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Dems back bigger Social Security increases

Posted by mminnick 10 years, 1 month ago to Politics
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Trying to buy the 65+ vote? Couldn't scare enough with their usual propaganda so their buying them now? typical Democrat.
SOURCE URL: http://blogs.marketwatch.com/encore/2014/03/14/dems-back-bigger-social-security-increases/

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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 10 years, 1 month ago
    Divide and conquer, buying votes... modus operandi... People vote their pocket books. As long as the government obscures the cost by printing money the ponzi scheme goes on. When the piper demands payment and those footing the bill (those being fleeced) outnumber those being bought, there will be a reckoning.
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 10 years, 1 month ago
    Tea Party people overwhelmingly believe that Social Security is a good system that works.
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    • Posted by $ stargeezer 10 years, 1 month ago
      Not anybody in our group. I get SS, because I paid into it and according to their rules, I get what I was promised, but there are a lot of people who don't hardly have enough meet their needs today, that 10 years ago were doing OK. A part of the change was a effort to make the accounting better which really messed up COLA adjustments. My SS has not gone up 5% in 5 years. Gas has gone up 50-60%, food cost have doubled on things we buy a lot - basic things like milk and bread, utilities have gone 50% in my area (mostly from taxes), but my SS COLA adjustment was not even 1% this year.

      I doubt that you could find one person who gets SS who thinks it's a great thing, but a lot of us know that to many people are depending on it to live. That's not a good thing at all.

      I believe that people need to go back to planning their own retirement (a word that didn't exist until SS came along), and get gov out of their lives.
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    • Posted by khalling 10 years, 1 month ago
      Where do you get that? The only place I've seen that are from articles that are clearly progressive and critical of the tea party. It is true that a majority of the membership is receiving SS. It is true that they paid into the system. It is not true they think it's well managed. It is not true that they don't consider private alternatives. It is not a major tea party issue compared to others. For instace if there were a flat tax rate of 15% that 's more to invest in one's retirement. If SS weren' t taxed (double taxation) that would be more for the retiree- so increases would be un necessary. I don't think you' ve ever been to a rally. Have you? Because no one at rallies I' ve attended think SS and MC are systems that work well
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      • Posted by Bobhummel 10 years, 1 month ago
        There were a few municipalities that received an exemption from mandatory FICA payroll "contributions" to the U S treasury many decades ago. The money was managed locally in the private sector. It is said, they are receiving 3 to 4 times the amount of what their SS distribution would be from the non FICA plan. I think the
        Towns were in Texas. No big surprise there.
        www.forbes.com/.../how-three-texas-count......
        May 12, 2011
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      • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 10 years, 1 month ago

        Tea Party people who get benefits are more in favor of them than those who do not. Overwhelmingly, all Tea Party members polled support Social Security and Medicare. These are just mainstream people who are vaguely unhappy and not intellectually sophisticated.

        PROGRAMS LIKE SOCIAL SECURITY, MEDICARE WORTH IT?
        All Tea Party
        Yes 62%
        No 33

        PROGRAMS LIKE SOCIAL SECURITY, MEDICARE WORTH IT?
        (among Tea Party supporters who receive HH Medicare or Soc.)
        Yes 72%
        No 22%
        From "What is the Tea Party" here in The Gulch.
        http://www.galtsgulchonline.com/posts/35...

        You can denigrate the poll as "progressive" because it comes from the New York Times and CBS News, but the numbers are what they are. You can have good stories about your own friends in your own Tea Party group, but the plural of anecdote is not data.

        khalling provided the link to the poll
        http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/poll_t...
        The number of samples was significant: 1580 persons. You only need about 1000 to be 95% confident plus or minus 3%, so this poll must be accepted, unless you can invalidate it on other grounds.
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        • Posted by khalling 10 years, 1 month ago
          People who say they identify with the tea party in taking a poll are not the same thing as a
          taking a poll of people who are members of a tea party. It's why they poll " registered" democrats and republicans. Please consider attending a rally and see for yourself how tea partiers think regarding SS. The poll was mostly people who identified, knew about the tea party from watching TV etc. They didn't even get right the reason the grass roots movenent began. Ask people at the rallies. They know the history. Scores on this site are tea party members. They will tell you you have incorrect information.
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        • Posted by $ stargeezer 10 years, 1 month ago
          how many NYers did they call in order to find 1500 who Tea Party members? You're right, I don't trust that poll. There was no effort to verify that the people called were TP members, only assume they were what they said. I could claim to be a Dem and be pro life - but that would not make it true.
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