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The Romantic Manifesto and Music Preferences

Posted by $ SarahMontalbano 8 years, 1 month ago to Philosophy
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I was given The Romantic Manifesto for my birthday, and I was reading the essay "Art and Cognition." As a musician, the section on the nature of music was especially fascinating to me.

"Music is experienced as if it had the power to reach man's emotions directly (41)."

"Music communicates emotions, which one grasps, but does not actually feel; what one feels is a suggestion, a kind of distant, disassociated, depersonalized emotion- until and unless it unites with one's own sense of life (42)."

One of the ideas I was intrigued by most was her statement here:
"Until a conceptual vocabulary is discovered and defined, no objectively valid criterion of esthetic judgement is possible in the field of music (46, italics original)."

This leads me to a question and informal survey for all of you: what is your favorite piece of music (or musician), and what emotions do they inspire in you? How does this unite with your sense of life?

My favorite piece of classical music that I play routinely as a violinist is Bach's E-Major Concerto. It is triumphant, disciplined, and although it goes through some minor sections, it always returns to its wonderful, glorious theme. It makes me feel so alive.

I am expecting a wide range of answers here, since there is no "objective" criterion. (Feel free to discuss this, too - is there, isn't there, how would we define objective criterion, etc.)


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  • Posted by $ puzzlelady 8 years ago
    Thank you, Sarah, for introducing this wonderful topic. I'm a bit late as usual, but here are some of my favorites, a strange mix. My Hungarian father was a classical concert pianist, so my childhood was filled with hearing all that great music. Later I came across other genres but have a woeful void in pop, rock, and other contemporary styles whose names I don't even know. So here goes my eclectic range:
    Anything by Franz Liszt, especially his 2nd Hungarian Rhapsody. This may be the best version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FT36z...
    Anything by Rachmaninoff, especially his 3rd Piano Concerto (my father knew him personally)
    Anything by Beethoven, Chopin, Tchaikovsky
    Harlem Nocturne
    Puttin' on the Ritz (Taco Okerse version)
    Latin American dance music, esp. Tango
    Hans Zimmer and John Williams film themes
    Anything by Tim Minchin, Australian comedian/satirist/virtuoso pianist/songwriter/poet/atheist. See, for example, "Thank you, God", https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZeWP...

    * My latest discovery and instant addiction, the Meistersinger Patric Hale that no one here may ever have heard of. He has a classically trained voice and sang in Europe for 27 years, 12 genres in 7 languages, including tenor and baritone arias. His work is not on YouTube but you can hear samples of his legendary genius here:
    http://www.gamepuzzles.com/O18NessunD... -- "Nessun Dorma"
    http://www.gamepuzzles.com/EP01BlueSu... -- "Blue Suede Shoes" (Tribute to Elvis)
    http://www.gamepuzzles.com/BJ14WeDidn... -- "We Didn't Start the Fire"
    http://www.gamepuzzles.com/BW15Garden... -- "Garden at Gethsemane" from Jesus Christ Superstar
    and see his catalog of 400 tracks of songs here: http://www.gamepuzzles.com/caranza.pdf
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    For many viewers this song seems to be the main takeaway from the movie. Its official YouTube videos (with lyrics and without) have been seen over 1.2 billion times, or 7x the number of any of the film’s other songs. Hopefully it will encourage many of today’s and tomorrrow’s adults to become less concerned about the opinions of others, and more confident of their own values and their own worth.
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  • Posted by coaldigger 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree. I did not know anything about her when she was performing on the world stage and "discovered " her on CD's and YouTube. I had dismissed her because I didn't know anything about opera and because she was from America ( I didn't know she was Greek). When I first heard her I realized that she was not just great but special. Like I said above my ignorance knows no bounds outside of things that I dealt with day to day in business. Retirement and the internet is leading me to a broader education.
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 8 years, 1 month ago
    Here is a short list of mine:
    Fanfare for the Common Man - Aaron Copeland
    Ride of the Vallkyries-Wagner
    Ritual Fire Dance - DeFalla
    Slaughter on 10 Ave.- Richard Rogers
    Movies:
    Titanic
    Gladiator
    TV:
    Twin Peaks
    Rock:
    Beck's Bolero - Jeff Beck

    All these are emotionally charged for me. Beck's Bolero I can play over and over again.
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  • Posted by ewv 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    SarahMontalbano: "I took a jazz workshop a few years back and I loved it because there was, in fact, patterns I hadn't noticed before."

