Republicans, Obama immigration chief clash over criminal immigrants

Posted by $ nickursis 8 years ago to Government
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This seems like a good example of complete dysfunction and a Kobyashi Maru of government. You cannot deport a criminal to a country that will not take them back, so you release them in the US. Why does this seem really strange?
SOURCE URL: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-crime-idUSKCN0XP2SL


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  • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years ago
    Obama's top immigration official wants to whine about the regime's precious illegals being a "political football" bandied about.
    Meanwhile robbed, raped and murdered peaceful American citizens are having the hell kicked out or them.
    Anything to swell the ranks of future jackass party voters.
    This is why Nancy Pelosi very happily called that illegal immigrant child invasion from Mexico to be "an opportunity."
    What the heck? Everybody has to die some day.
    We The People amounts to that "political football" if you want to think about it.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years ago
    Releasing unrepentant criminals of any sort is a type of madness known only to these current times. Part of it is driven by political correctness. Another part by executive wimpiness inasmuch as the regime fails to insist on other countries taking back their miscreants, and finally, the failure of the administration to see to it that the harshest of sentences are carried out. If a criminal realizes how little there is to lose by committing a crime, they are given an incentive to commit it.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 8 years ago
    The Gulch had an open borders debate several months ago, perhaps last summer. When a nation does not actively manage its borders and immigration policies, it lets in criminals that their own countries will not take back. This is an example of a policy that requires a sacrifice of its own citizens.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years ago
      I remember that, and there was some serious disagreement on where the limits and responsibility lay. It should never get to the point that government has screwed up, or just ignored the issue that the citizens do have to sacrifice. Both the parties have screwed the pooch on this, and the results have been citizens dying at the hands of people that never should have been here. So why the Republicrats even needed to get into this is a question, just defund INS as nonessential....
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      • Posted by $ jbrenner 8 years ago
        INS is actually one of the few legitimate roles of government, just not as it currently (not) implemented to favor non-citizens, politicians, the Democrat Party, and crony crapitalists over people like us.
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        • Posted by $ 8 years ago
          It is just another small aprt of the political machine. I am amazed at how many "officials" now seem to be positions where race or color and political reliability are the only job qualifiers. I know this has been one of the criteria in the past, but now it seems the only criteria, which has reduced government from just incompetent, to morally corrupt and totally ineffective.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 8 years ago
    chief, it is an effort to engender D votes by any means,
    however illegal or immoral or strange. . the drive for
    power knows no bounds. . it brings wealth with it. -- j
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  • Posted by Eyecu2 8 years ago
    Simple solution, place an RFID chip in non-violent offenders and if the offender is refused by their home country, drop them from a plane in their home country anyway. If they return kill them.

    If the offender is a violent offender and their country refuses them, kill them.

    I know that this seems extreme but rest assured that the very threat will greatly reduce the illegal immigration problem. We may have to actually step up and execute a few in order to make the threat believable, but if we do it publicly. Things will come around quickly.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 8 years ago
    I know what I would do - I'd simply state that if that country won't take you back and you don't get another country willing to take you within 30 days, that you will be executed. We don't have the time or money to coddle criminals, and maybe a strong message like that would actually dissuade some of these people from coming here in the first place.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years ago
      Not a bad idea, but it seems that would violate a few Objectivist ideas, like doing violence to oneself?
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      • Posted by $ blarman 8 years ago
        I'm not really seeing the "doing violence to one's self" in this situation so please clarify. If the law is amended to include this as part of the sentencing, I see it as cause-and-effect.

