Idiocracy? Is it happening?

Posted by $ Abaco 9 years, 9 months ago to Culture
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I thought I'd post my thoughts here and get your input. I can't help but notice that either more or more stupid people are infiltrating the workplace or people are just getting dumber across the board. A recent transaction with a well-known home goods hardware store illustrated the problem. I assisted an elderly lady friend of mine who insisted on using this national chain store to acquire a microwave oven because she got a veteran’s discount. The clerk in the appliance section couldn't help with the product and couldn't type a part number for the desired microwave oven into a database - couldn't simply type it in. The customer database had the wrong name for the customer, but the address and phone number was right. The entire organization remains unable to fix the database (so, when the delivery/installation guys showed up they thought they were at the wrong house). I measured the hole in my friend’s cabinets to help select the properly-sized microwave. But, the store had a couple guys show up, take measurements, and then tell my friend that I measured it wrong. Then, when the microwave showed up with installers, per their revised measurements, it was 10” too deep to fit in the cabinets and had to be sent back. It’s just been a folly of errors and a staff unwilling to correct anything.
But, I see this kind of thing everywhere. Most orders at restaurants get screwed up. Most grocery stores charge the wrong prices. Most auto mechanics get it wrong. Many doctors I’ve gone to have misdiagnosed. It seems like almost everybody is getting it wrong. Has it always been this bad? It seems to be getting worse. I’ve been trying to buy a specialized fishing reel all last week and several stores I’ve done business with in the past simply failed to get back to me on it – no response. I have to get in touch with the owners to get an answer. It’s a $500 reel. You’d think they’d get back to me. It is as though people have just given up. Pride in one’s work?...what’s that? I can’t figure it out. A population can’t be getting so stupid, so quickly. Can it? I heard similar stories about the Soviet Union just prior to it’s collapse.


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  • Posted by Snoogoo 9 years, 9 months ago
    As a whole, the education system does not encourage people to think for themselves. Large corporations follow the same model as public education and for the most part, do not encourage thinking for oneself for fear of not following "procedures". My first job out of college was for a major corporation and I discovered this very quickly. All of my suggestions on more logical ways to do things were ignored by my "status quo" supervisors. I started working for a start-up small business and would never go back to that company (Target Corp, I worked at HQ and now look at where they are..) I think that some people just genuinely do not know how to think for themselves. I do not think that people are less intelligent than they were let's say, 100 years ago, just that thought patterns have changed. I get very frustrated with my generation (those just turning 30) They grew up around computers, yet they have no idea of basic principles that govern how computers work. They expect technology to do everything for them and they get so upset when it doesn't work the way they want it to. This basic "not thinking for oneself" has been conditioned into my generation. I've noticed it in public school, higher education, employment, and social situations. People are afraid to fail, so they never try. They fear being different, so they choose to blend in. They only tell their boss what they want to hear, etc. A big part of it is the idea of unearned guilt. One can change and start to tap into their own intelligence, but nobody can do that for them, it has to be a want from within.
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    • Posted by Hiraghm 9 years, 9 months ago
      I have said this for a long time, and since working at Wal-mart I've found out how true it is; the bigger the company, the more government-like it becomes.


      " People are afraid to fail, so they never try."

      Oh, gawd. You have, in a sentence, explained my entire life.

      "A big part of it is the idea of unearned guilt."

      And there's the other stumbling block that's always defeated me. I know Rand and a lot of Objectivists here explain how the slavers use guilt, either religious or socialist, to control people and harness them to a yoke of their own construction. Guilt for being different (read, "better"... you're not supposed to be better, that's bad). Guilt for aspiring. Guilt for failing, which leads one to not try, or to never follow through, making failure self-fulfilling prophesy.

      I've only recently, at this late stage in life started trying to reverse the habits, and I think, if it's this hard for me, who's naturally contrary and self-willed... how hard must it be for "normal" people?
      ----
      Maj. Walter Gerber: "I think deep down you wanted to be caught."

      Anna Hedler, Nurse: "Why?"

      Maj. Walter Gerber: "Guilt cries out for punishment - punishment as a specific cure for a feverish conscience. "

      - "36 Hours", starring Rod Taylor and James Garner
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      Once they get people in the habit of feeling guilty for everything; for prosperity, for success, for skin color, for intelligence, people's own minds take over and control them without further effort.

      Of course, I now have help... and hopefully so do thousands of others...
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAKbvTa0...
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-_L4Un4...
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  • Posted by MiJo 9 years, 9 months ago
    Consider that it's been 50 years since Johnson fired up his "Great Society". In that time, we have subsidized the poor - for an extended period, paying them to have children.

    Now I'm not about to claim that if you're poor you're stupid. But there is pretty strong correlation. REALLY stupid people usually don't wind up running companies or doing anything really worthwhile. They don't invent things. They don't figure out ways to make tons of money in the stock market. Basically, what the poor mostly do is collect welfare and have lots of babies.

