Jeb Bush to meet with Cruz, Rubio and Kasich

Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 1 month ago to Politics
127 comments | Share | Flag

Hmmm.. can we say "sore losers". Jebby boy just cannot handle he is the anointed one, and that hoodlum Trump took it from him illegally....
SOURCE URL: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2016/03/09/Jeb-Bush-plans-to-meet-with-Cruz-Rubio-Kasich-in-Florida-possibly-to-deny-Trump/8091457562111/?spt=mps&or=2&sn=tn_int


Add Comment

FORMATTING HELP

All Comments Hide marked as read Mark all as read

  • Posted by wiggys 8 years, 1 month ago
    an interesting article on what our choicews are!

    Which presidential candidate will do the least harm?
    BY DONALD J. BOUDREAUX | Tuesday, March 8, 2016, 9:00 p.m.
    Email Newsletters
    Sign up for one of our email newsletters.

    The November election will almost surely feature an unprecedentedly bad choice: Hillary Clinton vs. Donald Trump. A calculating, power-mad machine politician with a history of duplicity and rule-breaking versus an economically ignorant and boorish rabble-rousing American version of Mussolini and Peron. This “choice” is akin to one between being killed by garroting or by being burned at the stake.

    The only “benefit” of a Clinton victory is that it means a Trump defeat. Ditto for a Trump victory.

    At this moment — my assessment might change tomorrow — I have a slight preference for a Trump victory. The reason is that the same mainstream media that would fawn idiotically over a Clinton administration would be appropriately merciless on a Trump administration. President Trump would not receive, because he does not deserve, any benefit of the doubt. President Clinton would receive, even though she does not deserve, every benefit of the doubt. This almost-certain difference in press treatment would tightly check the policies of President Trump while they would fuel those of President Clinton.

    Also, President Trump might inadvertently scrub off of the presidency the aura of faux majesty that now encrusts it. The president is a human being — a naked and imperfect ape, like the rest of us. Yet he's treated, because of his high office, as if he is uniquely wonderful and valuable to Americans. He's not. Finally, unlike Trump, Clinton has a political track record. It's ugly. Of course, like the typical politician, Clinton changes her stated opinions to win votes, so we know that she's unprincipled. But to the extent that we can infer from her record any of her “beliefs,” it's clear that she has no understanding of economics. And her instincts are those of a central planner — a harsh nanny, a pitiless schoolmarm, an officious elite with no trust in ordinary people to live their lives as they choose rather than as she and her fellow intellectual elites suppose ordinary people should live their lives.

    On foreign policy, she's not only hawkish, but also — as her actions as secretary of State prove — an unusually reckless hawk.

    No one who is as obsessed as Clinton obviously is with gaining power should be trusted with power. Nothing good will come of a Clinton presidency; it will be calamitous, at home and abroad.

    But I do understand those who fear Trump more than they fear Clinton. Trump's lack of a political track record makes a President Trump even less predictable than a President Clinton. And while being less predictable means, in the abstract, that the policies pursued by Trump might turn out to be surprisingly better than those pursued by Clinton, in practice such an outcome is unlikely.

    Nearly everything spouted from Trump's loud mouth should frighten the bejesus out of sane adults. Build a border wall? “Protect” ourselves from low-priced goods from China? “Rough up” protesters at political rallies? Really? These are the rantings of a thug, not the proposals of a civilized liberty-loving man.

    One thing now seems likely: Come noon on Jan. 20, 2017, presidential power will be held by someone unprecedentedly untrustworthy to hold it.

    Donald J. Boudreaux is a professor of economics and Getchell Chair at George Mason University in Fairfax, Va. His column appears twice monthly.

