Newsmax Poll: Majority Want Gingrich as Trump's VP
I concur...although the polling sample is only 600 something...could this be a trend?
I think Gingrich could keep trumpet on a leach.
I'm not voting for trump but what do you think of Gingrich as VP?
I think Gingrich could keep trumpet on a leach.
I'm not voting for trump but what do you think of Gingrich as VP?
As Speaker of the House in the 1990s he collaborated with major political and intellectual viro activist leaders, including E.O. Wilson at Harvard. Perhaps the best example of this is that Gingrich abused his enormous power as Speaker of the House to control legislation, sabotaging Republican efforts to roll back the powers of government land control agencies and the litigious viro pressure groups under the power given them by the draconian Endangered Species Act.
This was a serious betrayal of his supporters who had helped to put Gingrich in his position as Speaker on behalf of the preliminary 'tea party' revolt of the time, and it made him serious enemies who have not forgotten. This was not widely publicized, primarily because the media suppresses almost all mention of the controversy over ESA, but it is a big part of the resistance to Gingrich within the experienced political right today, which regards him as somewhat loony. He is.
In Gingrich's 2006 book Contract with the Earth with a forward by E.O.Wilson he unabashedly defended his religious viro, anti-private property rights ESA agenda and threatened to do more https://www.amazon.com/Contract-Earth...
"Environmental stewardship is everyone's responsibility, including Congress's. That is why I worked so diligently as Speaker of the House to protect the Endangered Species Act, historic legislation that has been mired in some controversy. Despite its flaws -- and there are some -- it is an essential conservation tool. In my evaluation of the legislation, I sought the advice of leading biologists such as E.O. Wilson and Thomas Eisner, esteemed members of the National Academy of Sciences. Good government depends on the counsel of our nation's best scientists...
"Environmentalists are not exclusive to one political philosophy...
"No single enterprise, event, or idea will renew the earth. Instead, I believe it will take a movement composed of dedicated citizens who can see the world in a new way and who will work together to bring about revolutionary changes in the way we conduct our lives. A Contract with the Earth aims to inspire a commitment to protect the integrity of the natural world and to usher in a promising age of environmental problem solving...
"I will continue to articulate and address these issues in my public life, and I invite you to participate in a continuing dialogue... [W]ork with us to restore and protect the good, green earth that our Creator has provided."
No rational individualist should be supporting Gingrich. Unlike those conservatives who espouse religious slogans, but because of mixed premises don't follow them to their logical conclusion in political policy, Gingrich does, and there is no better example of it than his viro Creationism rationalizing abuse of real individuals by the draconian Endangered Species Act in the name of "science" as its handmaiden.
There are a lot of religious conservatives involved in the battle for private property rights against the viros who remember and understand what Gingrich has done, and it is something that should be spread throughout the Tea Party movement so that others not familiar with Gingrich's intellectual and political history won't be suckered into supporting him.
"Subject: FW: Letter to Human Events on Newt Gingrich, 15/10/07
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:16:07 -0500
From: Myron Ebell
"As the RNC considers the candidacy of former Speaker Newt Gingrich for RNC chairman:
"Human Events, 15th October 2007
"Conservative Forum
"Gingrich, the Wayward Conservative?
"I love HUMAN EVENTS and am proud that you have published articles that I have occasionally submitted to you. In that mood, I might congratulate you on the terrific articles in your October 1 issue by Jerry Bowyer on the possible reasons for the collapsing price of New York Times stock ["Why the New York Times Has Been Such a Bad Investment," page 3] and by Deborah Corey Barnes on the financial motivations behind Al Gore's global-warming crusade ["The Money and Connections Behind Al Gore's Carbon Crusade." page 19].
"But I write instead to quibble-in the strongest possible way-about the headline of your interview with former Speaker Newt Gingrich: "Gingrich Lays out Course for Conservatives for '08" [page 7). Isn't this rather like the leftist publications and politicians that pretend to give good advice to their dim conservative opponents?
"While Mr. Gingrich is a highly partisan Republican to whom great credit is due for the Republican congressional victory in the 1994 elections, he has always been a wayward and confused conservative at best. On some fundamental issues, he is much worse-he is a committed opponent of core conservative principles and values.
"In particular, his beliefs and record on environmental issues have been disastrous for the conservative cause and for the constitutional rights and material wellbeing of millions of rural Americans. Mr. Gingrich was (and perhaps still is) a long-time member of the Sierra Club. Early in his years as Speaker, he blocked a vote on the floor of the House on a major reform of the Endangered Species Act that had overwhelming Republican and significant bipartisan support. Since this harmed Republican electoral prospects, particularly in the intermountain West (and continues to do so), it suggests that Mr. Gingrich put his environmentalist commitments ahead of conservative principles and even ahead of his own partisan self interest. Mr. Gingrich has in recent years taken credit with his allies in the environmental pressure groups as the person who single-handedly saved the Endangered Species Act from reforms that would respect people's property rights.