    There are patterns in all kinds of music, many more subtle than casual listeners are aware of. But finding patterns in music doesn't establish objective criteria for music appreciation, especially for the kind of sense of life Ayn Rand referred to. There is much more to jazz in particular and the kinds of emotions it evokes than patterns of notes with mechanical rhythms (though it can sound like that the way some play it).

    For the evolution of the sounds of jazz in its various aspects from its beginning in late 19th century America watch the Ken Burns documentary Jazz (which is far better than most of his work, which is increasingly politically propagandistic).

    The greatest of the pioneers was Louis Armstrong. Most people don't know much about the nature of jazz or its history, or about Louie in particular, who invented and established at the age of 30 the standard for the jazz solo for a century with his majestic West End Blues in 1928 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W232O... This is where it started. It was his "romantic manifesto". No one had done anything like it before -- and no one has since been able to duplicate what he played in that recording in terms of phrasing, rhythm and tonality projecting his sense of life. It isn't just patterns.

    To hear how much Louie added, compare that version of West End Blues with the original composed and recorded by his friend and colleague Joe "King" Oliver a few months before https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOVdw...

    Armstrong grew up in poverty on the streets of New Orleans, learned to play the cornet in a waif's home, and became through his own inventiveness, dedication and effort an international star making a music that had previously been undreamed of. Many who have heard of him know him mostly for his unfortunate showmanship 'mugging' later in his career, and not for his pioneering accomplishments in the 1920s and 30s. His career is a part of American history not to be missed, especially if you wan to understand the roots of American jazz.

    When he recorded West End Blues in 1928 electric recording was only a few years old and lacked the fidelity attained even in the next few years, let alone today, but his sound still shines through. A few years before, those players had been recording into big acoustic horns to transfer the sound pressure waves directly onto a record master with an even muddier sound than the earliest electrics -- with Louie in the back of the room to not overwhelm the balance. Not many years before that it was done with wax cylinders.

    This is the 1929 Armstrong recording of St. Louis Blues, supposedly the most recorded blues of all time, but not like this, even by W.C. Handy himself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j_Az... "Playing the blues" didn't mean "feeling blue".

    Here is an early video capturing both the sound and visual effect of Armstrong's drive in his playing and singing Dinah in Copenhagen in 1933 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhVdL... Watch at the end the way the audience is dressed, as if to emphasize how far back this goes in history.

    All of this is a part of American history not to be missed. The jazz and swing of the early 20th century which swept Europe and beyond in another American "shot heard 'round the world" displayed a sense of life that you don't often find in today's music (let alone in its bottom of the rap pit). There is still a lot of talent, and often more instrumental "technique" and theoretical musical knowledge, but not serving the same purpose.
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  • Posted by ewv 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Having a "plan" and "recall and intellect" do not make music Objectivist. They have nothing to do with the sense of life Ayn Rand referred to in The Romantic Manifesto.
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  • Posted by EAJewett 8 years, 1 month ago
    Aaron Copland's music, the Red Pony score in particular, evokes a limitless potential, with obstacles to make me value what I've accomplished.
    I will also agree with the Yes proponents here; there is an imaginative complexity, layering multiple song-worthy lines, wheels within wheels.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    I have many of the Adventures in good Music programs that PBS used to air. Let me check for Paganini as well.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 1 month ago
    shall I explain why the leap from Clasical and Baroque Classical, skipping Romantic Classical to the more Modern Classical of Finlandia?

    Our national anthemn as music just sits there and says ho hum.

