The Mark: Scientist Claims Human Microchip Implants Will Become "Not Optional"

Posted by $ AJAshinoff 10 years ago to Science
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They will have to physically force this on me. Hell, I won't even use a GPS and my cell phone is older than dirt.


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  • Posted by $ Maphesdus 10 years ago
    Wow, this is such conspiracy theorist garbage. The scientist who said this was Mark Gasson, and he NEVER said that the microchips would be forcefully implanted into anyone. All he said is that having a microchip would be such a huge advantage, that it would become incredibly difficult to operate in society without one, sort of like having a credit card or debit card. Sure, you CAN insist on only paying for everything exclusively with cash, but if you do, you lock yourself out of online stores like Amazon and eBay. Having the ability to engage in electronic purchases online has become such a big part of our modern daily life that those who refuse to use electronic forms of payment are effectively cutoff from a huge sector of the market. The government didn't do it to them. They did it to themselves.

    The fact that this website is claiming that cell phones are a form of enslavement should be a huge tipoff that the entire site is nonsense. Disregard.

    If you want to know what Mark Gasson ACTUALLY said on this matter, you can watch his full TEDx speech here:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvheQ9lf...
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  • Posted by $ DriveTrain 10 years ago
    Something I'd thought about on and around a recent surgery, is that given the fact that any surgery requiring general anesthesia is an opportunity to embed a device into your body in a way that only a second surgery could remove, or a similar opportunity even a fully-conscious acquisition of dental fillings provides (I had a couple a few years back that required casting, out-of-office manufacturing, then installation a week or so later,) and given the fact of what the voyeur-pervs at the NSA have been doing, extra-Constitutionally and with impunity, with the rest of our privacy...

    At risk of the accusation of paranoia, there is really nothing standing in the way of the current U.S. Administration's implanting devices into anyone it wants to monitor, without their knowledge or consent, right now.

    Under Obamacare, doubly so.

    The doctor in charge of your chart would certainly be an obstacle, but the government can bring an incredible amount of coercive pressure to bear, particularly on someone who's an upstanding professional with a well-established life, career and family.

    So yes, as JLC said, unless there's a catastrophic collapse of technology (virtually impossible,) the only choice we have in this matter is to reclaim the people intellectually, and end Gangster Government via an intellectual sea change.

    Given decades of the Republican "leadership" conceding to militant collectivists the education of generations of Americans, and given that educational corruption's metastasizing under Communist Core, the outlook looks pretty grim, at least for the better part of this coming century.

    On that note, some cathartic rock 'n' roll from Mr. Rundgren and the boys:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOymRNFrP...
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  • Posted by $ Mimi 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Maph, driving without a license is a minor moving violation. You get a ticket. I’m not perfect, but I don’t view getting a ticket as ‘getting in trouble.’ I certainly wouldn’t lose sleep over it. Most cops don’t give you a ticket for forgetting your license. Now if you forget the registration for the car, they are a bit more strict about that. Although, I have driven away without a ticket more often than not for both offensives.

    I shouldn’t be able to draw a line for what I consider the sanctity of my personal space? I believe this is an alienable right.
    To me a debit/credit card is like a hat. When I want do business I put it on my hat and wear it in public. But that is NOT who I am.
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  • Posted by Maphesdus 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    If you get implanted with an RFID chip, you can have electronic currency in your hand. Literally!

    I kid, I kid. But seriously, paper money can lose its value, too. Granted, that happens for the currency itself, rather than for an individual person, but it's still an inevitability for any currency not backed by gold.

    And like I said before, you can circumvent your bank account being frozen by utilizing alternative currencies under hidden accounts which exist outside the official banking system. Of course, this limits your purchasing power to retailers which accept the particular currency you happen to be using, but the ability to engage in commerce is still there, albeit severely limited.

    Plus you could also potentially open new bank accounts in the official "government sanctioned" system under a new name, and convert your alternative currencies back into the official currency, possibly by funneling them through a proxy corporation of some kind.

    No matter what kind of restrictions the government puts in place, the black market always finds a way around them.
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  • Posted by Maphesdus 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    The story you provided said some people in Sweden were pushing for the elimination of physical currency, not that Sweden had ever actually followed through on the idea.

    There was another story a little while ago about how some Socialist groups in Sweden tried to push for a guaranteed income for all Swedish citizens, but the measure was ultimately rejected by the public.

