Goodbye, Copyright. Farewell, Tenured Guilds.

Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 2 months ago to Technology
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It began with a quote from Thomas Jefferson:

"If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of everyone, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. Its peculiar character, too, is that no one possesses the less, because every other possesses the whole of it. He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. That ideas should freely spread from one to another over the globe, for the moral and mutual instruction of man, and improvement of his condition, seems to have been peculiarly and benevolently designed by nature, when she made them, like fire, expansible over all space, without lessening their density at any point, and like the air in which we breathe, move, and have our physical being, incapable of confinement or exclusive appropriation. Inventions then cannot, in nature, be a subject of property."
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  • Posted by dbhalling 8 years, 2 months ago
    This article is nonsense. Copyrights are not dead or dying except to the extent that anti-property rights judges and legislatures destroy it.

    In the case of scientific papers the business model is changing because of technological and social changes. On the technological side publishing scientific papers has gotten very cheap. The scientist wants the information spread as widely as possible, it is only the publisher that wants exclusive rights. The scientist does not make any money off of people buying the journal, so the market is evolving to eliminate a middle man made obsolete by technology. This is not really a copyright issue at all

    Another change is that so called "peer reviewed" journals have been shown to be corrupt and no more accurate than non-peer reviewed publications. Thus destroying the only other reason for these publications
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    • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 2 months ago
      I agree, db. One of the paleogenticists I follow has had a major - even leading - role in endorsing the online publication of new findings. This eliminates the prior-to-publication peer review and cuts the lag time down from years to days. It does not, however, remove peer review since other authorities may post their opinions of the article after it is published (and generally a number of them have had the article sent to them in advance to give the author a chance fix weak spots). You are right about the incidence of bogus peer-review in recent major journals!

      The pre-Clovis archaeologists of the New World had been pretty much shut down for more than a century by a peer-group gatekeeping mechanism. Now, a few good finds and the inability to prevent publication has opened the sluice gates and many pre-Clovis finds are reported.

      It is more than just articles: scans of actual fossils (of immense importance) are being disseminated online by their discoverers. Finds that formerly would have been sequestered for generations are now being 3D printed and passed around in undergraduate classrooms.

      We are in a new era, and I like it. A scientists reputation is ultimately made by his reputation and a well done experiment with valid methodology that is published online and which receives positive comments from other authorities meets all the criteria for establishing that reputation.

      Jan
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      • Posted by Dobrien 8 years, 2 months ago
        The sequestering for generations of discoveries that are of immense importance blows my mind.
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        • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 2 months ago
          The ancient Chinese succeeding in suppressing large ships on exploratory missions, the printing press, and gunpowder (except in fireworks). If they had not done this, we might be all speaking Chinese.

          Suppression of important discoveries has long-reaching consequences. I like the idea of 'all the crackpots' being able to publish whatever they want because some small percent of them may have a breakthrough.

          Jan
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          • Posted by $ 8 years, 2 months ago
            Correct.
            The same might be advised,( or at least until we accept our Mind's power to control our bicameral brains), that we temper our achievement of 'Free Energy'...might today's society go off the rails with it? (in spite of the obvious benefit?).

            When resources are scarce we tend to value life and everything else a bit more.
            See: r/k selection theory and it's analogy between rabbits and lions.
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    • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 8 years, 2 months ago
      What do you think of the practical considerations of enforcing your copyright that the article mentions. If your Hank Ranger novels appeared on a 'sharing' site based in Russia linked with a domain name out of some freebooks.io you would have a legal right to your copyright, but could you practically enforce it?

      And certainly the resources available to you are significantly greater than the average writer!
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 2 months ago
      Agree about the corruption in "peer review" however...in the context of these rouge severs and the fact they are not accountable for collecting and disseminating unpaid for copy righted material for free.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 2 months ago
    But turn the idea into a usable object such as a script for a stage play or a completely new way of injecting fuel into an engine.....is that then the property of the globe? Then it is back to the old Russian saying. They pretend to pay we pretend to think, to invent, to create and that includes create jobs. You think different? Guy name Kerry has a job tree back in the east coast. He can give you the location.

