Existence exists, always has existed and always will exist?

Posted by Solver 9 years, 11 months ago to Philosophy
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One way this could be is by infinite time theory. But this also would mean that everything has already happened in every way possible beforehand. Yet we all would be totally obvious that it did.

Another opposing theory is one or more God(s), Infinite immortal all powerful all knowing supernatural being(s), created everything.

SO FOR THIS TOPIC, WHICH IS MORE LIKELY AND WHAT IS YOUR REASONING?
Existence exists, always has existed and always will exist?
Or
One or more infinite immortal all powerful all knowing supernatural being(s) created everything?

(Is it also possible that neither is correct.)


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  • Posted by ToniDore 9 years, 4 months ago
    Have you heard of the book "The Afterlife of Billy Fingers" by Annie Kagan? If not, you really DO need to read this book!
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  • Posted by flanap 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thanks but not about luck, or anything else, but by the facts that God exists and tells us in His Word in Romans 1:18-30 that those rejecting the notion of God are not true to themselves knowing that He exists and they are in rebellion against Him.

    We cannot have it both ways....to believe that logical processes exists without acknowledging where the ability to logically processes our world and how we relate to it came from...evolution cannot explain it, so it had to come from somewhere.
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  • Posted by flanap 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    God has to have certain attributes to be God...those attributes cannot be defined by man, but by God revealing what they are he possesses, then showing man they are true via various media and modes of revelation. This has only been achieved by the God of the Bible.
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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Hello preimert1,
    Yes. There are multiple possible interpretations. I like to think he meant that there are laws of physics which even God (if you believe in him) did not leave up to chance, that behind everything there are rules that govern. Of course, like Einstein, we do not understand them all yet. :)
    Regards,
    O.A.
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  • Posted by Kova 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I`m not sure about that. We live in a society where attempts to save and prolong the life of every child born (hell, even conceived!) is applauded no matter the cost to taxpayers or the questionable quality of life for the infant.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    My guess is because any aberrant mutation would be eliminated. We will essentially prohibit our future evolution, if it happens.
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  • Posted by preimert1 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I would hypothesize that given enough time, both man and chimps may evolve further. Why should homo sapien be the last iteration? (Unless we succeed in obliterating ourselves, of course)
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  • Posted by preimert1 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "God does not play dice" Einstein. I could never figure out what he meant by that statement. Nature abounds with process, the results of which are stochastic arrays. Like when U235 is split, a bi-modal array of elements is produced. The modes are Sr and Xe (plus a couple of neutrons), but almost all other elements (except Fe) are possible. Maybe I'm missing his context?
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I understand. Take a deep, cleansing breath. Not all here are out to get you - or are against IP protection.
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  • Posted by khalling 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    it happens. I, too, want to fling some ad hominems right about now...
    at least God does not steal my property...currently...
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 11 months ago
    Go to hell. Oh, sorry, you already are. Nevermind.

    Yes, kh, that's an ad-hominem. Deserved it.
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  • Posted by conscious1978 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Playing "the victim" while lumping together all those without a belief in a god probably gets you points on the christian scoreboard. However, your smearing of concepts is dishonest - to yourself and others that read your comments.

    Faith and Reason are polar opposites; they are mutually exclusive. To say that you "find faith as much a reasoning process as anything" calls into question your understanding of either concept. Your beliefs are your own, but you don't get to redefine established concepts to bolster the a la carte religious views you've been espousing.

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  • Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thanks for sharing. I think that your path is probably a better one than most. Too many are "brought up in the faith", yet have little faith themselves. I find faith as much a reasoning process as anything - despite the disparaging comments by the atheists.
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  • Posted by Kittyhawk 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I went one way and then the other. As a child, I only attended services on holidays with my family. I was an atheist until my early 20s, and then I felt drawn to explore religion. Part of it was caused by public school teachers and media talking heads who had said the Bible was all myths and made-up stories. Once I learned that archaeologists had uncovered and confirmed many of the cities and battles talked about in the Bible, I realized I'd been misled, and wanted to know the truth. I read a lot, started going to weekly mass, and had my First Communion and Confirmation in my 30s. I'm not attending regularly these days, but I'm a believer that there is a God. Religions and individuals certainly struggle to describe God, but I find it a fascinating and rewarding pursuit.
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  • Posted by jimjamesjames 9 years, 11 months ago
    "Faith: Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel." Ambrose Bierce

    My conclusion after 70+ years: Belief: A conclusion drawn without rational thought.

    A belief is neither fact (it could be proven) nor truth (it could not be refuted). So, if a belief is a choice, the question is: why would one choose a belief that initiates force against another or is self destructive? (You psychiatrists can answer that one; I can't)

    Jefferson said "But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."

    As to existence, I tend to agree with it! And I think it was Joseph Campbell that said God is a metaphor to answer the unanswerable... or something like that.
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  • Posted by Kova 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The beauty about Objectivism, is that it adapts to factual data, to honest perception of the senses. Hence, if science proves that we are really just a quantum dream on some level, the genuinely rational person will adapt to this data and process future conclusions without the need to fall apart due to a "destroyed dogma." What is rejected (as mystical and impertinent) is merely because it has no basis in reality. Where it is impossible to know something, "working assumptions" are made based on what there is to know and what is likely.
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  • Posted by Kova 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think I have--but I would like to reserve further comment until you post about it again! :)
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  • Posted by Kova 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    This is why rational thinkers do not generally trouble themselves about the mystical or the "supernatural." Whether "it" exists or not, it is either irrelevant or impermeable. In either case, it makes no practical sense to trouble oneself with the unkknowable. To investigate the possibility of such, though, is not necessarily irrational--just most likely impractical.
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  • Posted by Kova 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Robbie, I somewhat "optimistically" suspected that when you pointed out the pragmatism in "covering your bases" regarding God, you were still, somehow, yourself, not motivated by fear but by love (and hope.)
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  • Posted by 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That sounds about right. Although, I wonder how much freedom he means.
    There are a progressively growing number of these newly enforced servitude rights which oppress the mind and prevent individuals the freedom to make their own best judgments.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Just curious and you certainly don't have to answer, but I'm curious as to whether you went one way or the other?
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  • Posted by Kittyhawk 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I found that citation when I was researching vaccine exemptions a few years ago, and was surprised the church was so open-minded. I attended a Catholic school from preschool through first grade, and was the product of a "mixed marriage" between a Catholic and an Objectivist, so my formative years were interesting.
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  • Posted by Kittyhawk 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I've seen the "popping" reference in quite a few places, so it's apparently a "scientific" term. I also wonder if there is some logical explanation that scientists will discover in the future. But have you heard about the double slit experiment? I'm going to post about it below.
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