Wanting to live in a more Objectivist society is a rational and important goal. However, making it happen in a geographically distinct place is a but a dream. A much more achievable, potentially personally satisfying and ultimately useful strategy is to build Objectivist networks right where you are.

Using this forum to explore ways to do this, reporting on strategies that furthered the goal and those that didn’t would be much more helpful than clinging to the dream that there will be a Gulch to move to.

Heyfolks I have lived in Sedona for about 26 yrs. and have seen this grow and change. I will tell you what we have here.
First, we have a lot of retired people from socialist California and others from the northwest states. Like myself a few from the east coast. Democrats are a sizeable element in the Verde Valley; which includes Cottonwood, Camp Verde, Cornville, Lake Montezuma, Jerome and Clarkdale besides Sedona. Most of the other residents are independent minded. There is a sizeable Hispanic population which consider themselves Democrats. Sedona has different political segments. We have the Fluffy Bunnies (New Agers) who will vote for someone like Bernie Sanders; then the Artsy-Fartsies which are mostly Democrats; Store and Business owners are split evenly Rep and Dems with some independents; The ones who are in power and behind the scenes are Dems and a few Indies.
There is a small population that are gun owners of which I'm one. Despite, the open carry regulation many people in town still cringe at the sight of open carry holstered gun. The towns in the lower valley still act like it's the Wild,Wild,Wild West. That's why there is a 600 bed Detention Facility in Camp Verde, which also serves Prescott and Pescott Valley on the the side of the Black Mtns.
If any of the you Gulchers come here I will be glad to meet up with you. (Text me @ 928-821-8059)

I still think Obama would stop Texas leaving by force like they did in Waco with those religious sect people

Pack your bags! It may happen sooner than you think. Oh, don't forget to take all of your guns and gold, too.

YES! Very serious. Check it out here: http://www.thetnm.org/
The Governor has already started the process to create Texas' own depository, and will be having all of the state's gold removed from the vaults in New York, and shipped to Texas. Texas is also considering the use of BitCoin! Pretty free thinking, huh?

Is Texas serious about secession?. It's economy would boom if it did

Both if Obama let Texas leave the union, I would move there in a second.

He would probably kick Texas out!

Do you really think Obama would tolerate secession??? He would send in the troops to put down the rebelliion.

Obviously, you didn't research the Texas agreement for statehood. All Texas has to do is for the majority of the legislature vote in the affirmative to secede, and it is so. The only state in the union with that ability. Also the only state to have their flag flown at the same height as the US flag, and the only state to have the peak of their capitol higher than the US capitol in DC.

Why are you encouraged by the prospect of secession in Texas?. Wouldn't the feds just put it down like they did in the civil war with the South?

Those curious about a good out of the way place in Arizona should check out Pleasant Valley just below the Mogollan Rim. Hard to get to but worth it. Water from the Rockies make it excellent for growing and cattle. It's all but forgotten and the townspeople like it that way.

Sedona is, or was, about my favorite spot in Arizona. We went there many times from Prescott, over Mingus Mtn, thru Jerome & Cottonwood, a great little trip. Back then Sedona was a lovely quiet place to be, but today it's become a sort of Yuppyville; Ditto Prescott, so sad.
But any city is a lousy place to "hide out'", so today we live in Nowhere, AZ, We're old-folks and bugging out is not part of our plan. Much of our homeland today is like ourselves, and working toward plain survival via self-defense.

I still believe that the best place to create a Gulch, is the state of Texas. There currently is a rather large movement to secede, and the governor and many elected officials are Libertarians at heart. The 1835 constitution can be dusted off, and we can get down to business! And, don't give me that junk about the fed not allowing it. They don't have a choice in the matter. Do your research before making inappropriate (stupid) comments.

Yes, but it sure is pretty.

I've been living in Arizona since 1976 and I know Arizona politics and Clint pretty well. Any questions?

Good luck hiding out in Sedona! It is a huge tourist town.

Ayn Rand described "one-party rule" as one con-
dition that would have to occur, I believe, before it
would be time to quit.

Yes, I was kidding. I drove from Sedona to Flagstaff... beautiful!

I spent the winter of 2009-2010 in an RV park just east of Kingman off of I40. Arizona at that time was pretty much broke and did not take of the roads and waysides. I do not know if that has changed but the climates varies greatly all over the state. Near Flagstaff gets pretty wintery and near Pheonix is very dry. We toured all around the state and there are definitely areas that are Gulchish. The key would be to find an area that is isolated and can support off grid living and food production. Another issue would be local Indians. They will steal you blind while you are in town to get milk... I don't know but I think perhaps with enough research there may be a possibility.

Their real estate prices went way down in 2007. Don't know what they're doing now.

I spent time in beautiful downtown Ajo on several occasions in the 80`s, people disappeared there all the time...

I drove through Arizona three times during the 70s.
It is interesting to visit but the Bama dino prefers the shade of many trees.
I feel so EXPOSED as I drive across a flat desert.
I kinda like the dry heat over the humidity I'm used to but I also recall the terrible headache I got due to not having a hat when I had a brief bit of car trouble. That was in Nevada's Death Valley, though.

The Flagstaff area is not so hot.

I love Sedona. I have a few contacts there. If he'd like the opinions of a 20 year transplant there, let me know and I'll set up a get-together..