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  • Posted by Ed75 7 years, 11 months ago
    Just a reminder, NOBODY OWNS TRUMP. The future will be interesting since "The devil is in the details".
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    • Posted by $ nickursis 7 years, 11 months ago
      Now, that is very true.His choices in key positions will drive it all. Either he gets mavericks who will not take crap from the bureaucracy, or he gets insiders and will suffer 4 years of "why we can't do it".
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      • Posted by $ Snezzy 7 years, 11 months ago
        Compare to Reagan. Trump understands, "You're fired!" better than Ronnie ever did.

        We ought to keep watch, hold Trump's feet to the fire if need be, but more than that be watchful of both House and Senate Republicans who try to undercut him in the interest of "business as usual."
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      • Posted by $ 7 years, 11 months ago
        It appears President Elect Trump is trying to be a peace making unifier which I guess is smart when trying to get your lead the country act together.
        Hopefully, he'll run his key positions like his old (if you can't hack it) "You're fired!" persona.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 11 months ago
    As I posted several times, most of the polls were miniscule samples, some with biased questions and others not statistically designed. When I looked at the larger sampled statistical polls in the last few days before the election it was clear that Trump would likely outperform the expectations. And he did.
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  • Posted by kelinger 7 years, 11 months ago
    The interesting thing is that the polls can also DRIVE votes in the opposite direction. If I am leaning towards candidate X and I'm told X is in the lead, I may decide that its too much of a hassle to wait in line, etc. However, finding out that Y is leading may make me take that extra step to actually go out and vote.

    The same goes for election night results coming through. Polls are still open on the West Coast while we're hearing ("with 1% precincts reporting") that Y is in the lead or captured a key state may drive voters out west to reconsider whether they show up or not.

    If I were running for a national office, I would actually want to be a couple points behind in the polls on the Monday/Tuesday of election week (or, ideally, be leading by a huge margin at that point).
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    • Posted by term2 7 years, 11 months ago
      I would want closet deplorables so no one really knew what was going to happen until it was too late. Trump emphasized local events where he could deliver his message in a personal way. I went to one and it was crazy in terms of excitement levels. Obviously it was the way to go for him.
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  • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 7 years, 11 months ago
    In the last couple of days before the election I was looking at the undecided -- which was frequently not in the charts. It was running about 4-5%. Either it was closet Trump support or broke for the outsider at the end.
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    • Posted by $ nickursis 7 years, 11 months ago
      I think there was a lot of people under the radar who are just fed up with the Fed, and will go with anyone who claims they will try to kill it. Not the usual "reduce government" crap, but kill it's parts off.
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      • Posted by ScaryBlackRifle 7 years, 11 months ago
        Although I made my mind up quite a while ago, the Fed was no part of it. I think what we have just witnessed was a coup ... and my side has (for now) come out on top.
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        • Posted by $ nickursis 7 years, 11 months ago
          I disagree, the angst people felt over the Federal government covers a wide swath of special interests from Land use, money, borrowing/debt, crime and apparent corruption at the highest levels, all of these played into people voting for Trump more as a vote against the Federal government, than for him. That's ok, but the coup would be a revolt by the people against their perceived Master. I believe a lot of people thought the Beast would continue the Federal monster growth and encroachment on our lives. I know I do.
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  • Posted by Rex_Little 7 years, 11 months ago
    Trump outperformed his poll showing in almost every primary as well as the general election. I think that from the start, there were quite a few voters who favored Trump but were unwilling to say so, even to a pollster, lest they be thought "deplorable."

    This election was unique in the history of the US. There has never been another one where the losing side was so convinced, right up to the start of the election, that they'd win, AND was so convinced that their opponent was the essence of evil. Keep this in mind and have sympathy for your lefty friends. Don't mock them.
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    • Posted by term2 7 years, 11 months ago
      I had signs at my house, stickers on my car. I am deplorable and freed from the chains of PC. If others dont like what I think, so be it. I can tell you that once I would say who I was voting for, people around me would chime in sheepishly that they were voting for Trump too.
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      • Posted by ScaryBlackRifle 7 years, 11 months ago
        Once the protests turned violent, I pulled my signs inside (I'm only one person and can't mount a 24 hr guard). When they settle down again, the Trump/Pence sign will go back out until Trump has taken the oath of office.
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        • Posted by term2 7 years, 11 months ago
          These riots are happening before trump even has done anything ! When he actually gets rid of obamas executive actions, the riots might intensify. The rioting will create a class of "closeted deplorables" and quietly strengthen trumps support
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  • Posted by ycandrea 7 years, 11 months ago
    The polls are based on popular vote. Hillary won the popular vote. So, are the polls rigged? (Don't get me wrong, I certainly did not vote for Hillary!)
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    • Posted by $ Snezzy 7 years, 11 months ago
      Hillary did not win the genuine popular vote. I predicted Trump at 76%, and I'm sticking to that number.