    Subscribe today! Click here for our subscription offers.
    Reply | Mark as read | Best of... | Permalink  
    • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
      wiggys, I am in agreement with a lot of your position here, however, I would also say (as has been argued here) that it is one of those times when the system has broken and all we get are the pieces. It may bode bad for us as a whole, but it is almost just a selection of lesser of 2 evils, which no democracy should ever have to make. That may be why some of us question whether we are even in a democracy anymore, or if democracy just means becoming a state of manipulated fools who know no better than what is predigested and delivered to them by the elite.
      Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
      • Posted by Dobrien 8 years, 1 month ago
        Nick we are not and have never been a democracy. We are a constitutional democratic republic the difference is significant.A democracy is majority rules the people vote for laws and regulations no checks and balances. Our government was designed for the separation of powers and to uphold the constitution with elected officials to represent their constituency not for majority rules.The federal body was ment to facilitate fair trade between states and to protect us from foreign aggression. The local government was to have most of the power.
        Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
        • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 1 month ago
          One point to note however, we were a Federal Republic...back when only landowners were allowed to vote, and it didn't matter man, women, the color of your skin...so long as you were invested in the country.
          Our forefathers Hated, yes they had physical animosity toward, demonocracy! which is and has certainly turned out to be...Mob Rule, ruled by those that know no rules, ruled by those that can't rule themselves and ruled by those that know squat beyond the temptations of their brain at ANY given moment in time.
          Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
          • Posted by Dobrien 8 years, 1 month ago
            I appreciate the education regarding historical voting requirements.
            A perfect description of many recent mob scenes
            In the last couple of years across the country.
            Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
        • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
          Please then, explain why it says The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." I do agree on what the feds are for, and the majority rule position was almost intentionally built in, if not described. That is probably part of the problem, while a politician is supposed to represent their constituents, our system intentional leaves out those who are not favored by party machine behind him, thus disenfranchising someone all the time. The current structure has only exacerbated it.
          Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
      • Posted by wiggys 8 years, 1 month ago
        all I can say is anyone but hillary is my basic position. we are in this pickle because our government if you can call it ours has done its best to screw up the country.
        Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
        • Posted by Dobrien 8 years, 1 month ago
          I used to not like H. Clinton 1st impression type of thing.
          Then I observed her and I liked her less.
          At the same time the media fell in love with her.
          Then I observed her vilify the female victims of her
          Husband.
          At that the media gave the impression that she was a strong woman to be admired.
          I felt she was an enabler.
          All of this is only the 1st inning of her history.
          I used to not like her.
          I still don't.
          Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 1 month ago
    Stay away from John E. Bush, otherwise known as Jeb.
    This only shows that the Republicans can be endlessly stupid. They are becoming experts in party division leading to loss.Their best procedure would be to announce a party unity, say something patriotic, and finish with "Let the best man win." If anything happens at the convention that shows the candidate got there through some sort of inside deal, then Hello Hillary and good bye Republican party.
    Reply | Mark as read | Best of... | Permalink  
    • Comment hidden by post owner or admin, or due to low comment or member score. View Comment
    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 1 month ago
      you persist in the delusion they are a separate party. That RINO division belongs, seats, votes, and caving ability to the left pure, simple, and factual. They are the right wing of the left. Rubio has joined them openly Trump is a leftist always has been...Cruz to my dismay is the only possibility left and a shaky one at best. So are you going to vote for the left wing candidate, the left wing candidate or the left wing candidate? Or live up to formerly stated moral values?
      Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
      • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 1 month ago
        I have posted on several occasions that the best of the worst is Cruz. I vote by mail and have chosen Cruz in the primary. However, if the nominee becomes Trump I will vote for him in preference to Clinton or Sanders. As I've stated in the the past, I'd vote for my Bella the Beagle over Clinton and Sanders. No matter how slim the probability, Trump may actually do some of the things he promises and as far as his resemblance to a Fascist goes, well, we'll need to see. At best it is a gamble, but like the famous gambler once said, "If you don't play, you can't win."
        Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
  • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 8 years, 1 month ago
    Anybody want to bet that Jeb is hoping that if Trump can be blocked from winning the first ballot he will be selected as the "compromise" between Trump and Cruz, the two clear leaders?
    Reply | Mark as read | Best of... | Permalink  
    • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 1 month ago
      You mean Jeb Bush wants to present himself as the compromise? How would that work since Bush dropped out? Wouldn't Cruz say he's the logical choice since he's in second place? If the answer is the establishment doesn't like Cruz either, then why not Rubio or Kasich?