"Speaker Gingrich then created a process that gave then-Rep. Sherwood Boehlert (R.-N.Y.) veto power over all environmental bills coming to the floor. Boehlert led a small rump group of liberal green Republicans who seldom voted with the conservative Republican majority on any important issues. The result was that all efforts to pass needed reforms of America's environmental laws were stymied while Mr. Gingrich was Speaker.
"More recently, he debated Sen. John Kerry [D.-Mass] on global warming. It turned into a love-in, because Gingrich agreed with nearly everything Kerry said. He offered his usual concoction of "visionary" rhetoric about providing incentives to develop the whiz-bang new technology he loves but also added, "I am not automatically saying that coercion and bureaucracy is not an answer." You can say that again. The whole point of global-warming alarmism, like most environmental issues, is coercion and bureaucracy. If the solution to global warming doesn't involve big-government command-and-control, then it's not recognized as a solution. And Mr. Gingrich must know that.
"On this issue, as on most issues, he tries to escape confronting disagreements between the left and conservatives over fundamental principles by claiming that the real answer is to be found in new technologies administered by new technocracies that transcend these disagreements. This puts him in much the same position as those pathetic Republicans in the 1950s who promoted themselves to voters as more efficient operators of FDR's welfare state. If Mr. Gingrich's innumerable ideas and proposals are going to guide the conservative movement in the future, then please let me off the ship now before it sinks.
"Myron Ebell
"Director, Energy and Global Warming Policy
"Competitive Enterprise Institute"
Myron wrote to me later
"Quite a few conservatives read it when it was first published and told me they liked it. When I sent it round again, someone put it on a much larger list with a note saying that this was another reminder of why we had to stop Gingrich. So I think it's had a modest effect. His goofy book has hurt him with some conservatives who thought he was solid. Gingrich said he wouldn't run for RNC chairman, but I think hoped that members of the RNC would urge him to run, which he would then do. But no one did. Or maybe he really didn't want it because he still hopes to run for president."
You've gotta admit it was a while ago. I wonder where he stands on the issue currently. In any case, I still think he'll make a good candidate, and a great hatchet man, which is the V.P.'s primary job. With all of the messes needing cleaning up if Trump wins, I don't think ecology will play much of a part.
The viros are intensifying their controls and lobbying for more money. EPA has made new rules for itself controlling arbitrary land in the name of the Clean Water Act, shutting down coal mines, etc. The National Park Service is expanding and imposing more controls with other agencies, bypassing laws requiring Congressional approval using agency rule-making and presidential decrees of National Monuments. Viro activists are suing the government to "force" it through "friendly law suits" in collaboration with ideologues inside the agencies to impose restrictions, including using "Endangered Species" as the excuse. New legislation would provide more money to USFWS to expand with eminent domain. They are on the verge of making the Land and Water Conservation Fund, used to buy private property under the threat of eminent domain, permanent -- as a step towards making it an entitlement immune from appropriations at all. This is very serious.
Donald "eminent domain is wonderful" Trump and "intellectual" Newt "Creationist Contract on the Planet" Gingrich is an ugly combination.
In any case, the Trumpeter hasn't named a VP as yet, so we'll see very soon.
That is what happened under Clinton I under Gore's and Babbitt's viro ideology allowed to operate largely out of the major media coverage. It was very bad, Gingrich as Speaker of the House made it worse, and it is worse now. No one should be dismissing the misantrhopic anti-private property rights viro movement or Gingrich as VP as somehow not as important as the rest of Progressive statist destruction.
Ya...I wonder too if he's still on board with it...
Whose finger do you put on the button.
Seems like this should be as you were doing though a primary and critical discussion. Crap another LBJ. I would walk across the street to piss on his grave.
After his definition of "is", why would I believe anything Clinton claimed? ;^)
Ladies and Gentle mean we interrupt with this breaking news. The President has suffered a heart attack and the flags are being lowered to half staff.
The new President former Vice President ____ is even now being sworn in by Chief Justice whoever."
Based on real life and that scenario what name do you want to see on election day in the VP slot?
Weld
Gingrich
What's her name?
Really I'm so embarrased. I cannot remember that name Elizabeth something or another?
Borden? Naah she was into axes
Warren? Naah that was a Judge
Dole? Nope Pineapple heiress.
Think how often we allow some one like Biden, Quayles, Johnson, the greek named guy from maryland, to sit in that all too important slot and pretend nothing will ever happen. Kennedy, Reagan, Ford, is the job really to assassination proof the sitting President with their gross, draconian unacceptabilty. Their inability to even get on a primary ballot by themselves. Let's see Pelosi in number three spot elected by a handfull of grape growers turned pot farmers.
