Carson and Trump threaten to leave GOP
Posted by RickBulow1974 8 years, 5 months ago to Politics
Hmm. Interesting
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Jan
So, I decided on the Carson Rally. Got tickets (free). Duh. Carson starts at six pm, BLM at 5 pm. But paper says to start the Secret Service screening at 4 pm. Hmmmm. dilemma. What if I got through the SS screening say at 5:30 and could hit both. Ten minutes at the BLM is all about all I could stomach anyway. I watch the line at the other building carefully, if it got real long, I would shine on the BLM and just go. So, I hung out in the corridor outside of the BLM waiting for them to open doors at 5 pm.
I get talking with a rancher out in the open area while waiting. He is from Eureka County. We slowly test each others politics and soon there is an avalanche of tirade against the feds and this whole sage grouse trojan horse thing. And then he and I start noticing these obvious sore thumb characters filling up the open area and hovering in front of the yet to open BLM exhibit area. Secret Service. And there is one of them carefully, quietly circling us listening to our chatter. His ear is wired in with a coil to their internal chatter and buzz and analysis of the situation. And then a bunch of them are clustered in front of the men's room entrance. Our little hovering angel gets between us and the group at the men's room entrance. And Carson appears out of the men's room.
They pass in front of us and I stare eye to eye with Carson. He smiles, I smile. It turns out, and I had been privy to this possibility, that he was going to be brought over to the BLM dog and pony to be shown the posters and the little propaganda government produced video. That means he was brought outside of the SS screened safety zone in the Conference Center. Explains everything.
So, over to the Conference Center, I go and go through the SS screening process. Way more lax than at the airports. I did leave my leatherman at home this time after almost losing it at the Reno Federal District Court Building last month. This guy at this table says "Hey, you want free stuff?" I take a look and say naw, I don't need campaign shit, but use this to ask, is there anybody I can talk to, or is there a forum of staff that I could give a letter to get to Dr Carson? He points directly to the Carson Nevada campaign Director. I introduce myself and the topic at hand and he says they would love to have the letter, here is my card, and e-mail and please send it. That is now done, I am sure I will never hear anything back.
But, it also turns out that, Carson, after visiting the BLM dog and pony, was sequestered with mining people for 40 minutes before going on stage.
Over and all, though Carson gave a very good speech. He right off the bat brought up the sage grouse thing. He said the usual platitudes about, yes, we care about the environment and all that, but we have to do it with common sense. It must be reasonable. And when it comes to jobs and economy relative to unlisted species, he said he would know what he would do. Ton of applause, for whatever it was that he said. Over and all, he gave a very good political speech, very well received by over 800 Elkoans, with mostly generic platitudes, of course, but at the same time - I never knew he was such a damn good stand-up comedian! What a sense of humor!
You have interesting figures, well presented, but you miss my point. In medicine, in order for a doctor to know 'what to do about your back pain' he first has to know 'what a normal back looks like'. We cannot know 'what the world would look like if Korea, Vietnam, and Gulf wars had not existed. Superficially, it would appear that 100,000 lives would not have been lost by the US, but if that resulted in a world where the US homeland had been bombed by aggressive enemies, then more lives than that might have been lost.
This discussion began, not with war, but with my countering your assertion that no-vote was the best choice 'because the US is currently a mess'. My counter is that we do not know if the US would be in better or worse shape if people had chosen to not vote instead of choosing to vote for the best candidate available. There can be no baseline on this (unless...string theory) because the world of no-vote does not exist for comparison.
Jan
Korean War Base line is zero.
Battle Deaths 33,741
Other Deaths in theater 2,827
Total 36,568
Administration entering the conflict Truman D.
Score is 33,568 D to zero R.
Vietnam War
US Battle Deaths, 47.410
Other deaths in theater 10,789
Total 58,199
Administration entering the war Johnson D.
Score 81,767
Gulf War
Battle Deaths 147
Other In theater 342
Total 489
Administration starting Bush R
Score 81,677 D to 489 R
1. Other conflicts are statistically insignificant.
2. The follow on wars were Bush II Iraq concluded by Obama and Afghanistan/Iran Obama.
Two conclusions can be drawn leaving out WWI and WWI which were both wars started and conducted by Wilson D and Roosevelt D.
One the number of deaths in conflicts or was is dropping dramatically.
Two Since WWII the ratio of of US Service personnel killed in wars begun with Democrat Administration is 167 to 1 however if Nixon is given credit for US service personnel deaths then it drops to 18-1 D to R.
Conclusion which is of value mostly to US combat personnel don't go to war with a Democrat in the White House.
the final comment is of no importance to non-combatants and civilians. It is of primary importance to combat troops. Adding in the complete figures does not change the outcome.
That was a base line that you claim doesn't or can't exist. The disparity in Korea and Vietnam had to do with micro management by unqualified civilians on the one hand and sufficient guidance on the other. That thankfully seems to have changed to a greater extent but still exists. With the joining of the two formerly separate parties that base line derivative concludes with withdrawal form Afghanistan
That was an easy example. If you add in I shall do the same back to mmmm beginning of civil war? That will get you some R figures 140,000 vs 350,000 additonal for the D column. You want to try balanced budget with a surplus.
Don't it's a rigged question and I don't mind taking advantage of the fact it was rigged by the Democrats with the collusion of the Republicans.
Better you go back to Imagining your other world
For the rest of us it's other countries or other political parties.or other budgets A is A. the rest is just ....imagination. i wouldn't recommend you try for a CPA degree.
There is no baseline. There is no other world in which people behaved differently that allows us to isolate the variables.
Jan
I like it.
You don't because you found it easier to wait and wait and wait for that imaginary dude or dudette on a white horse to charge in and save the day. You waited for marginally better while things got measurably worse.thanks to your help.
You 'think' but you do not 'know' because you use think as the way out of accepting responsibility.. Think in that context is commonly known as a cop out. Plato invented it. But are you one of the chosen anointed few that Plato stated were exempt from the sin of thinking they could think.
No baseline? Or you didn't bother to look. Does your 'imagination allow you to do that?
So where is this 'better person.' Not on any list of left wing approved candidates I have seen. Just a steady drift to the left.
You can't imagine what things would look like? You don't have much of an imagination. You can keep your imagination. It serves no useful purpose in the real world. It's too one sided but it is good for evading reality - and responsibility.
Prove to me there is no baseline...Careful it's a trick question. It uses facts not imagination.
Clamato and real beer is a good mix. Everything a growing boy needs. Just like bichi burgers and bichi dogs? Halling's you can explain that when you stop laughing. Whee Halling lives they eat Baja Dogs..in Sonora we're more civilizado and health conscious.
So to use your metaphor, we have to choose Scylla or Charybdis OR we get Hillary.
If we are going to get Hillary, I would rather Sanders and get this whole nonsense thing over so our country can be rebuilt the right way
My answer is 'to vote for the best person who I think has a chance of winning'. You have asked me before, "how's that workin' out, last 50 years or so?" The answer to that is "There is no way to knowing. There is no baseline to which we can compare."
We cannot know what things would look like if people had taken your advice and 'not voted' instead of voting for people who were marginally better. I think that we would be in worse shape; you think that we would be in better shape.
We are going to have to differ here. I am still able to imagine making a positive difference by voting a better person into office.
Jan
I'd make single malt, but don't have the patience to wait 12 years to improve my recipe. (Of course, I would only do so in a legal jurisdiction like the Gulch;^)
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