      These may be naive questions b/c I haven't studied this process. I imagine these people are obsessed with being president and even if the party establishment offered them some connections with foreign oil deals or financial company advisory positions worth $100 million, the candidates don't care b/c there's only one POTUS and they want to be it. Again, I may be very naive in this thinking.
      Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
      • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 8 years, 1 month ago
        Well, of course anyone can make any argument they want and people can hope for conclusions. Someone needs to win an actual majority of the votes of the delegates. They are bound on the first ballot, but after that can switch. There are also rules, but the delegates can change the rules by majority vote.

        The scenario would be that Trump has a bunch of votes, Cruz has a bunch and then Kasich and Marco have the rest. No one budges. Party Elders urge that the party pick someone as a compromise candidate and everyone switches to them therefore no one wins.

        I did a quick bit of research and the last Republican convention that didn't have a first ballot victory was 1948. Interestingly Dewey had 434 out of 1094 on the first ballot 515 on the second, picking up some votes from various of the 7 candidates and then it was unanimous on the third.

        I think they are fooling themselves, if Trump (or Cruz) goes into the convention a clear leader they will probably wind up the nominee -- anything else would piss off just too many people.

        It's not out of the question for Trump and Cruz to band together and do a Trump/Cruz ticket. If they presented a united front and had the vast majority of the votes it would be hard to argue with them. And they might since both are considered outsiders and have the most to to risk by letting the Party Elders decide.

        Of course everyone playing wants to be President, but VP gives you the presumption that you are the front runner in the next one. Certainly Cruz and Rubio (I don't see him as a player in this) are young enough that they will actually be better positioned to run in 4 or 8 years.
        Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
        • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 1 month ago
          That's just what the elders of the compromise party needs, a compromise candidate.
          Sure as heck won't be the principled Cruz.
          I'm suddenly thinking how Dr. Frankenstein (the GOP elite) inadvertently created a loose cannon for a monster.
          The Boris Karloff version also had silly looking hair.
          Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
        • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
          I do not see Cruz or Trump sharing power with each other, it would be an unending battle between them. Maybe Rubio, but not Cruz.
          Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
          • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 8 years, 1 month ago
            To be clear, I don't see Trump being VP to Cruz, but I can definitely see Cruz being VP to Trump. If that's what it takes to get Trump the nomination he'll suck it up. And Cruz doesn't really have years of being the boss -- he's a first term Senator. He would build his resume for 2020 or 2024.
            Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
          • Posted by $ Susanne 8 years, 1 month ago
            Or maybe Kasich, as so far he's the mature, sane one. That could be a ticket I could get behind, actually - Trump/Kasich. I could get behind Trump/Rubio, but I think the animosity between them may have grown too deep - then again, after last night's breach into sanity (must be driving the Demoochercrats nuts) maybe... just maybe...

            I can't see Cruz, tho. And Jib the Shrub? Someone should wake him up from his delusional fantasy.