    Meanwhile, the "smarter" people see the cost of raising kids and generally have smaller families.

    So: Stupid people - lots of kids. Smart people - not so much. In the past, this wasn't such an issue because the stupid people were allowed to die when their stupidity caused them to starve. But we don't allow that anymore. So they hang around and reproduce.

    Here's the last factor: A very large percentage of intelligence is hereditary. No, it's not politically-correct to recognize that fact - and if it outrages you, just head on to the next posting with your umbrage intact.

    To sum up: Stupid people have lots of kids that our social policy insists must live long enough to have lots more stupid kids. Smart people are penalized through taxes and discouraged from having large families. The kids of stupid people tend to be stupid. The kids of smart people tend to be smart. Stupid vastly outnumbers smart. Viola! Our species is devolving.

    But Darwin was ultimately correct. We're headed for tough times when the government handouts won't be sufficient. Lots of dumb people will die. Smarter people will tend to survive. We get a second chance (as a species).

    But you? You're screwed. You're treading water in a sea of stupidity, and eventually, you're going to get tired.

    I recommend to you The Deteriorata https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFLvhKv-...
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  • Posted by Snoogoo 9 years, 9 months ago
    An example of this is people seem to be more willing to believe that people needed space aliens to build and design the great Pyramids, Mayan Temples, or other great wonders rather than admit that human beings are capable of some really crazy amazing things. That is really just sad.
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    • Posted by Hiraghm 9 years, 9 months ago
      Oh that *always* drives me nuts! Well, more nuts than usual. It's such a denigrating insult to suppose that space aliens had to help us. Just because a modern prole is too dumb to figure something out doesn't mean our forebears were... of course, they had a helluva lot more *incentive* didn't they? Not having automatic transmissions or refrigerators or iPods or hospitals or Wal-marts... If they wanted life, let alone "the good life", they had to make it happen.
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  • Posted by SolitudeIsBliss 9 years, 9 months ago
    21st Century - Age of Mediocrity. People really ARE getting dumber.
    At the grocery store the other day a customer wanted a price check on an item. The stockboy couldn't help her because neither one could figure out if the price is 3 for 10, how much for 1 !
    Then, while at the checkout there was a sale for 4 -2 liters of soda for $5.00, get 2 free. The cashier rang all 6 up and it came to $7.50. He couldn't figure out how much the discount coupon was supposed to be.
    *weeping*
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 9 months ago
    I wonder if there's any way to test this hypothesis by looking at records. It would be very difficult, though, b/c they may have been detecting errors better/worse in the past.
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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 9 years, 9 months ago
    Along those lines: If the talking heads on the local news channels are any indication, we are experiencing a serious dumbing down of Americans... The inanities are endless.
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    • Posted by Snoogoo 9 years, 9 months ago
      The top stories in internet news, and TV media are always about stupid brain dead celebrities! There are actual problems in the world and all they are allowed to talk about is Justin Bieber's latest car crash!! Why? Because apparently that is what the majority of the population wants to listen to, it makes me want to vomit profusely.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 9 months ago
    A while back I had an employee at a popular nationwide printing/copying chain try and fail to help me with a file. He brought it up and kept saying, "It should be fine. It's only 17k." Finally, I went behind the counter to look at his computer screen and saw the file size listed at 17,000k. I actually went out to my truck and started blubbering over that... (LOL)...
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 9 months ago
    Yes, it can. Unwittingly, the populace is "going Galt" on their own. They are leaving whatever mental capacity that they had.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 9 months ago
    Adding...why I think it might be biological. The other day I was running errands and picked up a sandwich at a local sandwich shop. I sat in my truck and watched people try to navigate the driveway into the strip mall. It's off of a two-lane road with a suicide turn late in the middle. Simple. The drive way has an in and an out lane with a small island with plants in the middle. I got to watch people try to figure it out. It hit me that there might be something going on with people, in terms of their mental capacity. You know that at least half of the people couldn't figure it out on the first try. They'd drive past it then have to back up in the suicide lane. Or, they'd drive in the out lane (honking horns, dirty looks, etc). Or, they'd swerve into oncomming traffic going too fast and miss the entrance all together. It really struck me that something might be wrong with the general population. It was like that movie "The Crazies".
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    • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 9 months ago
      I have to admit that I avoid going to shopping malls. One of the reasons is the design of mall parking lots.
      Why does one have to drive around for 15 minutes (slight exaggeration) just to find where the exit is?
      Have had this experience in malls in GA, NC, FL, TX, AL, AZ, CA, WA, OR, MS, TN.
      No service in ingress/egress design (imo), but may be an infection that has spread from municipality to municipality in government traffic regulations and lowest cost response thereto.
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