    Another one name Gore has a money tree you pin money on it and watch him spend it.

    The guy who finally figures out the cheapest safest way to transport fuel is in the form of electricity....will stand behind Edison and his light bulb

    All of the component parts were laying around but it took Edison too make light switches worth flipping.

    ....
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    .just let me know when you can create any electromagnetic vibration from all spectrum's...I suspect that will be the next healing device...just like star trek.
    The problem will be determining and categorizing all the healthy vibrational frequencies of all parts of the body.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.

    Cool...just let me know when you can create any electromagnetic vibration from all spectrum's...I suspect that will be the next healing device...just like star trek.
    The problem will be determining and categorizing all the healthy vibrational frequencies of all parts of the body.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 2 months ago
    New startup to the thread on long term income and that brings up tv, movies, cd's, dvd's, kindle and artistic control. If write 'magazine' and some poof illiterate editor type changes it to 'clip' to save five spaces i want control. the rest of the above follws including kindle.

    Combining somewhat with the thread about business i've read the movie industry is a snake pit of how to promise you one thing and leave you with nothing as an investor or even as a contributor. Any knowledgeable comments besides get a well versed shark lawyer from the get go?
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  • Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 2 months ago
    ouch, Carl.

    as a person who collects The Original version of songs,
    like the Supremes' "ain't no mountain high enough,"
    I naturally cling to the original thinkers whose ideas
    have impressed me in the past. . Galileo, Newton,
    Heisenberg, Kirchhoff, Heinlein, Rand -- but their ideas
    are, alas, free. . I have always wanted to have my
    name among theirs, but have worked for others to put
    bread on the table. . now, retired, I need to hustle
    since time is short!!!! -- j
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    • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 2 months ago
      Heisenberg?
      There's more to you John, than just a pretty face.
      Ideas by their very nature are free. The proof - another matter. In have an idea relating to Dark Energy, but not the smarts to do the math. Someone will do it and I'll be able to say I was right -- or wrong.
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      • Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 2 months ago
        my sister got all the pretty face genes, sir! . she's 21
        months younger than my 67 years, and looks more
        like she's in her thirties. . wow! -- j

        p.s. there is something to this universe which we just
        cannot see, no matter how hard we look. . dark matter,
        dark energy, phlogiston physics ... something is lurking
        O u t T h e r e....... -- j
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        • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 2 months ago
          You're right, but if we allow ourselves to survive, we will eventually know it all. At present, it may be so alien to us that we cannot conceive it, but we will -- we will.
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          • Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 2 months ago
            the search is such FUN!!! -- j
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            • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 2 months ago
              Absolutely.
              Physics and the universe is so crazily contradictory that one begins to wonder if it was put together by an insane entity. What if there was a creator who was watching us try to understand the universe and every time we'd get somewhere it would change the rules? On the other hand, there's the possibility that the universe is merely the first stage of knowledge and once the puzzle is solved, a whole new puzzle presents itself. I've gotta stop, I'm getting dizzy.
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              • Posted by $ 8 years, 2 months ago
                Consciousness governs the cosmos; or creation as I prefer. Quantum physics has observed that our mere observation of an event, changes the outcome. Even a measurement device.
                This goes with my thoughts of order/disorder, if we merely follow the rules, the intention of creations consequences, there is order; the moment you make it up on your own, (be what ever you will [alistar crowely) you create disorder.

                The idea of 0 entropy and max entropy is to be somewhere in below the 1/2 way point. So there must be a bit of resistance in order to have consistent order., (just like in a car engine)..that resistance might very well be the rules...which applies to civilization and society as well. It all seems to be quantumly connected.
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                • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 2 months ago
                  Got a good book for you:
                  Quantum Enigma
                  Physics encounters consciousness
                  By Rosenbaum and Kuttner
                  Oxford University Press

                  Your post is right up my alley. Your interest is very interesting.
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                  • Posted by $ 8 years, 2 months ago
                    Thanks Herb...I jotted down the info.

                    My first book, more towards the end begins to broach this subject. I can take it a lot farther now.

                    I have applied it to creation and creator and the intentional consequences of it.
                    Once outside the pagan bicameral brain and into the mind...it all seems to make sense.

