An underground fire is burning near a nuclear waste dump, and officials say EPA has been too slow to react

Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 3 months ago to Government
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I think a lot of us agree the EPA is waste that could be succesfully eliminated with no harm, but this is just a mess, and the Lord High Administrator could not be bothered to talk to the people they are trying to kill off with incompetency...nuclear waste and an underground burn..doesn't sound like a good mix. But I am no EPA engineer.


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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Any time you have organics improperly disposed of (lack of ventilation, too much compression, incompatable waste) it is an issue. When these things break down, one by product is heat, which can start combustion in a slow burn process, using what little oxygen is available, as well as the by products for fuel, thus becoming self sustaining. There are nearby houses etc, which were apparently not informed of the dump when built. The gasses that escape from buring so much crap (such as plastic etc) is the proposed cause of the sickness some of these people like the little boy, are claiming. That is one issue. The fact that if this thing creeps into the nuclear waste, as it burns, will heat up the surronding material, taking either radioactive particulates or gasses up into the air. That would be a bad thing.
    Most of the coal burns, like the one that ate a Pennsylvania town, were human started, once they get going, the do become virtually unstoppable, other than running out of coal to burn. Other than usually burning or deforming the ground above, you are correct they are not a huge threat. Put one next to a nuclear dump, I would say it would become a much bigger issue. That is why a lot of us in the NW are concerned with the idiot response to the Hanford debacle, it will soon start leaking into both groundwater and the Columbia river, and this stuff is really nasty.
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  • Posted by $ sjatkins 8 years, 3 months ago
    It is not at all clear that there is any particular danger to that dump from this fire. Underground burns are very common, especially near coal seams.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree. I have watched the Hanford debacle for 20 years now, and both parties and politicos have been to blame. We have a complete inability to do what is needed, and important, over the BS stuff that has no meaning. They have wasted huge amounts of money and effort on issues like farmers cow poop and a fishing pond, yet they cannot address the real things. Just more proof of the incompetency of government.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Both are nuclear and both important.. but Hanaford has a plan in place ...and has for sometime. Unfunded and unimplemented. basically I recall a huge ditch to bedrock then building an impervious wall...follwed by removing the soil in the middle along with the leakage..

    But some would rather rattle a dice cup and pretend it's the same as removing a shovelful of dirt. What is the answer to the underground burn? I really don't know. White Sea? It is like the offshore oil well head inspections in the Gulf. Never happen.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There is a garbage dump that has started an exothermic reaction, either from incompatable waste or just heat from organic decay. My manuer pile does the same thing, composting on a huge scale with poisoned compost as a result. It will eat its way through and organics, and if it reaches the waste,then you start cooking off any liquids, and the heat may cause release of radioactives to the air. Note the physical issues already being seen in people living nearby. I thought this was a good illustration of just how incompent these guys are, and if this is their level of reaction, just shows how much we have to worry about, as if we don't have enough...
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    While I agree, it is the total lack of any scientific approach to any issue that is cause for concern.The Columbia River issue is something that is going to cause a lot of problems when it gets there and then it will be battle stations knee jerk actions, which will just take more rights away from us as they "need to address the issue". The burn issue is important because they may well have a big nuclear mess, which of course we will have to pay for.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    the waste at hanaford in washington state is seeping to the Columbia River still and they have refused to act.

    The subs in the White Sea are still there..with reactors intact.

    ho hum ....yesterdays news.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 3 months ago
    I am intrigued and confused about what's going on. Is the burn unrelated to the nuclear waste but in danger of encroaching on it? Is the burn an actual "burn" fueled by oxygen? Where is the oxygen coming from? The science of this would be very interesting.
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