SHOCKING: Colorado Cancels Caucus, Gives All 34 Delegates To This Candidate

Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years ago to Politics
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And– Cruz capitalizing on delegate and election laws is no different than Trump using bankruptcy laws.

Notice...Trump never showed, he never spoke to delegates...Cruz did...

Seems to me that Cruz did the rationally self-interested thing and it was with in the law or rules Colorado made back in August.
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  • Posted by scojohnson 8 years ago
    I'm probably one of the few people that in this election cycle, I wouldn't really mind someone else jumping in the ring (like Paul Ryan). Nonetheless I'll back the nominee.

    I don't fault Cruz for the strategy. I'm not a fan of Cruz, but it's just good strategy. To be honest, he has better-understood how the game is won than Trump until now. We don't live in a democracy, we are in a Constitutional Republic, we elect delegates/electors/representatives that ultimately vote on our laws or our candidates or our elections. Understanding that there is a strategy to 'who' those delegates are, is a part of winning an American election.

    Trump got shellacked, he went and hired better help. He's NEEDED better help for quite a while, as some of his comments seem like he grew up on the dark side of the moon. He really didn't correct himself at potentially using nukes in the Middle East.. Where? Against Syria, 20 miles from our NATO ally Turkey? In Gaza, which is all of 5 miles wide and would wipe out Israel? And the idiocy of going on Chris Matthews in the first place and not think that it would go badly was just that (idiocy). CM worked for Tip O'Neill, he's not going to suddenly embrace the Republican cause.

    The latest Trump 'oops' is his kids just realized that as registered independents (or democrats) they can't vote for their dad in New York.

    I don't think he's a bad guy, or a bad candidate, but his campaign-on-the-cheap approach is starting to show where the wheels are coming off the wagon. He's not getting the show-prep he should, he's not getting the advisory services from the adults in the room that he should, Congress is not going to let him undo 50 years of US foreign policy because he feels like it, so that smack-down would happen very instantly in the form of impeachment. If he doesn't open up the checkbook and open his mind up to the fact that he's a great land developer, but others are great political advisors, and respect their knowledge and help, he has probably gone as far as he will.

    The US system has circuit-breakers in it for these reasons. The primaries are not something subscribed by law, they are a focus group for the political parties. The party can nominate whoever it wants to, he seems to finally be understanding that, but may be too late.
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  • Posted by MinorLiberator 8 years ago
    Well, I agree no matter what the "rules". If Trump and Kasich don't even go to the state, why are they whining now?

    Slightly different topic, but one news source (can't remember the link, can't assure accuracy) that Trump has very much benefited from the "winner-take-all" rules of the GOP in some States. Simple arithmetic, it seems to me. Without which, he wouldn't have nearly the delegates he has, and certainly makes Colorado's 34 delegates not even worth talking about. Kind of puts perspective on Trump's whining about "the process".
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  • Posted by freedomforall 8 years ago
    I have probably written it a hundred times here, the GOP will only nominate a candidate that the insiders control. The voters have not had a role in selecting the candidate for president in decades. (Not that the other statist party is any better. Voters who want a voice should be voting Libertarian in the tens of millions.)
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  • Posted by bsmith51 8 years ago
    The outrage is due to perception, not reality. The reality is that Colorado's Republican Party, as every state's party does, established its own rules (Colorado's published last August) for how they would apportion delegates. Colorado's rules were that those who attended precinct caucuses would decide, and everyone was invited to attend those. Nobody was disenfranchised. (In Washington state, we have precinct caucuses that select delegates to county caucuses that select delegates to state, then to national conventions).
    Trump has chosen to be a victim and score points from his own campaign not doing its homework.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 8 years ago
    The true origins of the Party system start with the Twelfth Amendment. It did two major things which had repercussions I don't think they really understood at the time:

    A. It made the Electoral College voters who select the President beholden to the public rather than the State Executive Branches.
    B. It created the two-party system we have today by creating the "ticket system" of President and Vice-President being from the same party, rather than having the Vice President be the second-highest vote getter among the Presidential candidates. (As a corollary, it also made a Presidential Impeachment/Conviction more pointless as power would not change hands politically.)

    Fast forward a few more decades and we have the Seventeenth Amendment, where the Senators (another portion of Government who was supposed to represent the States - not the People) moved to popular election and you have the shift of power to mob rule where it has effectively been ever since. You are seeing the last vestiges of the Constitution with our current President, as he has accelerated the shift of power away from the Legislative Branch toward the Executive. We also saw where the President attempted to install judges and such during recess periods - even when the Legislature wasn't in recess - in an attempt to stack the courts in favor of the Executive.


