Paiglia: "What Has Hilary Ever Done?"

Posted by khalling 10 years, 8 months ago to Culture
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Interesting article. Many interesting themes touched upon: the loss of romanticism in art, feminism, real men- enjoy!
SOURCE URL: http://www.salon.com/2013/08/21/camille_paglia_it_remains_baffling_how_anyone_would_think_that_hillary_clinton_is_our_party’s_best_chance/


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  • Posted by WDonway 10 years, 8 months ago
    Given what has been said about her (and I can't judge because I was not familiar with her work), it is intriguing that she comments on the death of the Romantic Movement. She also makes the good point that many modernists, coming to age during the end of the Romantic era, acquired enough of its great virtues so that when they rebelled they did interesting work. It is the same with the earliest of the poets who began writing free verse; they had been steeped in the great tradition of poetry with meter, rhyme, luminous clarity. So when they decided to experiment with free verse they wrote some very fine things; you don't lose all your acquired habits and knowledge and skills just because you decide to abandon a tradition. Ayn Rand was born and educated during the twilight of the Romantic era and its greatest practitioners, such as Victor Hugo and Henryk Sienkiewicz still dominated the scene. She chose not to rebel and try to destroy the Romantic tradition. She vowed to keep it alive long enough so that some coming generation would realize the terrible loss that its ending represented. All of what began to vanish at the end of the Nineteenth Century--from laissez faire capitalism to Romanticism--had been products of the Enlightenment.
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    • Posted by 10 years, 8 months ago
      Interesting. Sometimes rebellion comes in the form of revival. In what tradition is your poetry?
      Paglia's references to the pop music culture that excites her:
      "In the past year, the only things that sparked my enthusiasm and gave me hope for an artistic revival were in pop music: Rihanna’s eerie “Pour It Up,” which uses a strip club as a hallucinatory metaphor for an identity crisis about sex and materialism, and the Savages’ slam-bang “City’s Full,” which channels the Velvet Underground and Patti Smith to attack (with gorgeously distorted, strafing guitars) the urban parade of faux-female fashion clones. The visual arts, in contrast, are being swamped by virtual reality."
      This reminds me of the success you have had with "The Price Of Hannah Blake."
      http://www.amazon.com/Price-Hannah-Blake...
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 10 years, 8 months ago
    It remains to be seen whether and to what extent Camille Paiglia holds any sway. I do note that Salon is a serious trend-setter for the left. It was there in 2006 that I first read about Barack Obama.
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    • Posted by 10 years, 8 months ago
      salon.com noted. Paiglia has been around a looooong time. you won't agree with her on everything, but she warned you about Obama in 08 and you still voted for him...jus sayin
      http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthr...
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      • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 10 years, 8 months ago
        I have seen Camille Paglia touted on Objectivist sites occasionally over the past few years. She is an olde guarde liberalle in the tradition of Christopher Hitchens, so we identify with her... but it is unrequited love, I assure you. You are carrying a torch for someone who thinks that you are an idiot.
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        • Posted by 10 years, 8 months ago
          agreed. just posted this for the provocative. I wanted to engage a discussion on romanticism. Have you read any titles by Wdonway? One of our members. Objectivist from the beginning, and David Kelley mentor. I agree with you in total. but adding a bit of dihydrogen monoxide to make fresh discussion
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            Posted by $ MikeMarotta 10 years, 8 months ago
            I know Walter Donway from other Objectivist boards and he was a regular in THE INDIVIDUALIST. I am not much of a fiction and poetry guy. I write non-fiction. I sold two science fiction shorts. I also placed some poems in computer magazines. Mostly, in school, I got through literature with Classics Illustrated comics. Last year, I read Pride and Prejudice and Northanger Abbey, but could not finish Tale of Two Cities, Don Quixote, or Moby Dick.
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