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  • Posted by wiggys 8 years ago
    How about arresting employees of OUR government for misleading the people who comprise the population of the nation with false statements about climatic conditions.
    last week I checked the average temperature for the western slope of colorado for just the monthe of May. the average is 50's at night and 70's during the day, however the month of May 2016 has been 40's at night and 60's during the day.
    I also read that the atlantic ocean level from d.c to ny harbor has actually declined slightly, and then yesterday i read that england is having december weather now. maybe the government employees should go to the new england area and experience the summer winter that the people that live there are enjoying.
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  • Posted by Temlakos 8 years ago
    The law, of course, assumes (without warrant) that the globe is warming, and that human beings, through their development and use of fossil fuel resources, are to blame for it. Apologists for this new law have already told me, "But this law aims itself at greedy giant corporations, who knew, have known, or ought to know that global warming is real, and are trying to deny the value of alternative energy." In answer, I gave them Floyd Ferris' crisp observation about the purpose of law in a looters' State: to create criminals.

    Logically, this law would extend itself to more than businesses trying to "protect the old way by denying the need for the new." Would it not also extend to any politician who campaigned on the basis of rolling back global warming regulation? Would not the AG have the power, indeed the duty, to prosecute any politician running on an anti-regulatory platform? And any advocacy group showing that global warming is a lie?

    This is unconstitutional on its face. "Congress shall make no law...abridging the freedom of speech." And: "No bill of attainder or ex post facto law shall be passed."
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 12 months ago
      You must have missed the Dear Leaders announcement of 31 December last when he cancelled that particular piece of paper with the help of 85 Senators. .
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 12 months ago
      You are quoting the Constitution isn't that the national version of California's Global Warming bill?

      Knocks on you door tonight
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      • Posted by Temlakos 7 years, 12 months ago
        If by that you mean to refer to the excuse the collectivists offer, that the Constitution is "a living document"--that "means exactly what the Supreme Court says it means, any time it says it," then your usage might be correct.
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 12 months ago
          Hush your mouth for speaking such drivel. Not only that the Declaration of Independence wasn't forged and as a Mission Statement wouldn't have any bearing on the Constitution anyway. The Constitution is a dead document because the country through it's time and time again approval by electing delegates to the federal government chose to kill it. It's called tacit approval and is another way of saying we approve your ignoring it.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years ago
    Then why do groups and scientist NOT in any way connected to "Big Oil" proving anthropogenic warming is false? Did these creatures ever think of that?...Oh, I forgot, They Can't think...they have no mind, no conscience and very, very little brains.

    From now on, I'll call them the "Chicken Little" Gang.