            Maybe Jeb and the rest of the pro-Clinton party-busters should meet (again?) with their fraulein Leader's secret rep and strategize how they can monkey-wrench that.
            Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
      • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
        I believe Jeb actually thought because the RNC told him "you are our guy" or something, that everyone would just fall at their knees for him. I really do not think he accepts this is not so.
        Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
  • Posted by bassboat 8 years, 1 month ago
    The establishment will not realize or admit that things will change. The "Government for sale" is coming to an end, if not then we might as well forget it and let it implode. This election is our last chance. Trump was shut down in Chicago tonight by what was probably hired thugs, an old Chicago trick to shut down the opposition. What would be the outcry if that were pulled at a Hilliary event or Heaven forbid an obama event? Trump will be the one blamed and not the hired thugs. If it were not Trump they would be doing the same thing to Cruz. I pray for our country to return to its senses and what made it great. A strong belief in God, small government and the individual. We are at the crossroads.
    Reply | Mark as read | Best of... | Permalink  
    • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
      Hmm reminds me of some riots we had a while back, where some "angry mobs" did things they were never held to account for, and turned out a bunch were indeed bused in for the show. Our political system is full of dangerous people with no regard for anyone but the party and their fat asses.
      Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
  • Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 1 month ago
    it's like Gore in 2000 -- without the supreme court
    in the mix. . Jeb can't pull this thing too far. . after
    next tuesday, the list of sore losers will congeal. -- j
    .
    Reply | Mark as read | Best of... | Permalink  
  • Posted by $ Stormi 8 years, 1 month ago
    Before the primary campaigns even began, the CFR had made clear they wanted Bush, good enough reason there to NOT vote for him! If he pulls off being placed in as the compromise, we have a choice between a Marxist/socialist or a one world government, Common Core pushing elite - enough to make one leave the country. The candidates should say, "Please, do not endorse me."
    Reply | Mark as read | Best of... | Permalink  
  • Posted by $ Abaco 8 years, 1 month ago
    I ALWAYS thought that Jeb would be the nominee. Always. If that happens here and Hillary steals the nomination due to "super delegates" let's just sit back and watch the system unravel before our eyes. Funny thing is...the average schmuck won't even notice. They'll just go, "Der....duh...uh..."
    Reply | Mark as read | Best of... | Permalink  
  • Comment hidden by post owner or admin, or due to low comment or member score. View Comment
  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 1 month ago
    Why are the losers included at all. What do they have to offer except more RINO/left wing control. Another reason not to vote Republican is their continued status as lap dogs of the left.
    Reply | Mark as read | Best of... | Permalink  
  • Posted by $ Susanne 8 years, 1 month ago
    Jib???

    When you see this, remember exactly --who-- is driving splitting and dividing and conquering the RP, and who that splitting and destroying benefits. (If you need a clue, look for the pantsuit)...

    Another Clinton trick. Someone ought to send Jib packing. And he can take Romnuts along with him.

    He's so lame he refuses to realize the Jib has been cut and his boat has sailed. Maybe he can get his mommy up there to stand up for his plot to get Hellary elected by destroying the GOP.
    Reply | Mark as read | Best of... | Permalink  
  • Posted by term2 8 years, 1 month ago
    Jeb Bush seems to be walking around in a fog of deception about his importance. No one cares really what he thinks. He is a member of the old time establishment.
    Reply | Mark as read | Best of... | Permalink  
  • Posted by term2 8 years, 1 month ago
    The whole idea of defeating Trump is really stupid. I would think that the other candidates would want us to understand and appreciate THEM for what they offer, and when they try to destroy another candidate, I think its because they have nothing to offer.
    Reply | Mark as read | Best of... | Permalink  
    • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
      Exactly, this has been building for 20-30 years or longer, and the technology boom has made it happen a warp speed now, instead of over months. Used tobe you had to get newspapers and TV stations on your side,and they wielded the power. Now, the Internet is King, and news can flash in seconds and fantasy becomes reality. Trump has figured that out, his bombast spreads a 1000 times faster than a sound reasoning position.
      Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
      • Posted by term2 8 years, 1 month ago
        I think you would be surprised at Trump when he is in a serious business or policy discussion. From what I can see and what I hear from others, he hires very good advisors, listens to them, and carefully weighs the options- leaving out political correctness and other such nonsense. We need that for 4 years (if not forever) in government. The other politicians have been chameleons, just pandering to their contributors.
        Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
        • Posted by jabuttrick 8 years, 1 month ago
          nickursis, you are right, I would be surprised since nothing he has said publicly provides evidence for your assertions.
          Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
          • Posted by term2 8 years, 1 month ago
            If he turns out to be a good president, will you change your mind
            Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
            • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
              I think then it will become a problem of defining a "good" president.
              Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
              • Posted by term2 8 years, 1 month ago
                hmm. how would you define a good president? I would look for one who stands up for the USA in the world and doesnt apologize for our culture. One who tells it like it is, no matter if its politically correct. One who balances the budget and decreases spending on useless things. One that only goes to war to protect OUR country, and not to blindly exert our power over others. One that doesnt desecrate the dollar by printing money to cover excessive spending. Things like that which are at least partially under his control. I would like him to exonerate Snowden and Manning (the whistleblowers) also- but I doubt thats going to happen.
                Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
                • Posted by jabuttrick 8 years, 1 month ago
                  Benito Trump has called Snowden a traitor who should be tried for treason so don't hold your breath on that one. As for the concept of the "good" President, I would offer the following: A good President would be one who believed and acted upon the principle that the sole proper function government is to protect our rights to life, liberty, property and the pursuit of happiness. In practice, that means that the government would not initiate force against anyone. A good starting point to achieve those goals would be application of the imperfect but pretty darn good document called the Constitution. Is that all too much to ask? And does anyone here seriously think this describes Trump?
                  Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
                  • -1
                    Posted by term2 8 years, 1 month ago
                    It doesnt describe any of the candidates, nor the congress no matter which parties control the house and senate, nor the agencies of the government.