                    Quantum physics holds the keys to this. Einstein had a sense of this also.
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                    • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 2 months ago
                      I agree.
                      Consciousness could explain many of the mysteries of the physics apparent in the universe. I think that once some of the math and experiment guys get on it, much will be learned.
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                      • Posted by Dobrien 8 years, 2 months ago
                        Thinking that the substance of the universe is matter causes a fear greed dichotomy.
                        Thinking that the substance of the universe is consciousness therefore it is behavior that is important.All is number all is mind all is consciousness.
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                        • Posted by $ 8 years, 2 months ago
                          I like the way you put that, Dobrien. Below is a bit of background that will fill in that puzzle picture.
                          Accordingly, science finally saw beyond an electron and saw nothing but energy. Now on the quantum side, for unknown reasons, (we can speculate) these units of energy come together bound by a force that binds all at the local level, (gravity) and creates what we see as matter or a solid object.
                          I see creation as having all these possibilities, physical laws that favor these creations, ie. matter. The force that created it was conscious and certainly aware of it's creation but I don't think everything in creation is conscious, Consciousness is just the governing force.
                          So just as in biology we see instructions and possibilities in DNA that allow a cell to survive and behave in a particular way.
                          In terms of these rules or instructions built into creation is what one might refer to as the image a living thing is to reflect...and to chose, as in our case, to do otherwise is to ignore that information which creates disorder and chaos.
                          Just proves it was intentional.

                          I hope you don't mind, I went a bit farther than I intended...still putting this all together, but you can see that it need not be so mystical...it's just quantum physics, A process the we as conscious beings should profoundly appreciate.
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                          • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 2 months ago
                            You and I are on the same wavelength.
                            Like Hamlet said, "There is more in heaven and earth than is dreamt of in your philosophy." Of course, he was talking about ghosts, but the quote does fit.
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                            • Posted by $ 8 years, 2 months ago
                              Yes it does.
                              I also know, that Shakespeare wasn't just talking about choosing life or death with his famous statement: To Be or Not to Be. He posed it as a question because each one of us, at a certain stage in our very young lives must make that decision as to accept our sovereignty as a "Being" and connect to the Mind and be aware of ourselves being aware. (the minds eye).
                              Too many in our society have apparently chosen "Not to be".
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                              • Posted by Dobrien 8 years, 2 months ago
                                Very well said olduglycarl.Your comments caused me to consider the pineal gland and all the symbolizim referencing the importance of the minds eye.A little research will reveal the similarities in structure to the eyeball the main difference is the pineal is surrounded by the brain
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                                • Posted by $ 8 years, 2 months ago
                                  You know, it's probable that there is more to this penal gland thing...but what I do know is that the two chemical reactions that cause sound, hearing and pictures or we might say today-video come from that gland. That's why we hear not just from outside the body by are able to produce a voice and pictures in the right hemisphere of our bicameral brain. What's interesting is actually knowing what you look like from above you, a view unlike what one might see in a mirror has to come from the right hemisphere through the subconscious (which records/tapes everything) to the mind; which is the consequence of the vibrational frequencies the brain produces...so the "Mind" is part you and part the quantum field we call the ether. I call it: the ethernet of the Mind and quantum physics has observed and measured that interaction in what they term a quantum event. Thought energy or frequencies go out into the ether and a reciprocal frequency returns- Question-Answer or...wait...wait for it..."Ask and Receive".
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                              • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 2 months ago
                                Good analysis.
                                "Not to be" in the sense of non-participation rather than death. Dropping out, living on the beach, in other words living on others and being useless. That is as "not-to-be" as death.
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                                • Posted by $ 8 years, 2 months ago
                                  Also...accepting the Mind and the connection to creation, consciousness and being accountable to reflect the image that's described within each cell in your body.
                                  Now, do you now have a clear view of the true divide in our society, culture and civilization?
                                  It's all about "Conscience". Those that have and those that have not.
                                  These past 3 to 4 posts are the key take-a-ways from my first book. The Fight for conscious Human Life.