    Just because some group petitions an idea, that doesn't automatically mean it's going to be implemented.
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  • Posted by $ 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    I did give you that link to Sweden getting rid of the physical currency, no? Ecurrerncy saves the banks and national treasuries a lot of expense because its nothing. They will use security as the excuse, lessen crime (but they will overlook fraud, hackers, and massive thefts that go unnoticed until too late).
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  • Posted by Maphesdus 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Physical cash has it's advantages, sure. I'm not denying that. I just think it's kind of silly to assume the introduction of digital currency automatically means the end of physical currency. There's no reason we can't have both.
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  • Posted by $ 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    paper is in hand and does have value, for now. electronic currency is never in your hand and the spigot can be shut off at a moments notice without your consent or control.

    Please remember I'm a sci-fi author. I'm not technophobic in the least. I'm just extraordinarily distrustful of mankind and their ability to leave me alone to pursue my happiness (as I'm entitled to via the US Constitution).
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  • Posted by $ 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Nah, illegal aliens do this in the US all the time. Hell, they even buy houses and cars (both the default on, but banks give them the loans just the same).
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  • Posted by $ 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Again, there is still physical money as an alternative which is in your possession cannot be completely controlled or traced.
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  • Posted by Maphesdus 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    There's always risks regardless of which route you take. And honestly, without the gold standard, there's not much difference between paper currency and electronic currency. Both are literally nothing. But wait, that's the real issue here, isn't it? The lack of a gold standard. If that's all you're concerned about, that's certainly a legitimate issue. But you should state it directly, and not go off on some technophobic tangent about the supposed "evils" of technology.
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  • Posted by Maphesdus 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Well, I guess you COULD leave your wallet at home, but without a driver's license on you, you'd probably have to take the bus or ride your bike. I suppose you COULD drive without your license, but then you risk getting in trouble if you're caught speeding and get pulled over. If you don't have your driver's license on you because you insisted on going out into the world without any identification, how would you deal with that situation?
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  • Posted by Maphesdus 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    E-banking already exists. It's here right now. It's not an inherent part of RFID chips. If you have a bank account in the United States, then you're already using e-banking.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Not necessarily. Only if you want to claim them as a dependent. If you were independently wealthy you would not need to get a SSN for the child.
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  • Posted by $ Mimi 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    No, I disagree. I can always leave my wallet at home. I am not the sum worth of what I own or owe. I should be free to go about my business in public without a ’tag’ identifying me by the materials in my world.
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  • Posted by $ 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    What can you do when you are suddenly locked out of your 1's and 0's and have to survive while the bureaucracy works out the snafu in the e-commerce banking system? Or you say or do something and they lock you out of all your wealth without leaving their desk or making a phone call? Or some hacker or hacker group or COUNTRY knocks cripples the e-banking system and you have no way to buy food for your family?
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  • Posted by $ 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    History doesn't repeat itself? This nation is looking more and more like Hitler's Germany and tech seems to be feeding that beast.
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  • Posted by $ 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    When 1's and 0's are the currency and, as you say, virtually anyone can establish their own currency, there is still the matter of worth. 1's and 0's are nothing, literally - magnetic on and off, setup in combinations to make everything digital we have today. The only value ecurrency has is its baking by something or some entity that can guarantee its worth. And tell me who can back the ecurrency used by millions, hundreds of millions, or billions of people better than a corporation or government? I think what you are thing is a romanticized contemporary barter system which would be akin to the junkbonds of the 80s. There is no presence to 1's and 0's, no weight, you can't touch it, you can't hide it under your mattress or collect it in jars. What happens when the power brokers screw the pooch again or a hacker hit net now entirely virtual monetary system and all the 1's and 0's are erased, disappear, or you are locked out of what you think is your imaginary money? More freedom? I think far less.
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  • Posted by Maphesdus 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    The difference is merely one of physical location. One is in your wallet, the other is in your skin. Other than that, they're essentially the same.

    You say that there is possible cheating and control with a credit/debit card, and that's true, but there has always been possible cheating and control with any form of money for as long as money has existed. That's not something new.
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  • Posted by Maphesdus 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Totally agree. Technology has been a huge benefit to people, and has given citizens just as much power to fight back against government as it has given government to control them. Tyrants didn't suddenly arise with the discovery of electricity.

    In ancient times, tyrannical governments would often require people to get special tattoos before they were permitted to buy or sell in the public market. THAT'S what the Biblical "Mark of the Beast" refers to. People need to stop thinking these ancient texts predict the future. They don't. They're not about our day and age, they're about about the day and age in which they were written.
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