food workers deserve a livable wage, and that means that when they take to the picket line, we are proud to fight alongside them.
Liberal policies already control the marketplace. Who will define a “livable wage”? The government will. There will be no end to what a livable wage might include: a certain size house; so much for food each month; a clothing allowance; paid vacations; transportation; education, birth control, etc. The most inexperienced workers will be shut out because of hiring expenses. The less qualified will find it harder to get a job. Teen unemployment will rise. “[M]inimum-wage legislation discriminates against teenage black males. This has been known by economists since at least the mid-1950s. The statistical evidence on this was overwhelming.” Walter Williams argues: “‘How does someone who is part of a group that is discriminated against find a way to prove to somebody doing the discriminating that his assessment is incorrect?’ It was really this question: ‘How do undesirables break through the discrimination against them?’”

What can be expected from a lib college professor?
I think that we should have a Galt's Gulch "SURVIVOR" course and invite professors like her to attempt survival with no real skill set for life ... we'll see if they can make a go of it.

As A potter, I'm thrilled your sister is doing so well. It sure sounds like she's "paid her dues" to be there. I've met a lot of these folks who chop the liberal grass at a show or to anybody else, but who are as conservative as can be with their money and business. That surprised me when I first encountered it helping small businesses with SCORE. Which is another group everybody thinks are stone faced conservative - it's not. :)

Please pass on my regards.

Lol. That is a great story. They put their thinking cap on for their prosperity and remove it for their politics. At least they're not mooching :)

My sister, actually earns a living making art pottery. She went to college one semester then flunked out. She survived for 10 years having 2 kids and getting divorced. She finally got re-married to the biggest granola chomping lib you could ever want to meet. [by the way, I am happy to have him for a brother-in-law, he treats my sister right.] They started selling little art and craft items at the flea market. Now 20 years later she has developed a specific style and items that sell and has them in a number of galleries. They both work at it full time doing this and this is their sole means of support. It is interesting, when they first started they gave me one of their pieces and I told them...."that is really nice, what you need to do is knock out 50 of these at a time and sell in volume". They gave me the standard artsy reply..."oh we only do it for the art, it would take the enjoyment out of it if we did that" Well guess what they are doing now 20 years later. Knocking their items out 50 at a time. They can't keep up with the orders and they are what I would call "Professionals" They found something the market is willing to pay for and they are supplying it. Just like real capitalists....unfortunately they are both still screaming whack-a-doodle libs.....I think it is a mental disease or a religion, that is the only explanation I have.

So we agree in a lot of those areas except how to solve the problem. At this point we don't have jobs for all the people who want to comes here. We agree here, so I ask, why the open borders BS? I guarantee that those people we have foolishly working in min wage jobs now are not going to be better off when there are umpteen million more people here who have no other skillsets than manual labor, non educated burger flippers. This only compounds our unemployment problem. Add to those numbers the people who you acknowledge are not going to have the skills to be as hirable.

There is only one solution to maintain as high a level of living standard as possible for the citizens of this country - we must not expand legal immigration beyond what we have at present. If possible we must REDUCE the number of unskilled immigrants flooding into our country.

You mean like all the Art, Art History, Painting (not house painting, those can get a job), One of my personal favorites - Art Book making (think about a OCD 12yo with a pile of construction paper, ribbon, lace and glue - and don't forget the glitter. The degree is "Art" with a special interest in Book Making. This jewel can be yours for 4 years (maybe 5) and a mear $100,000 at a nearby university. I've got a couple Art degrees myself (they were on sale) so I really don't have a big problem except, the recruiters are selling these kids and parents about what a great future little jimmy or jane has ahead of them - the recruiter took one drawing class 20 years ago as she was studying "womens history", so she really "knows" art. (sigh)

In the four years I was working on my first BFA (Bachelor Fine Arts - you thought I was Kidding??) I saw around 120 kids graduate with undergrad Art degrees of some kind (small school BTW). Of all of those at the last I heard there were 3 WORKING as a artist or in a gallery of some kind. I opened a pottery studio, one is working at Walmart as a cake decorator and another was selling cameras. The school was so excited to get a grad who was working in their chosen field that they sent out a professional photographer team (not students - they paid these guys) to photograph my studio, me working, firing my kiln and a ghost writter to write a 5 page!! article in the alumni newsletter, some went into the school sells flyers with multiple mentions of my studio name and my name. They set up a radio station interview and a regional TV news interview. I'm a fair potter, but I'm NOT that good! They were so thrilled to be able to interview somebody actually working in their field that they even PAID me for my time. And on my end, having that full color multi page article was pretty good for my business too.

This is just one department. Can you imagine what the rest are like.
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"Are you aware that as a large volcano erupts, it spews more "greenhouse" gasses than everything man uses since the industrial revolution began? Should we go and plug those?"
I suspect we will do something of the sort in the future to drive the climate of the world to be favorable to human needs.

"That carbon is NOT created, it was here all the time."
Yes, the atom is only created in nuclear reactions inside stars. That doesn't have anything to do with this issue. The earth went through epochs in which the tropics extended almost to the poles and in which the arctic extended to the equator, presumably all without external additions/subtractions of elements.

"I believe that if you read both sides [of immigration]and backed that with some history, I think you would be able to arrive at truth."
I don't think there are sides, at least not to my how define the problem. We have not come up with a set of rules and enforced them well. Right now we just look the other way, and we've created a mess.

You're right that as a citizen I should have more knowledge of who is trying to set up a system and enforce it.

"You say (and this is where your heart may get in the way) you say that you "do not agree with the concept of there being a limited # of jobs to be rationed", and sadly that's just not true AND it's why we must be careful of how many people with what skillsets we allow to immigrate here."
What I say is completely true in the long-run, but in the short-run the number of jobs is limited by the amt of capital (aka amt of means of production). You have this pool of people wanting to buy products/services and sell labor, but how much they can do it is limited by the number of factories/offices/stores/etc, at least until people invest some of the production into building more means of production. In the long-run, there's no limit to the ways humans can find to serve one another's needs/wants.

"You say "Jobs are cases of people helping one another for money", but they are people competing with one another for jobs."
Yes. A market depends on buys and sellers both competing. Every day I see firms interviewing multiple competing candidates, and I see those same firms competing with each other to retain talent. There's a pool of people buying labor and pool selling it, and that makes a market.

"And if there's fifty more people with the same skills trying out for the same jobs, just a few will be hired. And that is where our hearts begin to ache."
I think we have a big problem coming in this area because automation is doing so many things that human labor used to do. That's great b/c in total we get more goods and services with less work, but adapting to that will be painful.

Oh yeah, those were the days. I had workers being paid 5 times that who got mad that I wasn't giving them a "raise". In the meantime their kids working for min wage all got one! I offered to reduce anyone who was that upset to the old min. wage and "give" them the new wage when it went into effect. No takers. Surprise!

But McDonalds and everyplace had to raise their prices and those kids who got the raise lost it in the increased prices they paid "at work".

I sense a little sarcasm in there Star. That happened to me as I was getting ready to retire from the Navy. I was working at a auto parts place for the extra income and after I got a few raises, Billy Clinton raised the minimum wage to what I was now earning and I had to ask my boss for a $2.50 raise so the new people coming in weren't making the same as me!!!

You people on the left created people like warren - you deserve her as a candidate - we had McCain, now it's your turn. :)