                    I know that if anything, Snowden might consider getting out of Russia if Trump is elected. Putin hated Obama so kept Snowden to spite Obama. That might end, tho, after Obama is out
                    Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
                    • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
                      The Snowden thing was more about open government than anything else. We got burned badly in the 40s by Russia and went into overdrive with classifying everything including how many times the President pees. That has led to a covert state that supports security for any price, vice adopting a quiet position of strength. He basically flipped off the whole system, which reacted as it did. Trump seems to still have a foot in the pool. My guess is the rest do too, so he will still be toast.
                      Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
                      • Posted by term2 8 years, 1 month ago
                        I think Snowden is more of a hero than a felon. Same thing with Manning. I think Putin kept Snowden just to tweek Obama, whom he has NO respect for, but I am glad he did what he did. Hopefully, snowden will magically get some sort of citizenship or permanent residency before a new president takes over.
                        Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
        • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
          Possibly, I think a lot of people have a hard time building that picture given some of his stranger gaffs so far. Supposedly, his wife told him to be more presidential, and ten he went on to talk about the hands thing...It may actually have added to his "common man" persona, but really....
          Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
          • -1
            Posted by term2 8 years, 1 month ago
            First of all, he doesn't use teleprompter and notes filled with sound bytes, like ALL the others do.

            Unless you are being straight up honest, its very hard to just be there and answer the myriad of questions that reporters and opponents toss up.

            Also, since its not scripted like with Hildebeast and perhaps Sanders, you have to be able to be fast on your feet to answer to the best of your limited knowledge (at least while a candidate). They aren't briefed on all aspects of how the government is working in advance !!

            I would pick honesty and a bit of crassness sometimes over hiding and dishonesty any day of the week.

            As I said, I think that to get to where he is at business wise, he would be much more serious and deliberate carefully before reaching a decision once he is president and has the benefit of all the facts surrounding the issues.
            Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
            • Comment hidden by post owner or admin, or due to low comment or member score. View Comment
            • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 1 month ago
              Doesn't use a teleprompter or Hillary style speeches and you 'think' he might be more serious as a President

              Great Qualifications. The nuts and bolts of the Trump Platform. Thank you.
              Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
            • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
              Look at an article I posted in Politics that may explain some of this, they found a group of Blue Collar Democrats are supporting Trump, even if he is a bombastic racist, because they perceive he is at least an honest racist bombastic person. I think this is something that is being underestimated in a lot of calculations.
              Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
              • Posted by term2 8 years, 1 month ago
                What is a racist anyway? I have problems with some cultures, including the entitled black culture, the violent muslim culture, and the pushy asian culture. I call myself a "culturist" as a result. I just feel more comfortable being around certain cultural traits and less comfortable being around certain other cultural traist. Its politically incorrect, but whatever.... As to the actual race or color, I think there isnt a basis for effective or accurate discrimmination. Treating someone who happens to be black as inferior is stupid. However, if they come from the entitled black obama-fueled culture, I definitely discrimminate against them. I just dont want to be around them or work with them. Big difference between being a culturist and a racist, but they are lumped together now.