    Now regarding Colorado, the Establishment Republicans changed the rules for their Primaries last year in response to Santorum's victory over Romney a few years back. They wanted to make it harder for non-insiders to be able to rally the electors to their sides. What they never imagined was a Republican race where neither of the primary candidates was in insider! But Cruz' campaign spent the time courting the electors because that was how Colorado chose to conduct its primary this year, while Trump ignored the rules and just counted on a popular victory.

    If Trump wants to get upset about Colorado, he has only himself to blame at this point. The rules were set before the Primary season kicked off. Are they "fair" rules? Insofar as every State gets to create their own rules, yes. Insofar as the Republican Electors are the ones who select the Republican nominee, yes. The problem is that Trump voters assumed that the Primaries are a popularity contest and they are not! Primaries are all about courting Electors from that particular political party. Some States Party rules designate that the popular vote coincides with the Party's electoral votes. Some States have open primaries meaning that one can vote for any single candidate of any party - much like the General Election. Some States have closed primaries meaning that one can only vote for a candidate from one's registered political party. Some States don't even force the Electors to abide by the popular vote at all (Pennsylvania)!

    The point is that no individual State is exactly like any other, and any serious candidate is going to take a look at the rules of that individual State to see about qualification and voting. What should be noted among Trump's supporters is that he's already lost Washington State as well for the same reason: Trump's campaign didn't know the rules.

    Trump needs to stop whining about whether or not it's "fair". It's completely fair in that everyone had the chance up front to know the rules and the rules applied to everyone. Trump just doesn't like the rules because they didn't favor him in this race. So he can either whine about it, or fix his campaign. It's unlikely that we will avoid a brokered convention at this point. What Trump needs to do is make sure that when it goes to convention his electoral votes don't change, or he's going to lose out there as well to a much more organized campaign - that of Ted Cruz.

    Now there is the outside chance that the Republican Party will attempt to hijack the Convention in order to put in their own person (Kasich has admitted betting on just such a thing). If they do that and pick someone other than Cruz or Trump, we will be watching the implosion of the Republican Party.
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  • Posted by IamTheBeav 8 years ago
    @ Olduglycarl - Thank you for making note of the way Trump has used the bankruptcy laws. I hadn't thought of that, and it's a brilliant point to bring up to any of the crybaby Trump supporters out there. He'll use his high dollar lawyers to bend any rule in the bankruptcy chapter laws to cheat investors and vendors out of hundreds of millions of dollars, but he can't be bothered to read the Colorado GOP's state rules for apportioning delegates when he is trying to run for president.

    Another example of Trump's camp not bothering with the rules for anyone who is not aware, Trump's own kids won't be able to vote for him in the New York primaries, because they didn't read the rules either that have been in place for months. They are A) not Republicans and B) not typically voters anyway, yet somehow, we're supposed to believe that this 70 year old candidate who has proudly bragged about how he has personally bought and sold politicians is going to clean up D.C. He has proudly proclaimed himself a pro-choicer for 69 years, yet somehow now, he's staunchly pro-life. He's said hundreds of times in the past that the government should do this and do that to fix everything in the world, and now he's supposed to be a Constitutionally minded fiscal conservative? Really? If anything, he says to turn the reins over to him, and suddenly things will be great when he has his beak in the treasury's coffers to piss away our tax dollars by the hundreds of billions. The point is that Donald Trump is not a Republican, and he never has been. I could just as easily slap a Mercedes logo on a 1977 AMC Pacer, but that doesn't make it so. The point is that Trump and his whole family are neither fiscally conservative or socially conservative as you'd expect (I do realize how untrue that expectation really is) of a GOP candidate for president. If anything, he's just another lying crybaby New Yorker who believes in big government, and we already have one of those running in the Democrat Party.

    If Donald Trump who routinely brags about hiring only the very best, smartest people can't be bothered to even read the rules, then why she we listen when he throws yet another temper tantrum when he gets his butt kicked. My understanding is that anybody (that's ANYBODY for all you moronic Trump supporters out there) who wanted to participate in the Colorado caucuses was welcome to participate. All they had to do was to show up and make their voices heard. Cruz got the word out to his supporters. Trump did not. Cruz won and Trump lost, fair and square. Nobody was railroaded, nobody got cheated, nobody used (in Trump's own words) Gestapo tactics. The rules for Colorado were made plain as day for all to see all the way back to August of last year, and Trump's camp didn't bother to even read them.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years ago
      Correct and your welcome.

      Another thing trump hasn't read is the Constitution. We are in this mess because we were steered away form it and the kakistocracy didn't obey the rule of law as it is defined specifically for government.

