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I do not recall ever hearing or reading of this piece of American history.

Posted by lrbeggs 10 years ago to Government
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A little history:


This is almost unbelievable. I had never heard of this.

Rare Film From 1932. Can It Happen Again?

FANTASTIC NEWS VIDEO: 1932 - young Patton, young Eisenhower, young MacArthur, Pres.Hoover, Walter Winchell reporting. I don't recall this from any history classes.



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  • Posted by 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Our soldiers, like most soldiers, like to kill people and break things without being held personally accountable. The target is not as relevant to such a mindset as avoiding individual responsibility for their primal (otherwise criminal?) acts.
    I find this kind of blanket statement illogical and unreasonable. My personal experience is exactly the opposite. There is no way to discern or prove that most soldiers like to kill.
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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    I have read bout this, but the info was brief and whitewashed. The video is extraordinary. Ignoble. Excellent connection of the dots, Susanne. Hoover comes out looking like Nero too...
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 10 years ago
    I vaguely remember reading about the military bonus march but I can't remember where I read it. I've never seen this footage before though. Thanks for posting it. Wow. "The President's orders must be obeyed." gag.
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  • Posted by Bobhummel 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Dittos Susanne! FDRs fingerprints were all over this fiasco. And today watch BHO issue executive orders in rapid succession after railing against GWB 8 years ago. Demonize, polarize, isolate and destroy the opposition. The Alinski model in Rules for Radicals for social activism.
    Cheers
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  • Posted by $ Susanne 10 years ago
    They keep the travesty suffered by the Bonus Army of WW1 well hidden... to think those who so willingly (perhaps joyfully) violated Posse Comitatus against their own "brothers in arms" were considered later our heroes, one even elected (and reelected) president 20 years later...

    And all the while, Congress snuck out the back door, because they would rather let those who fought, suffered and died in the lurch than do the right thing.

    Now, let me give you this... if you like houses of cards... It was the inaction of Congress that caused Hoover to so forcefully enable this fiasco to grow. Cause and Effect. They snuck out, dumping it on HH's lap. There was a person who was in Congress at the time (and his first name wasn't "Teddy") with plans for the white house. What a better way than to create a situation chucking the then CiC out on his ear over this mess (OK, many messes... Google "Hooverville" for example...) .. and then bringing his New Deal to bear, so people would remember his good... and forget his creation of the riots of '32...

    Ahhh... the joys of Socialism. How many folk realize every major world power was run or directed by a socialist and held on to power as long as possible? Hmmm...
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  • Posted by NealS 10 years ago
    Being a Vietnam veteran I can attest to a major portion of this country acting similarly towards us, after they sent us over to do a job for them then looked down on us when we returned. My biggest fear is we continue to do similar kinds of injustices today to our newest veterans. What would America be if we had no one willing to serve? But then again I guess that's another topic.
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  • Posted by wiggys 10 years ago
    I have seen this video before and not that long ago.
    the difference between then and now is a very simple fact of life there are over 100 million armed citizens now. how many uniformed will willingly attack other citizens is a good question. fema once asked the Marine at Pendleton if the would and to a man the answer was NO. whether that will be the case now is a question.. I like to think the answer is no, but I am more realistic and know there are some who are deranged and won't care who the shoot. I am told about 150 secret service or some such number are already in LV. who knows what will happen?
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  • Posted by Bobhummel 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    I am going to raise the BS flag on Freedomforall. This not taught in the military. You take an oath to support an defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. The fact that there are politically ambitious individuals in senior positions in the military should not be too surprising, but they can't make me pull the trigger on our own citizens.
    The Posse Comitatus act passed in the late 70's eliminates the Legal use of force by the U S military inside our own boarders. I'm not a lawyer, just an old fighter pilot. That was one of the delays in ordering the shoot down of remaining hijacked planes on 9/11.
    See Lt. Heather “Lucky” Penney
    www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/.../gIQ...
    Cheers
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  • Posted by Bobhummel 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    I did too. But Mr. Newman was a unique man having survived the Bataan Death March, he had on more grounded view on totalitarian military actions.
    Cheers
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  • Posted by Bobhummel 10 years ago
    There is actually a very good historical fiction movie based on this event done by HBO back in 2001. "In Pursuit of Honor" with Don Johnson, Rod Steiger , Gabrielle Anwar. It has 4 1/2 stars. I gave it 5!
    It starts with this event in our American history and shows men in pursuit of honor protecting the horses of the American Calvary as MacArthur moved to a mechanized force. I don't know if the journey the Canada really happened, but many of the events portrayed in the film did.
    Certainly not one of the highlights of our treatment of our soldiers - those with 2 legs and those with 4.
    Cheers
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  • Posted by $ jlc 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree, Robbie. I have known many military folks who were much better at doing what they thought was right than they were at blindly following orders. If they received an order that risked their own death, they would follow it (unless they thought it was really really stupid and had a better idea about how to accomplish the objective), but if they received an order to egregiously take the lives of someone they held as innocent, they would have never done it. I think that these people would have drawn a big line at attacking fellow citizens.