You know...Parts of this system really need changing.
Like them or not of those mentioned for the VP slot who would let you sleep well at night knowing their finger was on the nuclear button in charge of a massively failed economy or ending the endless wars?
Choose one and maybe say if that VP choice made you happier or unhappier with the presumption results in the top spot.
Might keep trumpet on a leech, but that doesn't need to be the VP.
He needs a black, hispanic or woman badly. What about Condaleza? She could take Hillary on very well, and the trumpet could stay above the fray!
Most qualified Americans from that particular background are afraid. Condo probably has the guts, stamina, ehtics and values though. interesting thought. In a evenly moderated real debate she'd slaughter The Wicked Witch of the Left. She's got more brains and intellectual ability than all of Hillary's staff put together. Of course there si the Obama back lash and the regualar garden variety racist/sexist/ bigoted tools to deal with.
Forgetting about basic politics, I can't believe how far our duly elected black president has taken US racism! It was better before. Much better.
He is nothing but an opportunist. An opportunist, whose entire range was offered by those that preceded him, making repubican't unelectable for a generation!
The lost party wondering in the dessert with jesus and lizards. Time for Libertarians to take the charge, and displace the broken elitist clowns.
Trump still needs to bring in minorities and women, where he lags terribly. Anything, is better than Hillary.
Hillary is an absolute non-starter, for more reasons than I can count and the chances of a 3rd party winning the election are minute, considering the current climate in this country.
If I'm wrong, about the 3rd party chances (I really hope that I am), I will gladly take my beating AFTER the elections.
Sometimes I get mail from someone and some group that says, "Gimme money to petition Senator Jeff Sessions to do something good and conservative for this or that or some other reason."
I'll be dropping the request into the trash can while thinking, "Why give you money? I already know Sessions will go ahead and do this or that without being asked."
And Sessions always does. That's why I freaking vote for Sessions all the time.
For that, me dino thinks Sessions deserves to be vice president. He would even make a great president the average Gulcher would be happy with way more than Trump.
Me dino be a happy camper with Richard Shelby also a senator and a dude named Palmer for my Washington rep for Sweet Home Alabama, even though that song is wrong about the sky always being so blue.
Heck, I came close to doing a dark sky tornado Dorothy about two days before Osama Bin Laden got his face shot dead.
We've all seen a cow do a Dorothy in that Twister flick. Imagine a Dorothy dino! .
Also unlike the song, I don't love my (current) governor. That divorced while in office adulterer with an appointee is a RINO tax-hiking piece of crap, who wouldn't cut any costs even after a sensible list of proposed cuts was presented to him.
Also, the freshly replaced Alabama speaker of the house just got sentenced to four years for taking bribes.
But that's the new normal for politics within my state. Just ask a former corrupt Alabama governor of the 90s, who is still serving a federal prison sentence.
I could go on but I can tell you're getting bored . . .
Since Hitler is not running, its not relevant.
Voting for evil gets an evil result. I won't consent to be a party to that.
Libertarians have not gained the opportunity thanks to the system set up by GOP and Dems to keep non-statist, non-evil parties out of the competition. The GOP and Dems have made things worse in every election in the past 30 years. The Libertarians will do much better for free markets and individual liberty, and will give you "at least better by small amounts."
I will say that the Democrats have done an awesome job in creating end fighting, the exact prescription to get the H witch elected.
I truly don’t know if Trump hates women, I know he loves is wife and daughters, so how could he hate women? Maybe because of the way he treated Megyn Kelly? That incident was towards an individual, not all women; She presented substantive questions to candidates but only asked these stupid gotcha questions of Trump.
Maybe if unfair because he’s rich; really? The man is very successful, people on this board are saying he’s rich because he cheats. This is simply embarrassing…. You know moocher will mooch anyway they can, I just find it funny when the people on this board start sounding like a moocher. We don’t know the specifics of these deals or have both sides of the argument.
Donald Trump isn’t a conservative nor an objectivist, he is himself which is more than I can say for anyone else running.
You better wake up and vote for the lesser of the two evils in the general, feel free to vote your conscience in the primary.
The course of the culture is set by the dominant ideas adopted and implemented. One of the ideologies causing the destruction is environmentalism sacrificing people to nature. The source of its destructive ideas and power is not the UN. Newt Gingrich is one of them, already described on this same page at https://www.galtsgulchonline.com/post...
Note to the right...in the blue background is: The 2030 Agenda for sustainable development.
This is how the John Birch Society used to undermine freedom. They did all kinds of detailed research and misused it in conspiratorial rationalistic concoctions stringing together out of context details, thereby becoming an easy target to discredit in the name of discrediting serious advocates of freedom. The course of a culture is determined by the ideas adopted and held by those with the ability to spread and implement them, not any goofball caught saying something evil and rationalistically used to hysterically portray the random nuts as a dire threat and source of our problems.
