There Is No Such Thing As Radical Islam
Post Orlando, odd posts popped up throughout the web, hostile to Christians, even blaming Christians for motivating the massacre at Pulse. How odd, I thought, the gay community is so focused on its low level persecution by Christians and Western Civilization that it can't bring itself to see the people who not only perpetrated the massacre but, claimed glorious credit for it. Then it occurred to me, when we analyze events and threats, we use our own personal probability models. Even though Christians in the US can do little more than shout names at the gay community, the community is 100% certain the Christians condemn them emotionally. Muslims, on the other hand, just murdered 49 and wounded scores more gays. But, to the gay community, the odds of being killed by a Muslim are so small that they ignore the improbable, no matter how deadly and, focus on what they see as a sure thing, even though it's little more than an irritant.
Strange but, apparently true, the Calculus of Self Deception.
Strange but, apparently true, the Calculus of Self Deception.
I have a perfectly straight face and can do the same for fully automatic revolvers or silenced/supressed revolvers.
Christians can carry such items as long as they aren't Democrats as the combination would probably be too much of a load.
Religion too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r-e2...
Not so many jokes about logic, except it is boring.
Do you resort to childish insults like "empty chest" and "ignorance" because the argument you cling to is a thread?
Thus far, you have educated a number here that you are a zealot. The he loud (capital) words, insults and week-long studying to respond, do nothing to offset silly "spoiler alerts". Guess what? The gospels of the new testament was also written hundreds of years after Jesus death. Surprise!
You can keep your one true god, all his man-created dogma, the easter bunny and the belief that all the people killed in his name are not due to faith. None of it is logic. None of it is supported by the actions of the followers and religious leaders.
Now speaking of the qur'an; it contains at least 109 verses which demands Muslims to go to war with nonbelievers [Kafir (singular)/Kuffar (plural)/People of the Book (Christian and Jew)] for the Islamic rule of the world.
Some being quite graphic, commanding them to chop off heads, fingers [ever heard or seen this in the news?] and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding.
Now to speak to your 'so-called' nice muslims; those that DO NOT join the fight either through action, funding, lying or protecting those that are fighting directly are called 'hypocrites'. These people are warned that allah WILL SEND THEM TO HELL if they do not take part in the several forms of 'jihad'.
I do understand your ignorance of the several books of islam; qur'an, hadith, sira and laws in sharia; I mean why read and learn when you can speak just as confidently from a position of ignorance. But, the qur'an unlike nearly all [all but one] of the Old Testament verses regarding any act of violence, these verses calling for violence in the Quran are almost all open-ended; understanding that this may be confusing to you, let me further explain, meaning they aren't confined by the historical context referred to in the surrounding text They are the main piece of the 'eternal' word of allah, of course as told to the illiterate one [Moe] by Gabriel and they remain just as relevant to interpretation as anything else in the qur'an, more so then those that came before them such as the 'Meccah,' verses do to Moe's claim of 'abrogation'.
Now it is highly possible the uneducated in islamic writings not understand what 'Moe' meant of 'abrogation' or in layman's terms nullification of earlier verses when used with or in confusion with later verses such as verses
3:56 "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."
2:216 "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
2:191-193 "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...
And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief of allah or worshiping of any other] and worship is for Allah alone.
4:76 "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"
4:89 "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From worshiping any other but allah alone). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."
8:59-60 "And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (allah's purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy, [enemy is anyone that believe's in anything BUT allah as the only god], of allah and your enemy."
8:65 "O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight..."
9:5 "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."
As you may have noticed, I have some verses out of numerical order. This order was purposely done to point out that the qur'an is not written in historical or chronological order and this was purposely done by the 'writers' of the book; SPOILER ALERT it was written after Moe's death, a horrendously painful and humiliating death at the hands of a 'Jewess' [Jewish female]. This is classic God as Moe treated women as do all muslim men as second or third class citizens and the fact that Moe like Hitler hated the Jewish people. For Moe to die at the hands of a Jewess is yet another classic move showing Moe wasn't anything to the One True God!
Now there is a word for those that try to help muslims without being one; they are called 'dhimmi's'; a dhimmi is a non-Muslim who goes along with Islam and even defends Islam while never reading any of Islam’s source texts.
An examples of what is known as 'dhimmitude' [the action] are Ministers, Priests, Popes, Rabbis and President's who attend multicultural meetings with imams and SAY THEY WORSHIP THE SAME god, or when schools fail to teach the history of 270,000,000 murdered in jihad, these schools are acting as dhimmis for islam.
If you would like to continue puffing out your empty chest; I welcome the opportunity to continue educating you and those other readers here.
May the One True God [YHWY] bless all His children; even those children that do not know Him yet.
You want to assert that muslims are simply blood thirsty as a documented whole, but only recent behavior by well-to-do christians and poor muslims separate the overall actions of either. I assert they are both 1) easily misled, 2) historically overwhelmingly killing for power, and 3) the texts of both support mortal behavior in vague manners (way beyond one statement, and definitely one-sided interns of exoneration).