    However...I think we all could find evidence that climate change Is..."anthroid-pogenicly" caused...if they'd just keep their Mouths and anuses shut...the climate would cool down.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years ago
      Easily explained. The only thing proof and progressives have in common in the letter pee.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years ago
        I have been simply looking up their simple minded crap for years and simply put it's pablum for the a secular 700 club mind set which means no mind at all. Which of course is a damn good definition of California. For them the sky is always falling but if will just (insert Sally Strothers) and call now .... etc. I can skip California . Seen one freeway you have seen them all.
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  • Posted by $ Stormi 8 years ago
    First, this is stupid that liberals think they can take the right of free speech, just because we do not agree with their talking points by government paid scientists. When global warming was a bust, they changed to climate change, which is what weather has and will do.
    I want them to talk about what government has done to change the weather, and what other countries' governments have done to change our weather. Let's be honest, thess facilities are weapons of war now. Ask for the budget for HAARP and say you want accountability for your tax dollars, and the Congressmen run like scared deer. They have HAARP Alaska and Puerto Rico, Russia, England and several countries have similar facilities. Ours heated the ionosphere and changed the jet stream. Blaming oil companies is like blaming a bunny rabbit for human overproduction. We can not stand for letting liberasl who do not do their homework shut down free speech of others. If liberals want a debate, let them use their own words, not something fed into their brains by politicians. They are scared, because they know they are lying to suit the UN, which says they just want people to believe, true or not, so they can control all of us.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 8 years ago
    this is the same as fcc censorship of radio and tv,
    the same as the police keeping your money on mere
    suspicion of illegality -- it's creeping hitlerism on the
    left. . and they blame right-wingers for just that,
    to distract from its existence! -- j
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years ago
      Right wing only means those who believe in citizens over government. left wing means government over citizens. that other definition is BS. Questions. How many hob nails in a jack boot these days and does the wicked witch of the left waddle or hobble?
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years ago
    Drill, baby, drill!
    Nyah!
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    • Posted by Zenphamy 8 years ago
      That didn't deserve a down vote +1
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      • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years ago
        +1 back, pal.
        Someone -1 THAT!?!?
        Nyah in your face, Big Brother!
        Frack, baby, frack!
        Mine, baby, mine!
        Pipeline build, baby, build!
        Coal car trains chug, baby, chug!
        Truckers drive, baby, drive!
        Sea container cargo blub, baby, blub!
        I am dino!
        Hear me ROAR!
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        • Posted by Dobrien 8 years ago
          +1 for the old Dino
          Let's hear your engine roar!
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          • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years ago
            Just realized that I DID leave out aircraft emissions.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJqtr...
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            • Posted by Dobrien 8 years ago
              I can't help being in awe of the YouTube videos available at my finger tips.
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              • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 12 months ago
                Through most of my life I never imagined having my very own a home computer--never mind it providing such a wide scope of entertainment.
                When I first heard of computer as a kid, one filled an entire room and helped scientists with complex computations.
                Whoa! Comparing "computer" to "computations." Ha, ha, it is to laugh.
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                • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 12 months ago
                  The first univac computer took up 2 floors of a building and couldn't compute as well as a hand held calculator.
                  It has progressed to incredible abilities . About the opposite of our political leaders.
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                  • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 12 months ago
                    That rings as vaguely familiar from something I may have learned a foggy long, long time ago.
                    If so, I later learned that an improving computer tech shrank to the size of a room.
                    As for political leaders, their reasoning capabilities meanwhile shrank as tech capabilities enlarged.
                    Maybe shrinking to get smarter computers was nature attempting to achieve a balance against humanity dumbing down.
                    For example, consider Millennials with their needful handheld devices.
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                    • Posted by Dobrien 7 years, 12 months ago
                      I love the optimism regarding the balance of nature offsetting the current state of mind
                      I must apologize for my error in saying the computers size was 2 rooms. I had heard that from someone long ago who was exaggerating A simple Fact check , the machine filled a room. Sorry Allosaur
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                      • Posted by $ allosaur 7 years, 12 months ago
                        That's okay. At least you're not afraid to admit to a mistake.
                        I make goofs all the time.
                        Still, I wonder why your admitted error still seems vaguely familiar to me.
                        Maybe I once heard one person long ago make a similar exaggeration.
                        Oh, well, during my lifetime Old Dino heard all kinds of things that did not pan out to be correct.
                        People can say anything.
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  • Posted by Riftsrunner 8 years ago
    Did I miss the announcement that California had seceded from the United States? As much as I have personal opinions on climate change, I am pretty sure that this isn't settled science one way or the other. As such, the first amendment is still in play as regards both sides on this issue. Or has the Social Justice Kool-aid somehow gotten mixed into the state legislature coffee. I understand why SJW's try to preclude opposing views to their own, but for government to run as smoothly as possible it relies on the full spectrum of opinions to be heard. Even science doesn't claim to have absolute answers and is quite willing to entertain opposing views to reach the best truth available.
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  • Posted by lone_objectivist 8 years ago
    Oh joy. Welcome to the Spanish Inquisition. "Our chief element is surprise - and a fanatical devotion to bad science."
    Whether "global warming" is true or not, you can't stifle comment on it, unless you resort to thumbscrews...
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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 7 years, 12 months ago
    Hello AJAshinoff,
    I thought California was eventually supposed to fall into the sea from an earthquake. I used to think that would be a tragedy... :P Anyone left there with any sense, get out while you can. One day these fruitcakes will be successful and pass such nonsense.
    Respectfully,
    O.A.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 7 years, 12 months ago
      The story was about a major fault lines of which the San Andreas is the most prevalent and runs right under a major nuclear reactor near Port San Louis. and Cal Tech. Everything West was replaced with everything East of 'Klamath Falls, Oregon and the Cascades in another version. The best story was a government sponsored split would move everything in Southern California would be fall into Mexico or be taken as collateral on unpaid debts. Trouble was not one bond buyer could be found with that shaky a backup. Why? Who could afford the water bill? Must be true to date not one debt note has been sold
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  • Posted by MinorLiberator 7 years, 12 months ago
    Given the proud intellectual heritage of these kinds of laws, do the punishments live up to that heritage? Are stakes, straw and public squares being allocated in advance?
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  • Posted by BradA 8 years ago
    So do we also get to prosecute the Priests of the Church of Man Caused Global Warming when their fear mongering and predictions fail to come true and their theories are shown to be nothing more than a techno-fakeout to support socialist income redistribution of wealth?
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    Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years ago
    I strongly disagree with such a bill/law. Exxon out-and-out lies in denying climate change, but they're not lying saying their product is special. It's like someone selling alcohol and lying by claiming alcohol really doesn't cause health problems. It's completely different, though, if they said this is special new liquor that doesn't cause the health problems associated with alcohol. I suspect they would already be breaking laws doing this, and we don't need any new legislation.
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    • Posted by freedomforall 8 years ago
      Where is proof of their lies, CG?
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        Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years ago
        "Where is proof of their lies, CG?
        They hired people make videos, designed to look like students' independent ideas, denying the role of burning fuel in climate change. So they not only lie, but they lie about whose doing the lying. I don't see any of that as a crime though, anyone can go look up the facts if they want.
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        • Posted by freedomforall 8 years ago
          Where is the proof, CG? Your word isn't adequate (nor is mine;^)
          Lets also examine the fraudulent studies done in support of "climate change", formerly called "global warming" because that turned out to be obvious lies based on actual weather temperatures.
          You are a lot smarter than this, CG.
          Of course climate does change, but there is not adequate scientific evidence to support blaming humanity for it.
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          • Posted by MinorLiberator 7 years, 12 months ago
            Indeed. If you missed "Climate-Gate", as it was of course suppressed, er, "not widely reported" in the MSM, Google it, and read about it. The University of East Anglia, a primary source of AGW "scientific data" was shown by a whistle-blower, an expert "programmer/modeler" working for them, discovered consistent, systematic fudging of their data to make their case.