                                  Can't believe I carried that full circle.
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              • Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 2 months ago
                it might be a do-loop which leads to another do-loop ...
                recursive, kinda like a doctor's handwriting gone
                awry -- it was cursive, before, and now it's nonsense! -- j
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                • Posted by $ 8 years, 2 months ago
                  I think I understand, maybe it's like "occultation", an astrophysical term...like an eclipse?
                  Before the eclipse it was cursive but during, it blocks the intention from mind to pen and paper?

                  Never heard: do-loop, can you explain differently?
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                  • Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 2 months ago
                    in fortran, a hundred years ago, the command "do"
                    told the computer to calculate something, and the
                    "do" phrase included parameters like "from n=1 to n=555"
                    and the machine would re-trace back to the "do" command
                    for each iteration. . nested do-loops would take a looooong
                    time, and pissed off the teacher. -- j

                    p.s. recursive = repetitive re-entry into a calculation, or
                    "the process of defining a function or calculating a number
                    by the repeated application of an algorithm," according to
                    dictionary.com
                    .
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                    • Posted by $ 8 years, 2 months ago
                      Thank you John.
                      Interesting, like when a record skipped and repeated the same section...that little divot could of been an occultation only even more aggravating.
                      Laughing while on 3rd at Hospice...for once no one around to think I'm crazy!
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                      • Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 2 months ago
                        yes, it's like jazz. . if the musician makes a mistake,
                        it's repeated with relish and slight changes again and
                        again ... until another permutation takes off on another
                        new musical path! -- j
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                        • Posted by $ 8 years, 2 months ago
                          I know that well...for many years I was a Jazz player...until I ruined my left forefinger...haven't played in thirty years...
                          And I still miss it.
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                          • Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 2 months ago
                            what did you play? . I have just started back with a
                            set of drums, for fun. . also have a fender 400 steel
                            guitar here which intimidates me. . beautiful sounds,
                            and difficult to play! -- j
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                            • Posted by $ 8 years, 2 months ago
                              Guitar since 6 years old...played professionally for 30 years...but with all that abuse and some injuries my jazz finger developed arthritic stiffness then froze...can only bend the tip about an 1/8 inch.

                              And I'm just not into bar cords...always played lead.
                              Had a custom made Artist Award made special at the Guild factory in Rode Island.
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                      • Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 2 months ago
                        3rd base? . sounds like my kind of hospice! -- j
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                        • Posted by $ 8 years, 2 months ago
                          Now I'm laughing out loud...still no one around.
                          Third shift...I fill in where ever needed as building engineer and watch the front door...this is where I do my research and writings. and get paid to do it...away from the ole women too! Just can't write at home.
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                          • Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 2 months ago
                            been there, as house manager for a college rooming
                            house years ago. . keep it running and watch the doors.
                            today, in running our house here, we had the 2 zoned
                            hvac units fighting one another::: one set to cool with
                            a max of 68F and one set to heat to 68F. . they were
                            both running at the same time, on a sunny day around
                            64F and sunny. . I shut down the heat. -- j
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                            • Posted by $ 8 years, 2 months ago
                              Our heating and cooling in this beautiful building on Long Island Sound, is a nightmare, constantly resetting something or opening/closing stuck vents.
                              Elevators and automatic doors doing weird stuff.

                              I'd swear that at times the electronics in this building is already adversely effected by atmospheric charging during solar and cosmic electromagnetic events...wouldn't doubt it with our shields down 25%.
                              ...and...it's gona get worse.
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                              • Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 2 months ago
                                aren't we on the waning side of a solar max? -- j
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                                • Posted by $ 8 years, 2 months ago
                                  No, the cooling side of solar minimum...think Maunder Minimum. a 400 year cycle.
                                  When the sun goes into a "Grand Minimum" there is little flaring to keep our shields strong and atmosphere inflated...the shield weakens and our atmosphere shrinks...no fear, be safe everyone.