    Sibelius's Finlandia makes you you want to jump up salute and brings tears to your eyes. That's what music is all about. Star Spangled Banner may have history but it doesn't gladden the heart and the soul. Finlandia does all of that and serves as a fitting funeral finale

    Ode to the Common Man sucks just from the title and is fitting for the new USSA insultingly socialist to the core. i can't imagine as a soldier dying for such cRap.
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  • Posted by philosophercat 8 years, 1 month ago
    Hi Sarah
    Bach's Goldberg Variations
    Mahler Symphony #1 It was my theme music when I DJ'd classical at U Michigan
    Rodrigo "Concierto Heroico" almost everything
    Beethoven SOnatas, Sym's # 3,5,9 Chistof von Dohnanyi conducting the Cleveland
    BUt I change, Love Rachmannoff Preludes
    Casals, Horowitz, Andras Schiff
    Texas Swing, Jazz, Bluegrass
    Music is the love and feeling of motion and emotion in the body expressed in dance and voice.
    Philosophers love music!
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  • Posted by mccannon01 8 years, 1 month ago
    Don't know where to start because I love listening to music and like something about almost type except rap. I have a varied collection and play whatever I feel like at the time. Most of my CD albums have been put into my iTunes library so I can roll a selection of them on/off my iPhone, which happens frequently. Right now the albums on the phone looks like this:
    JS Bach
    Mozart
    Wagner
    Beethoven
    Rolling Stones 40 licks
    Bob Seger Hits
    ZZ Top Hits
    Traveling Wilburys
    Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers
    Simple Minds: Glittering Prize
    Creedence Clearwater Revival (Chron 1)
    The Cars: Hits
    Roy Orbison: In Dreams: Hits
    Movie: Dirty Dancing
    Movie: Stand By Me
    Movie: The Commitments
    AC/DC Back In Black
    Fleetwood Mac: Rumours
    The Who: Best of
    Swing Collection (various artists, Benny Goodman et al)
    Blondie: Best
    Talking Heads: Stop Making Sense
    2nd South Carolina String Band (Civil War era music)
    78th Frazer Highlander Pipe Band (Being Scots Irish I love the pipes!)
    George Thorogood and the Destroyers: Baddest of
    Jimi Hendrix: The Essential vol 1
    Greatest Hits of the 60s Vol 2 (various artists)
    The Animals: Best of
    Iron Butterfly: In-A-Gadda-Da-Vita
    Three Dog Night: Best of
    U2: Joshua Tree
    Neil Diamond: Greatest
    War: Best of
    Elvis Presley: 30 #1 Hits
    Ricky Nelson: Greatest Hits

    Two months from now the list may be considerably different.
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  • Posted by cksawyer 8 years, 1 month ago
    Oh yes...not to forget Shine On You Crazy Diamond by Pink Floyd!
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  • Posted by cksawyer 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Please nit-pik away. I am always happy to have my knowledge corrected. I have been listening to all that music on ipod for so long now, I had forgotten... I am thinking of Gates of Delerium, also Awaken on Going for the One (right?) was a wonderful surprise for there later work.
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  • Posted by ohiocrossroads 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    I hate to nitpick, but the double concept-album by Yes that you are thinking about is Tales From Topographic Oceans. Relayer was a single album, but it did have the side-long concept piece "The Gates of Delirium". I think the single best piece from Yes is "Close to the Edge", and their best album Fragile. The opening four notes to "Yours is No Disgrace" is simple, elegant, instantly recognizable, and portends much clarity in the music to come.
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  • Posted by Flootus5 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    The list could be huge, but I would add the album Trick of the Tail by Genesis. Some very haunting stuff. Part of the classic rock era of the seventies.

    That was such a cool time to be in college. And then Disco came along and ruined it.

    Also, listen to some of the 70's Renaissance albums with Annie Haslam's singing. The most beautiful voice I've ever heard.
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  • Posted by rtpetrick 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, I agree. That is the genius. In the movie, Amadeus, Salieri had an opportunity to inspect Mozart's originals. Obviously overcome, Salieri stated "And music finished as no music is finished. Replace one note and there would be diminishment. Replace one phrase and the structure would fall." Here is the scene....
    http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=s...
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    I enjoy Mozart but as a musician I dread some of the more difficult passages. The nature of Mozart's works (especially the two concertos #5 in A and the #4 in D I'm working on currently) leaves no room for error; every note has to be exactly perfect. From an Objectivist standpoint, it's fantastic, but as a musician it can be torture to work on the same two bars for a week. :)
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
    Wow! I have a lot of listening to do tonight while finishing homework! Thank you everyone for your suggestions and keep adding them if you think of more!
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  • Posted by in-liberty 8 years, 1 month ago
    What a wonderful conversation! For me #1 is Rachmaninoff's Concerto #1, and then there is Samba Para Ti ... the romantic answer, whoa!
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