bitter....

actually that's not true. The aides which "wrote" the majority of the law are finding very lucrative jobs helping companies "understand" it. There is a whole area of economics, public choice, where economists who have received the Nobel Prize for their work in this area, have proven there is no difference between public and private workers in achieving their self-interests.
http://www.suu.edu/faculty/baker_j/artic...

"fat cat" or 3500 hundred pages. hmmmm
because both control the doctor patient relationship

Idy: We have a comedian in this country that did a great spiel based on 'You can't fix stupid.' By the way, thanks for assuming that I'm a smart person. I don't know that is as true as much as I'm just a person that loves to learn. There are parts of my life in which I'm lazy, but I'
ve used that to my advantage as a prod to find smarter and less sweat inducing ways to accomplish things.
In many ways, I sympathize with the father in your story. But his daughter might well have learned a valuable lesson from her $800/mo job. That of work ethic and also that of the need to better her qualifications for better possibilities.
But all of that said, you can beat laziness. We did it in the 90's for a short while, by reducing, eliminating, and making it tougher to live on just a welfare basis and income. Large numbers of previous 'welfare' (lazy) families got up and went to work and drastically improved theirs and their families' lives and contributions.
But the welfare system has gradually crept back in and under Obama it has grown dramatically.
All of us in the Western World are in the fight of our lives against 'collectivism' and 'socialism'.
But Atlas and AR can be used to illustrate that we will win eventually. The producers, when driven far enough will find their own Galt's Gulch.

Smart people like u are the minority. The majority cannot comprehend a complex science or skill so they are trapped in minimum wage jobs. Even if they studied computer engineering every day hard, they cannot understand snything. Think back in your childhood in your classroom; what percentage of the class was excellent? And what percentage was just dragging their bodies to class without learning anyhhing? And what percentage were just lazy? U cannot beat laziness and that is a fact. I live in Europe and here it is even worse; the parents support their sons and daughters so they dont have to work in low pay jobs. An example that hsppened to a girl friend of mine with astonishing looks she is 26. So she found a secretary position for only 800 dollars a month. When her father learned about it, he told her i will give you the 800 lousy dollars and you will not have on top of it some idiot boss to grab your ass as well! And i am tslking about Greece, that is the country i live in. You cannot beat a mentality like this.

Thanks for the welcome. It is kind of fun to be provoked, isn't it?

Rob: "Wrong way to think about it in my humble opinion. If you are in the system you aren't gambling. You are guaranteed coverage"

But you miss the point. You're in the system by coercive force. You're also paying whether you need the services or not. Maybe I'd rather spend my money and effort living a healthy and safe life, thus avoiding the need for those services. I can buy catastrophic insurance for much less than a 'pay for everything' policy.

I think you also miss the point of gambling. Purchasing Health Ins. is your bet against the Ins. Co. that you're going to get sick and they're betting that you won't. It simply is not that difficult to prepare your self for the dangers of life. I can and have managed my own risk assessments my whole life. I have no interest in others trying to do it for me.

Doctors are and always have been as human as the rest of us. They were not altruistic angels. They were in medicine for the same reason I was in science and engineering, personal choice. The reason they don't come to your house anymore is as much about govt regulation and interference as it is about the sheer numbers of needs to be met.

Your arguments are naive at best.

KYFHO

Thats funny :) Social Security to fall back on. Again in premise, I believe if you make a deal with the debil, you suffer the consequences of your choices, but as I said, the reality is that we live in a country of moochers, who as soon as amnesty gets passed, will forever own the federal elections, voting themselves more and more of what they haven't earned, while the government borrows to pay for it, which is an actual tax on wealth in and of itself.

So we have on one hand the choice of "going Galt" and on the other hand dealing with what creates the least burden on us. Considering that Objectivists have almost no perceptible voice or sway in the political arena and the country is too far gone to try to save now, what is our next move? Is it possible to check out of the system by using something like bitcoin or a decentralized currency that can't be tracked by "The Man" or do we have to hide in a valley somewhere and start over?

Most (if not all) workers have no idea exactly how much money they have sent to the SS by the time they reach retirement age, and get an accounting.

Any withholding taxes sent in their name becomes part of their total, and there is no theft when they receive monies deposited in their account. The deposits were made, and forfeited by the identity thief.

Welcome to the fray Zen! Pride, sadly, is considered a fault not something to be worked at (as in pride in our work, pride in our success, pride in raising thinking, responsible children, etc.) I agree with you, it's insanity. As for the views expressed, I find the various views and opinions thought provoking, even though I may not agree with all of them.

Obviously nobody but a moocher would do something like that (and a criminal moocher at that)

snap!

It's your job to tell folks what you mean...and you either accomplish this, or 'fail'.

So far, everyone understands where you are coming from. Congratulations!

When, and if, the Congress convenes in some grassy field, they will be sitting under an OSHA free sky. As of now, they are using a building that adheres to OSHA guidelines...proved by your own findings.

Other laws were not part of the discussion, and you are trying to jump track...to avoid the inevitable head-on collision.

Sitting... standing... formidable either way. :)
Formidable... Now make sure you recognize this as the most pleasing meaning... :)