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This is News For Objectivists--"Microbes may encourage altruistic behavior

Posted by Zenphamy 7 years, 3 months ago to Philosophy
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Maybe it's more than (or simpler than) religion or faulty philosophy that leads to the animosity that Objectivists encounter when we try to explain why we are opposed to a philosophy that encourages Altruism and we propose "selfishness" as a morally justified and rational approach to life. Makes a lot of sense to me. From the article:

"Why do people commonly go out of their way to do something nice for another person, even when it comes at a cost to themselves—and how could such altruistic behavior have evolved? The answer may not just be in our genes, but also in our microbes.

In a new paper, researchers Ohad Lewin-Epstein, Ranit Aharonov, and Lilach Hadany at Tel-Aviv University in Israel have theoretically shown that microbes could influence their hosts to act altruistically. And this influence could be surprisingly effective, with simulations showing that microbes may promote the evolution of altruistic behavior in a population to an even greater extent than genetic factors do.

"I believe the most important aspect of the work is that it changes the way we think about altruism from centering on the animals (or humans) performing the altruistic acts to their microbes," Hadany told Phys.org.

This places an entirely new perspective on the idea of a physical Gulch or just avoiding those that don't get Ayn Rand.

I always knew that the "Others"" weren't well.








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  • Posted by Seer 7 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There is a lot going on in the world, though, and I have always wished that more Objectivists would pay attention to world events.
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  • Posted by 7 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There are a few on the site 'that think for themselves, though less than a year or two ago. But more Objectivist posts might well entice some of them back.
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  • Posted by Seer 7 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think you're right about Piekoff. He inherited her estate, I believe, didn't he? He has done some good studies of her, but I feel he has made her into some sort of cult figure, which was never what she was about. Individualism and strict adherence to doctrine are incompatible, and was one of the things Rand was vehemently against.

    I might post some things, but I've tried it before (about 2 years ago) and all I got was: "But Rand said..." when I wanted to know what YOU think, not what Rand said.
    You seem to think for yourself, though. If there is one "doctrine" Rand put forth, that I heartily agree with, it is that men use consciousness to make choices; that choice uses reason and rationality (though justifiably, and in the end, based on one's "emotional" values. As she said at the end of Anthem (and I'm paraphrasing here) "It is my eyes that give beauty to the world." Meaning there is no such thing as a collective heart or collective feelings..
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  • Posted by 7 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Piekoff I don't care much for. He's one of the prime movers in much of the closed and cultish attitudes of some Objectivist circles. But I like your Rand description.

    Post some of your disagreements and lets see what responses and comments you garner. That's what the site's supposed to be about.
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  • Posted by Seer 7 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You see color blindness more in men than inwomen because it is sex-linked via chromosomes. And it is passed on to male children through the female. It's been awhile since I studied it, so my memory isn't exact, but I believe it has to do with the genetic code being on the X-chromosome, and so a male with the code for color blindness would not have 2 chromosomes where one could compensate for the presence of the code in the other. My husband had a type of color blindness, so that when we studied types of cell slides, he would have to ask me what the colors were. He had trouble with pastels and dark colors, mostly. He couldn't detect polychromatophilic dye preparations.
    And he never got blown away by rainbows, either.
    You said sex hormones, but they are governed by the presence or absence of the code. Are you a biologist of some sort?
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  • Posted by 7 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, there are differences and yes, some have greater effect than others. Women can perceive more color variations than men. The sex hormones cause an increase over the number of color detecting rods and cones in women. It's an evolutionary genetic survival trait. It's also one of the reasons that color blindness is more predominant in males than females.

    There's also more range of variance among males than among females, but there are variances in all humans. Every human is composed of those differences and variances. Each is unique and each is an individual.

    There are probably hundreds more. Hail the differences. Hail the Individual.

    This topic needs to have and move to a Post of it's own.
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  • Posted by chad 7 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes and for the most part I think conservatives only lean a little toward objectivism but are mostly socialists just like the democrats. If the law of violence can be used to their advantage they will use it.
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  • Posted by Seer 7 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I didn't even know what a polymath was when "they" said I was one. I just think of myself as having an insatiable curiosity.
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  • Posted by Seer 7 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I didn't mean to imply that I don't think Rand is a genius. To be able to perceive the consequences of that malignant 19th century European philosophical in both its moral and practical explications, then to stand alone in confronting it, takes not just genius, but fortitude.
    In the forward to one of her novels, Peikoff reported she said, about that philosophy: "Because they are wrong." One woman, and a Russian, stood up to them. I agree, she understood human nature better than any at that time.
    Her ability to write enabled her philosophy to be transmitted to millions. Her interest in film making
    was also a plus. I read her novels, and some of her philosophical writings, at the age of 15.
    Yet there are things I disagree with. Not many, but some.
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  • Posted by 7 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I don't think of the 'shortcomings' of Rand as a human so much as I do about her uniqueness and genius in her abilities and perseverance to lay out a complete philosophy based on the nature of man in words that nearly all can comprehend, though not necessarily fully apply through the internal and infernal self-battles with conditioned belief systems.

    I can't think of another except Huxley and Orwell during the 20th Century, that could comprehend and predict so accurately, the process and ultimate results of the changes in human actions she observed in life and the progressions that were being implemented and planned, and then describe it so well.

    I don't pretend to argue the biologically inherited differences in the male and female of the species and the demonstrated strengths of each in their own realms, though I can think of many exceptions to the generalities within each sex that I've dealt with throughout life. Many of those exceptions were joys to my life and remembrances and would certainly take up chapters in any attempt to prepare a biography.

    I sympathize in having to contend with labels such as genius and polymath, though for myself it was Renaissance Man, while working to define and interest oneself in life rather than trying to live up or down to others' expectations. But I've always loved good challenges.
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  • Posted by Seer 7 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I guess what I mean is it's harder for women to engage in long-term strategic planning. As smart as I am, and I'm damn smart, my many brilliant men friends can control events happening in the reality of the present, so that the future events they are planning will come to fruition. And all I can say, Oh, I see!
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  • Posted by Seer 7 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Can you give me an example of her "long range strategic planning"?
    I did mistake you; I took you to mean that women have the same ability as men to think abstractly. It is the rare woman that can do that. I have been called a mathematical genius and polymath; but I have always felt that the ability to abstract from the concrete is a masculine quality, probably because It has been more necessary in masculine forms of endeavor. Women have needed to provide care in the family unit; men must provide stability.

    I doubt that you are less influenced by worship of anybody or anything than myself. That assumption is completely unwarranted. But I'm glad to hear you are aware of some of Rand's shortcomings, few as they are.
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  • Posted by 7 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    But they don't seem to offer any observation nor theory that would support the existence of such a microbe--it's as if they're providing research concerning the actions and effects of a god they can't describe, see, or know anything about.

    And since they're gaining access to scientific literature reporting on results of such a study, the question is, why.
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  • Posted by 7 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    But I don't explain you, Seer, although on a Post of mine, I might well question you. My question to you concerning AR was intended to draw you out about her ability for 'long term' thinking as compared to your position that women have a problem with such thinking.

    I thoroughly agree with you concerning 'worship and cults'. In matter of fact, I suspect that I'm less influenced by 'worship' of anybody or anything than you are, and since Objectivism is all about logically reasoned facts applied rationally to existence, I would think it's the furthest thing from a cult I can imagine. That's certainly not to say that there do not exist certain humans calling themselves Objectivists that think and act as if they're a cult, just as there are many conservatives that think of themselves as Objectivist and even original thinkers. Sad.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 7 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    poly: greek word for many. ticks being blood sucking parasites. Seems appropriate to me ;)
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