There are a number of androgyns in my occasional social circle. I tend to get along with them well. "Geek Girls" I get along with superbly - they use the feminine pronoun, but don't subscribe to the social hoopla. It is a relief to be around them, actually...I don't have to talk about my dogs in order to have a topic of conversation (though dogs are certainly sometimes discussed). I can just dive into Minoan archetypes or spinning or genetics; as in the Gulch, I have to be careful what topic to open since there is a Lot of Expertise floating around.

The Individual is the important part!

Jan

Lol. Nice.

I agree completely. Also some millennials don't clearly identify with one gender and have to tell you which pronoun they use. It's sounds odd to me as a Gen-Xer, but I think this blurring of gender is one more thing that will make millennials put individuals ahead of group identity, reducing the importance of this issue.

I was reflecting on the articles I have read that indicate that millennials, as a generation (irrespective of gender) place 'getting ahead at work' at a lower priority than prior generations. This is a bottom-up phenomenon, and not an imposed regulation.

It is interesting to observe.

Jan

"this is going to be resolved by men putting paid work at a lower priority."
I wish people did not perceive a need for a resolution. It's just what people in various demographic groups chose to do with their lives.

Analysis of the pay gap supports your argument. This could be solved by women choosing to put paid work at a higher priority, but my observations suggest the opposite: this is going to be resolved by men putting paid work at a lower priority.

Jan

Ha! jpellone. Fun joke.

The reasonable answer to your question is: Why does someone have to carry 3 packs of shingles up a ladder at one time? How about one pack of shingles, and make 3 trips? While women do not have the strength per se of men, we do have greater endurance, so we should take advantage of that.

Joke: Why did the man want to reincarnate as a spider?

Jan

I maintain if women on the average had the same abiity to do physical tasks like carrying shingles up a ladder as men, it would not affect the so-called pay gap. I believe the pay gap is caused by more women choosing not to focus on paid work. The whole issue of what one group does vs another is moot thought. All that matters is what you do. I'm 185lbs, not buff, and would not be well suited to carrying shingles. It does not help me that men as a group are more likely to be tall and muscular.

Jan I agree. But women on average have a smaller frame and cannot physically do many jobs that men do. Can they carry three packs of shingles up a ladder??? Some can but most can't. Think about this, a 185 pound man is going to look much different than a 185 pound woman. Most of the men will look buff but the women will be fat.

Now a joke:
Why are women's hands so small? To make the guy look bigger!

I will try him, and let you know. . fascinating! -- j

p.s. just sent him a note. . we'll see!
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DamifIno.
If anyone can help you try, jas2669@aol.com. His name is Jay. Be sure to tell him you're a friend of Herb's so he doesn't jump all over you. His name is Jay and he has more Revolutionary (copyrighted name) Publishing stuff than anyone.

has the Hendrix book been scanned, or is one available
these days? -- j
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Hendrix yes. Walsh no. Stopped publishing 1995. Moved from San Diego to Florida.

quite a reversal, hey Pop? . sounds fascinating. . have one
on Jimi Hendrix? . how about Joe Walsh? -- j
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We did unauthorized biographies of rock stars, sports stars, etc. A rock band sued us because we hadn't obtained authorization from them. The judge in Federal court said we were protected by the 1st amendment, just like book or magazine publishers. Which was the first time that comic books were given the same status as books in the publishing business.
Note: I used "we" because I actually worked for him, not the other way around.

fascinating! . went electronic or something? -- j
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Interesting.
I just finished writing a biography in graphic form. It'll be out by this summer. Ir's called "No Barriers" and is the story of my son who revolutionized the comic book business.

and I'm O negative! . oh, well. . still kickin.' . new
avocations to go with the territory -- editing the 5th
book, one for the election ... about a certain lawyer
who met with an untimely demise. -- j
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Well...we have at least one thing in common physically. No vampire would be interested in sucking our blood.

oh, yes! . you got a great one, too ! . at one point, I was
taking too much lasix, along with prednisone and warfarin,
and K called an ambulance when I fell. . crawled to the
couch. . when I stood up, my blood pressure dropped
to 65/40. . it was a little hard, with emphysema, to
keep the O2 flowing to the brain! -- j
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In my wife's long and varied career, she was many things and for a while, she was a CNA (Certified Nurse's Assistant) and she learned lots of MD stuff and can take better care of me than I can. Usually I don't need much help except when I do something stupid and fall.

K was a medical secretary and helper for 28-plus years,
so she can really help. . but she is only 61. -- j
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Overall, I agree: that is what happened. But if you look way back at Bronze Age societies, they run the spectrum from cultures where women play a major role (Crete) to cultures where women live in virtually a separate society than men and are regarded as possessions of their fathers, who then transfer that ownership to their husbands (Greece).

So, even before the Industrial Revolution there were a lot of different ways for society to deal with men and women. But. By the end of the Bronze Age, all of the cultures had pretty much relegated women to a secondary status. This, as you say, lasted until the Industrial Revolution.

I do not have an answer for this, but I am interested in it and am looking for information.

Jan

Mine too (I think).
but we're from a different kind of generations.

Jan, observe that, for thousands of years, there was no industrial revolution. Women only made progress after the industrial revolution eliminated the need for muscle. Notice also that the rights of man coincided with the industrial revolution. We could have had an industrial revolution in Herons's time, but the idea of the rights of man didn't exist, and that opportunity was stillborn. Several things needed to be in place for women to make progress.