        A few things I take into consideration:
        First of all, these individuals are convicted criminals - not merely suspects. They have already forfeited many of their rights by committing crimes serious enough that mere incarceration isn't sufficient punishment.
        Second, these individuals aren't citizens of the United States. We have no responsibility to take care of them one way or the other.
        Third, these individuals abused our hospitality first by coming here illegally and secondly by committing serious crimes against our people. I'm really not in favor of allowing such a mentality to stand very long.
        Fourth, the nations these individuals come from don't respect the laws of our nation and are relying on us being willing to provide a subsistence living for citizens they don't want to take responsibility for as a citizen. I say we need to send them back a strong message that says "No Dumping!"
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        • Posted by $ 8 years ago
          blarman, I am not in any way contesting the idea, I was just raising the question I have seen discussed here (may be worth another thread) where some people seem to think that it is an Objectivist idea that there are no borders, there for there are no illegal aliens, and as such, they all have the same basic rights. I would think some would argue that the above option would not be an Objectivist decision. That said, my feeling is that violent criminals basically abrogate their rights when they attack the body politic, and the whole border thing is moot in that respect. A more aggressive policy of protecting people in this country certainly seems in order, when people will not abide by the rules of the country, for sure.
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          • Posted by $ blarman 8 years ago
            "my feeling is that violent criminals basically abrogate their rights when they attack the body politic"

            Precisely, and it is because they initiate force on another that they void their right not to have it done on them in return. It's like a ridiculous argument put forth in another article I read today claiming that criminals should have a right not to get shot when perpetrating a crime because it violates their rights (http://girlsjustwannahaveguns.com/lib....

            Now one might make the argument that such a punishment as I am suggesting is disparate to the crime committed. If so, the question then revolves around what punishment is sufficient and who should be charged with carrying out (ie paying for and administering) said punishment, so the argument returns us to the same place.
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            • Posted by $ 8 years ago
              I agree. I also have seen that horrible drift towards insanity with claims, and cases where they do the crap you mention above. It is not limited, there are several cases I have seen in various states with similar claims. The problem is they may win some when either insurance companies settle, or the people they sue cannot afford a lawyer.
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  • Posted by jimslag 8 years ago
    The biggest problem is the criminals and how they are treated while they are in prison. A prime example is the MS-13 that is prevalent in Guatemala and Honduras, it started with criminals sent back to those countries that became gang members while in prison. They were sent back and established the gangs there in Guatemala and Honduras and now those countries are dangerous and failing because of those gangs. Also a lot of the drug cartels in Mexico recruit people sent back from prison to be enforcers or henchmen or drug mules. Why do think they keep coming back? Is it for freedom, a better life or is it to commit more crime? Some of these crimes are not prosecuted back where they are from. A lot of crimes in places like Mexico, Guatemala and Honduras are not caught or prosecuted. This is because the police are undermanned and underfunded, so they become corrupt and don't even try to solve crimes, even if they are reported. So since they can get away with crimes back home, they think they can get away with it here. The administration and I qualify that with the fact that bureaucrats stay even when elections happen and sometimes they have their own agendas, help just like Ms. Saldana.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 8 years ago
    Germany seems to be taking everybody, but maybe they'd be happier in the middle east.
    Meanwhile the Mexican gov spends resources in the Dark Center "improving" their "image."
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    • Posted by $ 8 years ago
      The whole Mexican government thing is a quandry too..I am not sure if they really know who the real government is. More decay as responsibility shifts from individuals to organizations and groups for decisions. The actual people you can say own any issue is so watered down that no one is really ever identified.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years ago
        well our peaceful area has heated up down here south of the border in a light way. Second time in four years we've had actual shootings? How is that in your area?
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        • Posted by $ 8 years ago
          Actual shootings? We have them at least weekly where the person identified just happens to be "undocumented".
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          • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years ago
            I just call them criminal aliens. About Mexico's politics though. They have seven parties we have one. Just for starters. All seven of their can be found on the ballots. Only one of ours but with two candidates versus seven of theirs each with one candidate.
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          • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years ago
            That's cause our former Attorney General invited them north of the border. South of the border it's almost unheard of these days. We just had to educate some north siders to the sound of fireworks displays. No Virigina that's not gun fire that's the rockets red glare the bombs bursting in air giving proof through the night that our flag used to be there.
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