    Don't they teach this in military ethics classes?

    Tactically, the bonus vets should have given way to the troops without resistance, and then come back again afterwards.

    Jan
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  • Posted by freedomforall 10 years ago
    The ultimate blame for this goes on the masters in the banking cartel who precipitated the depression using their power under the federal reserve act, and who were lenders to ALL warring parties in WW1. They crreated those powers for themselves by bribing and manipulated con-gress.
    They caused that economic collapse and profited from the demise of most of their competitors and siezed the properties of their customers. They did all this by creating money that they did not have, lending it in the billions without having any stake of their own at risk.
    EXACTLY AS THE BANKSTERS ARE DOING TODAY TO ALL OF US.
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  • Posted by Kittyhawk 10 years ago
    I had not seen this video before, or heard about this incident in school or from the media -- not surprising, since both are controlled by the same power elite that perpetrated this atrocity. I feel so shocked and sad seeing it, and yet, it's just par for the course. Our government has been corrupt and not for the good of the people for a long, long time. What government ever has truly served the people?
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  • Posted by $ Susanne 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.

    And those who erase history are driven to repeat it.

    Growing up, our neighbor was a veteran of WW1. It was not only a terrible war (no honor in using an inescapable gas to permanently incapacitate your enemy) it literally changed the course of the planet. What if Ferdinand and Sophie had never been assassinated? What if the "great war" never happened? (What a premise for an alternate history novel...)... I think of them, those boys (but in my childhood, old men) who fought over there almost 100 years ago, and wonder how their lives, and the world around them, would have been different had they not had to go "over there"...
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  • Posted by Esceptico 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    My understanding comes from personally talking with many military members; reading such books as "Blackhawk Down" (I also spoke directly with the author) in which the author explicitly states he "was seeking action" --- meaning to kill; and so on. They all "dress" their statements in flowery words until you press them as to what they mean---and then it comes out.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Where do you get your understanding of the mind of the military member? You obviously have never been in the military or known anyone close to you who has been in the military. You couldn't be more wrong about their mindset. Yes, there are some psychos, but the armed forces do a pretty good job of screening those out, but some will always get through as no screening process is 100%.
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  • Posted by mckenziecalhoun 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Thank you for seeing us, for remembering us.
    And we're just those sharing the information with our students.

    Keep posting this film.
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  • Posted by Boborobdos 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    In school I was taught about the Whisky Rebellion. Has that been forgotten?

    Such has been from the very beginning of our nation.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years ago
    I seem to remember this being posted (I think here) before. Yes, it's an interesting part of history that is never taught. Totalitarianism did (and does) exist in the US.
    And the US Army has been used against American citizens on US soil (and not merely the Civil War).
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    I learned about it in school.
    In point of fact, I would think it would be a key component of the Common Core... anything to tarnish America's image.

    I'm trying to follow any astonishment at this use of "military force" against a nation's own citizens taking place just 70 years after the nation used military force against those whom it claimed were still its own citizens, in the process killing 600,000 of them.
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