      Lots of weird things happened, such as the last-minute "discovered" ballots in Durham NC that voted only for Hillary and for (NC Governor candidate) Roy Cooper but not for any of the other positions on the ballot. The strange result is that Republican Dan Forest won the Lieutenant Governor's position, while Democrat Roy Cooper squeaked into the Governorship by 5000 votes.
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      • Posted by Blanco 7 years, 11 months ago
        I'm a Tarheel too, and I have grave doubts about the integrity of those vote totals coming out of VERY liberal Durham county at the last moment. I'm suspicious of the "technical problems" that led to the polls being open there long after they had closed elsewhere. I'm hoping the recount efforts will uncover the Democrat shenanigans.
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        • Posted by $ Snezzy 7 years, 11 months ago
          Apparently it's a Democrat tactic to hold back the results until they have calculated the number of extra votes required. Difficult, though, in landslide situations where they would need to produce votes from 180% of the registered voters to make the needed number.
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    • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 11 months ago
      Actually the useful polls were the statistically valid, large sample (over 1000), unbiased state by state polls. Nationwide polls, even unbiased ones, have trouble accurately predicting the electoral results. A couple days before the election, it became clear to me based on the state polls in the dozen or so "too close to call" states that Trump was in a much better position than Hitlery.
      This election shows one reason the electoral college system arguably exists: to lessen the chance of unequitable rule by disconnected urbanites in big cities.
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      • Posted by $ Snezzy 7 years, 11 months ago
        My wife received a call from one of the polls. The poll person hung up on her immediately after she said she favored Trump. BUT the call somehow didn't hang up. She could still hear the caller, talking to someone else. "Why'd you hang up?" "It was just a Trump supporter." "Oh, okay." She then heard other people being asked ten or more questions

        I'm still sticking to my 76% number!
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        • Posted by $ CBJ 7 years, 11 months ago
          The libs should have known better than to put so much faith in the "scientific" polls that gave them the results they wanted to hear. Ironic that their own complacency contributed to their defeat!
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  • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 11 months ago
    When Clinton/Sanders supporters began the labeling of Trump supporters as the seven deadly sins I won't name them but we all know what they are. This labeling created a silence among people saying nothing or even masking their support for a good hair day.
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  • Posted by Technocracy 7 years, 11 months ago
    In regards the thread title...

    Of course they were rigged it is in the interest of the pollster to keep being paid for their services. This means immense pressure to shade the numbers and methodology to yield the result your client is seeking. Or as close to it as you can reasonably manage.

    So the polls were adjusted by the pollsters. For Clinton you over sample Democrats and under sample republicans. If you need more margin you oversample independents too. Especially in demographic groups friendly to you client.

    Not to mention after harassing trump supporters relentlessly on the media, many either would not answer polls or did not answer honestly.

    Like the old saying does.....

    There are lies, damn lies, and statistics.

    We all know which of the three enables the largest lie.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 7 years, 11 months ago
    "Rigged" may be too strong a word here. There are many ways a poll can fail to produce an accurate measure of what it purports to be measuring. Most of those ways can happen by accident. Designing a good poll is hard.
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    • Posted by ScaryBlackRifle 7 years, 11 months ago
      The polls were pretty consistently wrong. Different pollsters should have made different mistakes, resulting in different errors.

      I settled on the Rasmussen poll pretty early on because it was consistent in its methodology. That let me check in on it for shifts in general trends.

      Once a LOT of people have made up their minds, it isn't likely that A LOT of them will change them. That made the polls showing rapid swings suspect, at best.
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 7 years, 11 months ago
    The polls were not rigged. For no apparent reason, 3% of the voters suddenly decided to switch from Hillary to Trump on election day. :-)
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    • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 11 months ago
      Some polls were "rigged" if you consider poorly designed and biased polls as rigged. those who funded and published those polls kept them at smaller samples (and sometimes non-statistically valid) because they are easier to manipulate.
      The national polls were by definition misleading because they didn't account for electoral votes. Hitlery's concentrated support in large urban centers: NYC, Chicago, and Bay Area CA slanted the national popular vote, but the more wide-spread less urban vote was more important electorally.
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      • Posted by ritzenhauf 7 years, 11 months ago
        agree. i'm ok with the definition of rigged accounting for confirmation bias.

        pollsters influencing the data, the media unduly influencing opinion, the angry echo chamber silencing disagreement.
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      • Posted by $ CBJ 7 years, 11 months ago
        True. Some of Hillary's people are calling "foul" because she received more popular votes than Trump. But if the election were by popular vote, both campaigns would have been run very differently and the outcome would have been different. For starters, Trump would have been spending more time in California and New York, and both candidates would likely have totally ignored Alaska and Wyoming.
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    • Posted by term2 7 years, 11 months ago
      And the closet deplorables, in the security of the voting booth, just voted the way they were going to anyway
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      • Posted by $ 7 years, 11 months ago
        There's a reason why there's a secret ballot.
        Wonder how many "agree with me or I'll make you miserable" PC bullies got secretly paid back Tuesday.
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        • Posted by term2 7 years, 11 months ago
          they used PC to make that happen for months and months. All the husbands who were hounded by the wives to vote for the beast. The husbands probably said "yes, dear", and voted for Trump. Secret ballot is great.

          I went on record saying the emails would sink Hillary way back in the primaries. I was wrong there. Then I said that someone was going to come along out of the woodwork and bump her out of the running like happened with Obama. I thought it would be Sanders. I was wrong on that one. As it turned out I was "sort of right" in the end, in that her crookedness came back to haunt her and Trump came out of the proverbial woodwork and kicked her out for good. three cheers for Karma...
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          • Posted by $ 7 years, 11 months ago
            Even that Herman Cain repeat for a dirty trick did not derail Trump's election.
            Recall during a debate Trump telling Hillary something akin to "Seven in one day this late? Come On!"
            All the evil hag did was to say nothing about it. Do believe she did not directly respond to Trump's accusations about her email scandal either, which included the wanton destruction of subpoenaed evidence.
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