      Tell everyone you know to go to hillsdalecollege.com and listen to all the free lectures on the Constitution...it'll bring tears to their eyes.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 8 years ago
    The GOP is finished. It's over for these checkpants, blueblood, beltway, $16/plate for our troops in Afghanistan, country club, mush butt, statist losers. It's sad, because there really will be no opposition to Hillary (as the Dems are going to do the same thing to Bernie).
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years ago
      The GOP and the Democrats as faithful members of the single party system will do what they are told to do. Nothing new there the only real question is the veracity of people like Soros and the standard establishment. Who really owns who? Is the current aristocracy controlling the SecProgs or vice versa? Either way it's all a one party system and using those old fashioned labels is silly.
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    • Posted by gsaunder 8 years ago
      Agreed. The only good to come out of the Colorado situation is that it provides a wake-up call to the shenanigans that the GOP establishment is ready to employ. And for you Cruzers: beware, you're next on their list.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years ago
    In this case, Trump is full of pre-digested frijoles. Trump would have lost Colorado with the way he neglected that state no matter what their election of delegates system was.
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    • Posted by $ Abaco 8 years ago
      But, you're not implying that makes it ok, right? At least...it doesn't seem right to me. It appears as though the GOP just locked Trump out. And, I'm not only not a Trump supporter - I quit voting. I'm just a casual observer. And...what a show!
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      • Posted by Herb7734 8 years ago
        When you play a game, enter a race, or enter an arena, commons sense tells you to read the rules first. Cruz and his people did. Trump did not, hence everyone predicted a loss for Trump. Apparently even Trump believed it because he made hardly any campaign efforts there. You can't complain if you don't follow the rules and then fail to enter the arena. You can't that is, unless you're Trump.
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        • Posted by $ Abaco 8 years ago
          I understand that at least one delegate who was openly pro-Trump was simply not allowed in. And, the rules you are referring to were put in place after it was known that Trump was entering the race. I don't know, Herb, it stinks to me. They recently changed the rules that had been around for a long time. It's all for nothing because Trump will never get the nomination no matter how many delegates he gets. I think the GOP is kaput.
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          • Posted by JohnConnor352 8 years ago
            The rules for nominating a GOP candidate change every single election cycle. They changed to make more states winner take all if they were caucuses after a certain date, and so the Colorado GOP cancelled the caucus and had a convention. Each delegate chose the candidate they themselves wanted. This happened in AUGUST. It was 7 months ago. The Donald had not seemed like a viable candidate then, and if you read local reporting on the change back in August, it was not even speculated that Trump was the reason. It was supposed to be to get the nomination process over more quickly to avoid the fiasco the Dens went through with Hilary and Obama... Or the bickering amongst the states in the GOP primary about who gets to go first. Remember the drama the last two primary cycles? That is why such rules were changed. And those rules were changes to previous changes and to previous changes, etc.

            Of course the GOP is dead. It's its own fault for not having a consistent philosophy. It's self-destructing. The Dems can't be far behind.
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          • Posted by Herb7734 8 years ago
            abaco:
            If that's true, I agree. However, I have heard over and over that the rules have been in place for 100 years, etc. etc. The GOP and the Dems have been Kaput for years, in my view. The Dems have turned into the Socialist Party and the GOP has turned into the Democrat Party. History may well make the election of '16 the comedy of the century, or the great tragedy of the American election system.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years ago
    Another comment on Colorado. We have a Colorado licensed pickup truck in our area that insists on parking on the sidewalk completely blocking it side to side. Not uncommon but this one is a gringo not a local. One has to walk into the traffic lane, normal, but also the bus loading lane if one is present. I got disgusted with the Ugly American act glared at the guy who leaves it there for hours at a time and said, "Must be the pot. or just another tourist. He took offense at the second term. I didn't care. But I realized how many show up and think they own the country. It's so common place that when two police cars were parked at each end of the affected area he still parked on the sidewalk and got upset when his truck was towed. The locals finally got tired of it and complained as their role is block half the sidewalk....

    That aside this whole discussion really shows what a light weight Trump is...He may not be a red herring but he's certainly with the opposition.
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  • Posted by LarryHeart 8 years ago
    No matter who is elected - The Political parties control the government. They pick the candidates, and if someone.who isn't a made man of the political mafia sneaks in like Ron Paul or Trump, they use the law, which they control, to disenfranchise them by every little immoral trick in the book. Just saying that Cruz capitalized on election law ignores who makes the law. Corrupt people make corrupt laws. Yes it is unfair but not to the ones who believe the ends justify the means.

    Trump isn't stupid. He is completely honest and had trouble winding through the rat maze of corruption. Cruz and the rest of the lying rats already know how to steal the cheese.

    The party system was known to be what corrupts a government and should have been banned in the Constitution not just warned against by George Washington and James Madison.