                                  Of interest, my integration; We don't know what causes these minimums and maximums, science thinks its a cycle like El'nino/ El'nina but they still think the sun is self powered...where as the electric universe model suggests that our sun is fed through the berklin currents from another source.
                                  Now, imagine something getting in the way every 400 years causing occultation...now the sun is on it's own for 30 to 70 years.
                                  If it wasn't for the electromagnetic pull of planetary alignments, and sun diving comets, we might not see any flaring at all. Fortunately we get a few.
                                  But a weakened shield makes us vulnerable to relatively small flair's and cosmic rays.
                                  It is cosmic radiation that causes clouds, making the situation worse.
                                  Again...no fear, be safe...we've been here before.
                                  Just grow your food indoors.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 8 years, 2 months ago
    It would be nice if scientific articles were scientific and not redundant. I can't believe what people will write and duplicate just to get another paper out there.
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    • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 2 months ago
      Publish, perish, or putrify?
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      • Posted by $ Thoritsu 8 years, 2 months ago
        The whole predisposition colleges have with publishing and research drives me crazy. Where is the interest in undergraduate education that people pay for?!?

        Another interesting IP thing for DB is the typical agreement for IP universities have. Even when you pay them for work, they retain the IP rights. I sure can't do that with my customers.
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        • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 2 months ago
          Me neither (in the past).
          If an artist brought his work for us to publish he received the profits and we charged a fee. If we hired him to do a job for us, we retained all the profits, if any. and he was paid a fee. An artist tried to sue us after we hired them to illustrate a book. It was thrown out.
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  • Posted by Lucky 8 years, 2 months ago
    This is an important topic especially for this forum being concerned with intellectual property.

    As the writer says- there are changes in technology that threaten existing rules by eating away the power of governments to enforce what has previously been seen as (property) rights. To me, there is both good and bad in this. In this case there is/was the monopoly, more correctly cartel, of publishers who have been able to enforce exorbitant charges. The scientists got some benefit but there are other ways to date-stamp a published work.
    The writer says- the peer review process is going to collapse, - well so it should, widespread misuse close to fraud has been uncovered. What is called peer-review is really crony mutual back-scratching.
    But, this trend may not last, there are changes towards erosion of the nation state towards international governance. Whatever the downside of numerous virtual nations, concentrated world government is far worse.
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    • Posted by TheRealBill 8 years, 2 months ago
      "What is called peer-review is really crony mutual back-scratching"

      It really shouldn't be surprising. Peer publishing is the scientific world's version of occupational licensing. Occupational licensing leads to keeping upstarts out. Peer review keeps the upstarts of new ideas and counter thoughts out.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 2 months ago
      Yes, One world governance is something that should be avoided...
      We need to devise a system where ethical moral behavior and value creation is rewarded and the opposite is not...no harm, just no gain. Right now the system rewards those that cheat, steal, usurp all by creatures that cannot create value and the value creator must be on the defensive all the time.
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  • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 8 years, 2 months ago
    An interesting article. I would quibble about one aspect, and that is the emphasis on the nation that issues the domain name. The domain name has nothing to do with where the server is actually located which would, presumably be the locale that you would have to initiate suit in.

    Somehow creators still need to be able to get paid for their work. Andy Weir, who wrote "The Martian" had an interesting experience in that he produced his story and posted it on his web site for free. Later, at reader's requests, he provided a mechanism to download it. He still had people having problems doing this and to help he put it on Amazon for .99 -- the minimum they would allow a regular price. It took off and became a top seller. It appears that the convenience of being able to download the story and have it part of Amazon libraries was sufficient for a large number of people to be willing to pay $.99 for it.

    As for research data, the system is different. In that arena, authors often pay to have the articles published. The service provided is peer review. But it delays not only who is first but the availability of the data in a fast moving world. I recently watched a TED talk where they were sequencing variations on ebola and immediately posting them to the web so that researchers could use them on the epidemic. They couldn't wait for a journal and peer review. Perhaps some review system can be set up that allows papers to be qualified after online posting. One would also need some archiving mechanism so that papers could be linked to with the expectation that links would persist. Perhaps this service could serve as the 'bottle' that is sold.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 2 months ago
      I like that idea...

      Yes we need to get paid; even in a world that allows us to create what ever we need ourselves. There will always be the issue of resources for those things one creates...everything cannot be free, still need some free market mechanism for resource allocation.
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