It is even worse than the 'evil man' theory of history disregarding the role of fundamental ideas. It doesn't even correctly identify who is causing the destruction.
The viro "sustainability" drive to make nature "sustainable" without human interference is from the US viro pressure group activists and lobbyists, and their movement representatives entrenched in education and government agencies, not black helicopters from the UN.
The UN Man in the Biosphere program is run by each nation, not the UN. In the US it is run by the State Dept., which delegates it to the National Park Service. It has no more power than NPS already has, yet you have nothing to say about the National Park Service and its sordid history for the last century.
http://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/
The most dangerous terrorist is the one closest to you.
However, if Trump selects Gingrich it could provvide a much-needed boost to the poll numbers for the Johnson/Weld ticket.
I helped push a third party in the 70's, when it comes to the presidency a third party is just a spoiler. You will end up with the results that you least wanted.
As one who has voted for every Libertarian presidential candidate since 1972, I think the exact opposite is true. By voting for my principles, my votes over the years have had far more impact than if I had allowed the two “establishment” parties to dictate my choices.
Consider this: no matter how you have voted for President in the past, your vote has never made a difference in the outcome. Nor will it do so in the future. Even if you live in a “swing state” that could go either way, your lone vote will not spell the difference between victory and defeat for either establishment party candidate.
So if you can’t change the election outcome, why vote at all? The answer is that by voting Libertarian, you will be adding to the vote totals of the only party that consistently supports individual freedom. And those vote totals matter – the establishment parties pay close attention when a significant number of voters break with the two-party system, and they will often modify their stands on certain issues to protect their base and prevent further defections.
On the other hand, if you vote for the “lesser of two evils,” you are saying in effect, “I support the political status quo. I have faith in the two-party system, and I’m not interested in supporting candidates from other parties, even if they have fresh ideas that I agree with. I don’t like either of the two establishment party candidates, but I will vote for Establishment Party Candidate X because he or she is not quite as bad as Establishment Party Candidate Y.” This truly is a waste of your vote, and does nothing to advance the cause of freedom.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07...
I actually think Trump candidacy is doomed because a nicer VP would be a foil making his loose-cannon shtick look worse. The media will pounce on some gaff, possibly unfairly, along the lines of the Dean "scream" in 2004, and he will implode.
I could be wrong, of course, because I never predicted he would get this far.
(being a distant relative of Webster...I take license to create new words) laughing
What was that movie with the Chicken Dance and Uncle Olaf ahhh. He Said She Said.
That f 'n chicken dance...hahahahah
My Dad was a "toe head" from birth...at birth so was I but it darkened through the years. (englishman in the wood pile {Taft];-actually one of the black ignoble's from Venice)-(son married the daughter of Webster)
"What's that sound? What's that sound?"
Ufta
(Sorry, carl, but I disagree on that phrase;^)
I still would like to see Gary get off his ass and make his presents known...not the best choice we might dream of but one I could get behind.
The primary is over Trump won and I will vote for him.
Newt will make a great VP.
Scary as this sounds I would even vote for Jessi Jackson over Hillary, and God knows that would be a HORROR STORY.
I wish that there were someone who could win other than Trump but there isn't so I will vote Trump to prevent Hillary.
With Gingrich as VP? Changes the whole picture. Objectively speaking and considering Trumps weight problem....but then even Hillary looks like and reportedly is a candidate for death warmed over. That VP choice is becoming very important especially with Pellosillyni waiting in the wings.
Thanks but not thanks; Like Johnson and Weld he hung himself by his own tongue.
Major unknowns, if these are the two, little to find on them except admit to be naive and allowing themselves to be duped by Obama.
Not much of a resume for more responsibile position.
Unless it's two others. Given the sparcity of responses on Google I reckon that's a dead end
The article is interested. Military has been cut in half and a lot of people dumped on the job market for which many of them get top hiring priority shoving aside others who've been without jobs for a good deal of time.
I guess Obeyme figures stirring the pot of unemployment equals employment and i wonder if those near half a million were counted in the unemployment roles at all.
Then too were these two individuals Obama appointees? That means they were chosen for naivete, pliability and yesmanship. What are they doing now? Certainly not hurting for income.
Just in time to be part of the next cycle of economic repression.
Now tell me again why everyone should have the vote. Mooching illiterates shouldn't have citizenship to begin with.
Guess you forgot how he caved in to the Demoncrats and Clinton repeatedly and betrayed the promises made to his supporters.
Hey, since I think we agree that all the current candidates are not what we would prefer, I'm going to vote for the one that will be most entertaining: Trump.
I'd better get to producing so I can leave the country ;^)
So yeah go ahead and make your case. After if it was true they were only the right wing of the left anyway. No big deal.