    The only way to restore a government of the people not a government of 2 parties OVER the people is this: http://www.TheSocietyProject.org

    How many times I have mentioned this source! Has anyone bothered to read through the material there? Is this just a forum to complain and commiserate? what good does that do if it doesn't lead to solutions and action? Do any of you want to be John Galt and do something about the corrupt system? Then read the above and educate others.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years ago
      I don't agree about your assessment about Cruz or some of the other candidates but I do yearn for a non political process.
      It should be about the Candidates, America, despite what progressives will say, does not accept any other ideology other than what the Constitution provides. We've been propagandized into thinking America is open to the flavor of the day; not marxism, communism, progressivism, socialism, social justus or any other perversion.
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      • Posted by LarryHeart 8 years ago
        The USA was never a Democracy (majority of the people rule) it was a Republic. Not too long after parties formed in Jefferson's Presidency. (That's right. The Republic that Franklin said the founders made... if we could keep it ...was lost just a few decades later) and consolidated power the USA became a Constitutional Monarchy (only one or two voices ruled). Political parties span the 3 branches of government so there is no separation of power. Soon party hacks on the supreme courts broke the Constitution and changed the government to a Socialist one. SO today, to be accurate, the USA is a Socialist Monarchy. Or to be more accurate it is a Federal Socialist Central government Monarchy with neither States nor the people having a voice in the government the people created by consent.
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        • Posted by $ blarman 8 years ago
          It started with the Twelfth Amendment - a result of the back-and-forth for President between Adams and Jefferson, but which really ensconced the two-party system we have now.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years ago
    Wow they are acting like a real party all independent and everything. Party primaries are nobody's business except party members. The GOP has a well deserved reputation of not only supporting government over people, not only of supporting left wing fascist socialism but of being the lapdogs of the left. Nice to see one state that get's it.
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    • Posted by mspalding 8 years ago
      It'd be great if the parties paid for their own primaries rather than having taxpayers foot the bill. And then there is the $60 million that the taxpayers 'contribute' to their national conventions. The Libertarians don't take any of that money.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years ago
        probably don't contribute either since it's not tax deductible anymore. There's no objective reason to support the government party and it's primary's there business not ours. Since we have no representation and no 'skin' in the game why buy tickets?
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    • Posted by $ 8 years ago
      No they are not "noted" for that but the last 40 years or so the progressive have invaded the party...incidentally...that was predicted in 1958 in the "Naked Communist"...our first hint was with Nixon and aside from Regan it got worse from there...
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years ago
        Not noted for being left wing puppets in some circles but it's rather apparent to the general population and so is the candidate list which backfired on them this time and so is the single party system of government they are running.
        I don't believe they are noted for much else.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years ago
    Cruz is a sneaky bastard. I would NEVER vote for him, EVER. I am tired of even listening to him prattling on and preaching. Foreign governments would laugh at him, as they do Obama. Our only hope is a terribly divided government so nothing happens.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years ago
      Where the heck do you get that? He's following the laws...if one doesn't, no matter what they are then the one who does, the one that is informed about all these different perversions will get the nomination...this is not a pretty game and yes, we all wish it was more honest but how is an honest man going to win unless he engages the current paradigm?
      And...Yes, Cruz is an honest man...I have watch him, Mike lee, Rand and Ron Paul for years now.

      We're at the point where we HAVE TO play THEIR game not the game we'd prefer to play.
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        Posted by term2 8 years ago
        Cruz is not honest. He was sneaky in saying Carson was dropping out in order to get people to switch allegiance to him. He was sneaky in knowing all along and not disavowing dragging Trumps wife into it (and then complaining that Trump responded in kind). He bible thumps and then preaches to us. I dont like him and never did, even before he started IN on Trump. I want to know what the candidates can do to run the country, not how they can trash the other candidates.

        My problem with Colorado is with the system really. To hell with the voters- its the party that counts. Well, I am so DONE with all this establishment stuff. Its time to throw the bastards out and get rid of this back room stuff. One man, One vote- who needs delegates and all the back door party stuff in this day and age. The system is corrupt.
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        • Posted by $ 8 years ago
          He didn't say it, without permission his campain manager did...he was eventually fired...

          I do agree the the Colorado system is strange and seems underhanded...but aside from the nicest thing they could of done...is it really that bad? Democracy is a bad thing and leads a country into socialism...so does the Colorado changes save us from ourselves or does it perpetuate the paradigm?
          You really have to look at this...if trump read the rules, he too would have engaged that system and maybe he would have gotten a few votes...that's the way I see it...just trying to be objective here.
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          • Posted by term2 8 years ago
            really, the whole election system with the two parties and their primaries, the outrageous campaign costs and contributors, and the electoral
            college is just a terrible waste of time. Just let each person vote for a good administrator- not a person who hands out political favors in exchange for "contributions".
            Cruz is just another career politician who will do whatever it takes to get into that office and then pay off his contributors with favors that WE have to fund.
            What I like about Trump, and what is the source of the hatred for him, is that he is ANTI-establishment. Its time to shake things up as the current system is corrupt and hasnt been working.
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