If you want to support an argument that all true muslims are murderers, you need to start all the way back and exonerate all the christians first. As I have repeatedly explained, the "no true Scottsman" fallacy is wholly inadequate, and trying to begin with a new, virgin, modern-context literal interpretation of the bible is simply a conveinent definition of a new religion, not a defense of christianity.
Vague notes about "misquoting the bible" or making "incorrect statements about it" are just obfuscating irrelevant noise.
Make an assertion and support it with logically applied facts or end this discussion.
Killing is different then murder; you must understand that correct?
The Word of God misused by man does not weaken the Word, I have no more 'ax' to grind then those misquoting the Bible or making incorrect statements about it.
the topic sentence by you was: "Really? The Old Testament prohibits MURDER? Better read it again."
Maybe we should discuss your verbiage?
Well, like I and others said elsewhere in this string is posts: 1) the bible has way more than one place supporting killing; 2) the actions of the churches and religious individuals well-support my assertion; 3) the "no true Scottsman" argument is a fallacy.
If you have a real logical argument to present, do so. If you just have some christian axe to grind, you are in the wrong place.
If your goal is to convince a person of another orientation, then attacking the person you want to change is not likely to lead your objective. Probably you know this, and I can dismiss it as the motive of your comment.
If you feel better by putting other people down with bromides and pontificating, then I suggest you place a lot of mirrors in your house and run from one to the other reciting your slogans. You may wish to video them. But do not pretend to yourself the exact nature of your motives and goal.
If, however, you genuinely want to communicate, and not play a role of being the heroic, right-thinking, all-knowing seer without whose words others will wither, suffer and die, then you must end role playing and posturing. Treat people as equal humans and enter into discourse.
As Eric Hoffer said: “The less justified a man is in claiming excellence for his own self, the more ready is he to claim all excellence for his nation, his religion, his race or his holy cause.”
BTW, did you try the test to prove god?
LOL...WHAT A MAAAAROOON as your leader Bug's Bunny would say...LOL
Are the laws of the Old Testament still binding? Yes. Check these passages in the bible. Gen 17.19; Ex 12.14, 17, 24; Lev 23.14, 21, 31, 41; Dt 4.8-9, 7.9, 11.1, 28; 1 Chr 16.15-17; Ps 119, 151-2, 160; Ec 12.13; Mal 4.4; Mt 5.18-19; Lk 16.17 No. Lk 16.16-17; Rom 6.14, 7.4, 6, 10.4; 2 Cor 3.14; Gal 3.13, 24-25, 5.18; Eph 2.15; Col 2.14
Tell you what, let’s try a test to prove god
Let us do this experiment. Everyone can do it, atheists, agnostics, Christians, Zoroastrians and whatever: Talk to your god and tell him if he can do anything — such as create the world in six days, kill his own son for the sins of the world, set the galaxies in motion — then surely he can appear in your living room for five minutes so you can chat.
What a small thing for the god of the universe. Nothing is too hard for him (Jeremiah 32:27); with God all things are possible (Matt. 19:16). And we’re not even asking him for a miracle, like water to wine so we can party. We just want him to spend five minutes with us in person. If he really loves us so much (John 3:16), he should be willing to spend some time to remove our doubts.
Please try this in your own home. Let me know the results. Be sure to video the event, send me a copy and put one on YouTube. I’m particularly interested in what this god looks like — if he has an elephant’s head, for instance, there are going to be lots of disillusioned Muslims.
Yes a troll is one that looks to start false debt, much like you did.
Maybe you can get a part in the next hobbit movie
We were all done with this discussion weeks ago. Do you know what a troll is?
We do not live our Christian life by following the Old Testament Law. The Apostle Paul makes this abundantly clear. It is not something fabricated to win an argument, or made up in the twentieth century, or manufactured to get around something somebody doesn’t like. It is clearly stated in the Greek scriptures. The Apostle Paul wrote it in Galatians:
All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” (Galatians 3:10)
If we rely on following the Law (the Torah, the first five books of the Bible) we are under a curse. The passage above, Galatians 3:10, contains a quote from the Law itself, Deuteronomy 27:26. According to Paul’s statement below, things have changed.
Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law by becoming the cure for us. (Galatians 3:13)
But, you say there are SEVERAL more instances backing you up; I am waiting...STILL
CAN YOU READ?
Now the Crusades again not called for by God were done to stop the genocide of Christian's by the muslim's.. that was good and will be again
I'll wait, I won't hold my breath though
You see this is what those that do not read try to do to confuse 'young' Christian's. We must stand on the Word; evil is not Self-Defense, evil is murder, rape, enslavement
Please, obvious non-studier of the Holy Bible; Tell us
Christian's DO NOT HATE LGBTQ PEOPLE; Christian's know the Act is a sin to God but the person is a sinner as are we all.
Do not try to twist words to make a false point.
There is no such thing as a 'moderate' muslim; there are devout muslim's and non-muslim's
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