                All people should have basic human rights, and I wouldnt string someone up even because of their culture. One could argue that the muslims who chant "dealt to america" kind of fall into another category that is particularly troubling.
                Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
                • Posted by jabuttrick 8 years, 1 month ago
                  Since you asked: A racist is a collectivist who believes that members of any particular racial group have greater or lesser rights than others simply because of their racial identity.
                  Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
                  • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
                    I would disagree. The fundamental meaning was to discriminate and restrict based on color, even shades. It also was equally done to Irish, Polish and other ethnic groups in the past, but was never called that. Now it has become just another hot button term with no meaning, just emotional power.
                    Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
                    • Posted by jabuttrick 8 years, 1 month ago
                      A term has no meaning unless you define it. I agree that many people use the term racist without defining it. That does not mean you cannot define the term and then apply it in appropriate circumstances.
                      Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
                      • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
                        My point is not in the standard accepted manings of terms and words. The issue is that the environment it exists in does not use it with any definition. It is a nebulous usage now that has a purely emotional component, and is just for raising tension. It is not the same as the way we would use it in this forum. That is the difference with people who actually think, and those that just manipulate.
                        Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
                        • Posted by jabuttrick 8 years, 1 month ago
                          I guess I'm suggesting that we ought to call people on it when they misuse terms or leave them undefined. This is particularly true in the political context. Ideas and the words used to convey them have consequences. Instead of declaring the words meaningless we ought to fight back with clarity.
                          Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
                  • Posted by term2 8 years, 1 month ago
                    so given that no one has a right to things like free education, free college, free food, etc, not giving those things to black people isnt really racism, except in politically correct circles.
                    Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
                    • Posted by jabuttrick 8 years, 1 month ago
                      As long as you advocate denying those rights to all others also, that is correct. I would wonder, however, why anyone would single out a particular race when taking such positions. For instance, it would be odd, to say the least, for one to state that it should be illegal for white people to commit murder. What would be the point of making such a statement unless in rebuttal to someone urging that white people should be able to get away with murder? in short, any politician should state the broader principle when taking policy positions so there would be no confusion. To take your examples, an honest politician (a contradiction in terms?) should state "I oppose government provided free education,college, food for all or anyone" and then defend the position.
                      Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
                    • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
                      No, it is also not available to other groups except by special fiat awarded by another special group. No one seems to think scholarship programs only open to blacks is racist. Nor for "Native Americans". Everyone can justify any special treatment with any number of perceived wrongs. That is just as racist as not letting them ride a bus. Trump gets it because the Dumbocraps find it useful and it can vaguely fit his illegal immigrant stance. It is also applied any time someone ever mentions controlling the borders. It is, in essence, pure BS.
                      Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
                      • Posted by term2 8 years, 1 month ago
                        I have to say that with all this manipulation going on with the politics and media, its hard to actually figure out what is correct and not correct in terms of facts. We are left to try and translate internally what these people are saying and come to our own conclusions (which may not actually reflect all the facts, if they were known). I am finding I dont listen to the media and the politicians, but always look for the hidden agendas behind them. I conclude things which might not be 100% accurate sometimes, but I have to go with things the way I see them.
                        Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
                • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
                  Racist used to describe pure seperation based on color only. Now it is a generic political term bandied about if you say anything about anyone that someone else disagrees with. It is essentially meaningless. The culture qualifier may have merit. I try to look at whether a person or affiliated group threatens me with physical harm, or financial burden for deciding whether I am offended by them. If I am offended, I will say so, irregardless of race. That is not racist. This is a core issue with the Dumbocraps who only seek to manipulate people who can be programmed to respond to single words. It works, it worked great in the riots last year and before. Doesn't mean it is true though.
                  Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
                  • Posted by jabuttrick 8 years, 1 month ago
                    Racism, unfortunately, has often been employed to inflict much more harm than "separation." The term is not "meaningless" unless it is not defined and used according to its definition. If you think the word is being used loosely then call the speaker on it by demanding that he or she define the term being employed.
                    Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
                    • Comment hidden by post owner or admin, or due to low comment or member score. View Comment
                    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 1 month ago
                      Wouldn't do any good JA. It would only engender another off track comment of no value. but i'll consider your request as mine.