            In addition, he found and released, "HUMINT", in the form of emails, between East Anglia and other AGW "scientists" at other universities, including the "hockey stick" guy, discussing the fudging, and also which opposing scientists were to be excluded from scientific/academic journals.

            The most damning symptom of their failure is a consistent refusal to release their raw data to other academics/scientists to verify, a clear aberration from normal academic research practice.

            The story overall, if you can find it, it a detailed damning of the entire AGW movement as anti-scientists and pure ideologues.

            Shame, shame, shame.
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            Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years ago
            You can simply look this up. If you want to deny the facts, you have to resort to wishful thinking or a political conspiracy.

            The wishful thinking relies on the possibility that future discoveries will break in our favor. That could happen. I always think of how the scientific evidence showed all fats were unhealthful in the 80s, and scientists later found new evidence in favor of what we all wish were true. So that could happen.

            The conspiracy theory says science is too influenced by the interests who fund the studies. I agree with that part. For example, someone has a reason to fund a study to see if there's a slight benefit from administering blood pressure drugs to someone with only slightly elevated blood pressure. There is less motivation to study the effects of eating celery every day or something like that. Following this path, we'd expect research to understate the risks of economic activity and overstate the benefits of some approach that business can provide to mitigate those risks. Most economic activity is in some way powered by releasing carbon by extracting and burning fuels from the earth. So almost all political forces push in favor burning stuff, e.g. Exxon's out-and-out lies.

            My claim is that the lies are so transparent that they do not constitute fraud in any form. Anyone can go look up the facts.
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            • Posted by freedomforall 8 years ago
              First, I'm not being distracted by your insulting attempts at changing the subject and trying to attack the character of anyone who disagrees with your unsupported theory by name calling.
              That detestable behavior is unacceptable in the Gulch. Its irrational and not objective. Take that irrational rubbish to facebook. It has no place here.

              Its your statement, CG. You can't support it and you want me to go back up your statement. Not my job. You want any credibility, you have to back up what you say. If its so easy to do and based on such solid science, then provide links to the unassailable data.
              You made statements that depend on unproven assumptions. Prove them or shut up.
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    • Posted by Zenphamy 8 years ago
      Alcohol doesn't cause health problems. Excessive consumption of alcohol, and almost anything else causes health problems.

      As far as I know, Exxon doesn't deny climate change--they support science that studies and performs experiments and research and development of various and sundry topics and discoveries and technologies. Just as many businesses do, including marketing of their product and protection of themselves from many forms of idiocy. They've made many significant advances and discoveries over the decades of their existence that has improved our lives and has made a lot of money for many, many of their stockholders.

      The shame is that they find it necessary to spend a great deal of money to protect themselves from other groups that attack them based on false and lieing charlatans of science, anti-life and anti-human attackers--to the effect that it increases our cost of their products and decreases the profit of their stockholders.

      There is acknowledged proof of false science and data manipulation of those that are proponents of AGW. There is also more than adequate proof in the geography of this planet that climate changes. There is no proof of AGW.

      I would add that this entire subject provides adequate proof that much of the population of this country are idiots--some malovelent. This is what you get with unlimited democracy.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 12 months ago
        "I would add that this entire subject provides adequate proof that much of the population of this country are idiots--some malevolent."
        I agree completely. I don't know if it's malevolence, wishfully thinking, just busy and looking the other way, or some people being veritable "false and lying charlatans of science, anti-life and anti-human attackers." It's some combination of those things. I don't try to work out their motivations. I want a solution.
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        • Posted by Zenphamy 7 years, 12 months ago
          To be able to find a viable solution, you must know the motivations, levels of susceptibility to propaganda and snake oil salesman, level or interest in knowledge based education, and degree of other person control desire.

          One of the better examples I know of is the existence and evidence of studies performed in France and the Mediterranean substantiating the health benefits of moderate red wine consumption on a regular basis throughout life, available in the 60's and 70's, but not published in the US for several years as a result of the 'War on Drugs' and alcohol prejudice from 'Prohibition' still prevalent in many areas of the Bible Belt as well as the Public Health arena.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 12 months ago
        "Alcohol doesn't cause health problems. Excessive consumption of alcohol, "
        It's just shorthand. Both my wife's parents died of it. It's an excruciating process to watch. Oddly, on their death certificates they printed "ethanol" as the cause of death instead of decades of over-consumption of ethanol or something like "liver failure". It's odd how we cut these things down to one word.
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