I think that everything not only CAN be logical but actually IS logical. Whether this logic is comprehended or not does not necessarily reflect on one`s (human) capacity to fathom...but is likelier founded on whether all the facts are present to form a cohesive understanding.

"To be" does not need to imply that there was a time that "not being" was the "condition." After all, if you accept that energy cannot be created nor destroyed...why not direct the same logic towards existence itself?

If the earth is 4.5 billion years old and it takes billions of years for mankind to appear...then it could make sense that evolution would gain some serious momentum as time goes on. As a subjective note, time feels like it speeds up the older you get. ;)

No true Christian ever became an Atheist.

You'd have to understand Christianity to know why.

I never decided to become a Christian... there's a hint.

Who is to say that there is any "random" action? Couldn`t everything that happens ultimately concede to an ultimate order (even "purpose") without denoting a creator deity?

If there was a "limit" to matter/energy...then perhaps the pattern of existence itself, the "Grand Original Design" which is a poetic metaphor for Truth itself, (to describe all of causality) would be the determining factor.

Of course, many Christians also become atheists after "questioning everything and exploring different ideas." Doesn't prove anything either way.

So belief in the existence of God does not require justification by "the reasoning of humankind", but belief in pink unicorns does? Sounds like a double standard to me. Especially since so many religions condemn non-belief as a moral capital crime, punishable by eternal damnation.

With all due respect, Solver, I don`t understand how whether "God is true" has any reflection on how the basic axioms of logic would be false. If "God is true," then that is merely new data to be processed by the engine of rational, objective thinking. The reason for rationally rejecting the premise of God is not because there can be no such thing as a God--but because it is entirely irrelevant to how one should live one`s life, especially considering that there is no logical evidence to back up the existence of God (except through the creative liberty of defining what "God" means, in which case, if you define God as something that is indisputably real, then there is no argument from a rational person, but merely, perhaps, a sense of semantical redundancy.)

well, each of us have our standards. You never down vote?

And that's why I'm saying, if people come into a careful study of the Bible (as Josh McDowell did years ago... kinda... he came into his thesis intending to disprove the Bible based on evidence, and ended up becoming a Christian based on the "questioning everything and exploring different ideas" he did when he was studying).

Point is, the evidence for the accuracy of the Bible, and its events, is so overwhelming, that it would be found truthful 100 out of 100 times in a court of law with an honest jury.

I am beginning to wonder if I am starting to get mentally disturbed after the daily attacks on the way things ought to be.

Multiple universes was extremely well explored in a Star Trek TNG episode with Riker as captain in several of the alternate universes and Guinan saying that it isn't supposed to be like this. Whether or not it is possible. I still like to consider the possibility. It makes each action or decision that much more important.

I guess I am too naive to look at the world in this way. If the world is that far gone, then there is no question that it is time to shrug.

Individuals can downvote for illogical comments. that seems reasonable. But it's a great discussion. why downvote? I only down vote for ad hominem or an obvious troll. If you are going to down vote-make it clear it's you! cowards

I noticed that. Out of many dozens, I think I down voted about three, for fair reasons.
I've also had some of my comments down voted, hopefully also for fair reasons.

Existence exists, always has existed and always will exist...

The World in which we exist is constantly changing, in all aspects. Our personal existence is therefore unstable at best and painful at worst unless we take charge of it.

Feeling “lost” if we can't take charge, we might look for an imagined “eternal consciousness” or "higher self" (i.e. GOD) to assuage these anxieties. This is speculative at best and imaginary to begin with.

Existence exists, always has existed and always will exist... until it doesn't exist anymore.

Deal with it!

Thanks, conscious. Regarding the non-contradictory Christian, he/she can be non-contradictory if he/she readily a) actually lives his/her life on behalf of another (Jesus) and b) admits to part a). The acceptance of lordship is a burden, not an impossible one but nonetheless a burden. Any Christian who accepts salvation and doesn't acknowledge Jesus' claim to lordship is in contradiction. Revelations 3:16 is relevant in this case. "Because you are neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth." Hence, I have no respect for lukewarm Christians.