                      The following will be quite beyond terms2limited but I'll add them nonetheless.

                      Racism according to the left - whatever we say it means at that moment.

                      Racism is forming opinions or taking actions for or against any particular individual or groups of individuals based on previously conceived notions of the speakers racial superiority and the inferiority of the target or target audience without facts in evidence.

                      Dictionary....Full Definition of racism. 1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race. 2 : racial prejudice or discrimination.
                      racism - definition of racism in English from the Oxford ...

                      The Macquarie Dictionary defines racism as: "the belief that human races have distinctive characteristics which determine their respective cultures, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule or dominate others."

                      http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/di...
                      racism definition, meaning, what is racism: the belief that people's qualities are influenced by their race and that the members of…. Learn more.
                      Racism - definition of racism by The Free Dictionary
                      http://www.thefreedictionary.com/racism
                      The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others. 2. Discrimination or prejudice based on ...

                      Racism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism
                      Jump to Etymology, definition and usage - The term racism is a noun describing the state of being ... It was first defined by the Oxford English Dictionary as ..."

                      Applied as a method of revenge or retaliation is often called reverse racism and no group of the human race is immune from that form as they are not immune from overt racism

                      Prejudice which is not confined to racial use is judging before facts in evidence. Post judice is judging after facts are in evidence

                      Belonging to a particular group does not automatically make one an active member of that group e.g. the womens movement principally the NOW organization abandoned their principles and their sisters in favor of supporting Clinton I and Clinton II. Clinton II is now calling in that marker once again.

                      The terms do not automatically exclude nor include any particular individual especially those who have no discernible principles. Donald Trump is an example of that condition along with his supporters paid or volunteer.

                      Thus we are left with what he had said and what he has done in the past and the same for the others.

                      The objectivist will take anything said by a politician with a huge dose of salt precisely because of the lack of demonstrated principles.

                      A demonstration of lack of principles is the constant changing, dodging, evading, and redefining of any particular topic with no facts produced in evidence

                      Thus Plato becomes Playdough. and Kant becomes cant and then can't.
                      Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
                      • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
                        Exactly, They all ignore the saint they worship: MLK: Judge a man not on the color of his skin, but the content of his character". Were that true, there would be a lot more negative judgements.
                        Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
                  • Posted by term2 8 years, 1 month ago
                    When I think of culture, I think of the ideas and preferences that were absorbed from the environment one grows up in and the influence of parents and friends. Those things are often not really understood by a person on a conscious level, and therefore tend NOT to be thought about and kept consciously or discarded.

                    One thing I have to say Trump has done- he has blown open the political correctness chains that we have accepted all these years. Now its OK to say what you think- be true to yourself- and if your intial thought were wrong you can change what you think. When people are constrained by political correctness, its harder to live in the present.
                    Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
  • Posted by Temlakos 8 years, 1 month ago
    Absent the consideration I must mention, Cruz would better serve himself by staying a thousand miles away from Jeb. The trouble is, he's in very thick with the Bushes. I suspect he has a Cabinet pick for the other brother, Neil.

    But even that's not the killer circumstance.

    Ted Cruz is not eligible to the office. (Neither is Rubio, but that doesn't matter; Rubio is finished.) Ted Cruz was born out-of-country, and not on any military station--in fact his mother never served in the military, nor in the diplomatic corps. And Ted's father didn't get naturalized until this century.

    I know some of you here don't know what to make of Trump. Some of you compare him to Hank Rearden, but others compare him to Orren Boyle or James Taggart. But at least Trump is eligible.

    And it's too late to substitute anyone else. No name reco.
    Reply | Mark as read | Best of... | Permalink  
    • Comment hidden by post owner or admin, or due to low comment or member score. View Comment
    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 1 month ago
      For the last f'n time. The Supreme Court some years ago declared those born foreign of one or more US parent eligible. That includes me. When are you Johnny come latelies going to learn to do a little fact checking. Your faulty premises remind me of someone not realizing his ....is hanging out for all to ridicule.
      Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
      • Posted by Temlakos 8 years, 1 month ago
        Please cite the case involving Presidential eligibility. Voting and eligibility to hold offices other than the Presidency is different from Presidential eligibility.
        Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
        • Comment hidden by post owner or admin, or due to low comment or member score. View Comment
        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 1 month ago
          Did you read the background discussion that went on here for a number of months and ended up with me having to admit I was wrong and he was eligble? No you did not you just stuck with urban myths. Do your own due diligence.This is not a place for the lazy.
          Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
          • Comment hidden by post owner or admin, or due to low comment or member score. View Comment
          • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 1 month ago
            In other words prove I'm wrong.
            Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
            • Posted by Temlakos 8 years, 1 month ago
              Start with this link:

              http://www.constitution.org/vattel/va...

              Scroll down to chapter 19, and the definition of the phrase "natural born citizen."

              Then search on that phrase, with the name John Jay added.

              Then search the case of Minor v. Happersett in 1875.

              And finally: cite me a case that the Court decided on the merits to resolve the issue. Nothing less than a case decided on the merits can set a precedent.
              Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
              • Comment hidden by post owner or admin, or due to low comment or member score. View Comment
              • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 1 month ago
                old out of date news. Pelligrini of Pennsylvania made a ruling it has not been overturned or even challenged in any higher court. The Supreme Court citing Article IV full faith and credit has continued to refuse to change his ruling....you might want to try something besides out of date history. I

                I don't like it it doesn't matter. did you file a challenge? Or just blather....your opinion doesn't count. Court rulings do. I can now run for President. Why do you think Trump quit playing that tune? You want to back a left wing socialist corporatist at least come out and say so.... Definitely you are not a friiend of the Constitution.
                Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
    • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
      The Cruz thing is already played out, I thought a judge ruled he was eligible.
      Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
      • Posted by Temlakos 8 years, 1 month ago
        No. A judge ruled the plaintiff in that case hadn't filed by the deadline.

        Can you or anyone else show me one case that any judge has actually decided on the merits?
        Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
        • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
          Don't know, figured it was a non started based on the Obamanation....
          Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
          • Posted by Temlakos 8 years, 1 month ago
            Sadly, no one--ever--built a coherent case based on Emmerich de Vattel's Law of Nations. (Or when they did--and I know about one such case here in New Jersey, and covered it as an independent journalist--the Administrative Law Judge refused to admit Vattel as an authority.) That work clearly defines "natural born citizen" as one whose loyalties have no division, about which no one can possibly entertain any doubt. Such a person must be born in-country to two citizen parents--though "born in-country" can include "born on-station" if one of the parents is in the military or diplomatic service. That would cover, say, the son or daughter of an ambassador, born in the host country.

            But Mrs. Cruz was not an ambassador nor any other kind of diplomatic officer.

            What we are contemplating is acceding to the abandonment of the Vattel standard. Which every President except Jefferson, Arthur, and Obama has met.

            For Jefferson, the Framers made an exception: "or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this Constitution."

            Arthur skated on this. He hid his Irish parentage.

            About Obama, enough said.
            Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
            • Posted by $ 8 years, 1 month ago
              Exactly, and just as in the Obama case, I believe the Republicrats, would look on it as "only fair"that Cruz be allowed to run. Should Cruz somehow get it, we will probably see a huge Democrap effort. Which could succeed since they own the courts and DOJ, apparently.
              Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  

FORMATTING HELP

  • Comment hidden. Undo